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So you are lying to your potential customers telling them something is free?Yes, thats my point.
You have to buy the system to avail of the monitoring.
The price of the monitoring plus installation and equipment is included in the deal.
Your welcome. However reading that your offer of something being free when you are really charging the customer, and openly admitting it on a public forum is not the type of advertising I would want.Thanks for the free advertisement tho
If I offer someone something for free I am not hiding the charge by including it in the price of something else.I would consider not having wire free inertia on a hybrid system a limitation.
Not agree?
I have already agreed it is. If wireless inertias are required I use other solutions.
But you can't have app or remote access without signing up for subscriptions and paying for each app.Its a add on to the system. The system is not sold with the modules fitted.
Like Astec and the DV and D systems.
Do you not consider that a limitation?Unlimited is unlimited.
No extra fees.
Everything in one package.But in reality it is limited to the bandwidth your system is going to use. It's not like you can use the connection to go downloading everything and texting and ringing everyone.0 -
So you are lying to your potential customers telling them something is free?
Your welcome. However reading that your offer of something being free when you are really charging the customer, and openly admitting it on a public forum is not the type of advertising I would want.
If I offer someone something for free I am not hiding the charge by including it in the price of something else.
Shop around would be my advice.
Its a great price for what is includedI have already agreed it is. If wireless inertias are required I use other solutions.
But if wire free is not used now and later down the road it becomes a requirement is that not a problem since as you say:I think not having Siemens wireless inertia's is a draw back.
But you can't have app or remote access without signing up for subscriptions and paying for each app.
Do you not consider that a limitation?
You really are just repeating yourself now.Of course everyone wants free, I know some people won't see the benefit but others will.0 -
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Shop around would be my advice.
Its a great price for what is included
Shopping would be always be my advice also especially if your installer is misleading you with advertising like that.
I thought you were well up on products and options available??But if wire free is not used now and later down the road it becomes a requirement is that not a problem since as you say:
There are numerous solutions to this if required. Any good installer would be able to offer numerous options to suit here.
Its a world sim used for the alarm.
Yes I know , that is not going to affect the little bandwidth that's going to be used. In fact with roaming charges dropping and becoming obsolete this will be even less relevant.0 -
Shopping would be always be my advice also especially if your installer is misleading you with advertising like that.
If the price is rightI thought you were well up on products and options available??
There are numerous solutions to this if required. Any good installer would be able to offer numerous options to suit here.
Yes there are but who wants to take these routes when most manufactures produce there own devices for the system they sell.
A true hybrid system should have a full suite of wire free devices.Yes I know , that is not going to affect the little bandwidth that's going to be used. In fact with roaming charges dropping and becoming obsolete this will be even less relevant.
Its a world sim, it picks the strongest network depending on the different networks available.0 -
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If the customer is happy with that then that's up to them. I find when choosing a security provider trust is a major factor.If the price is right
I would never trust someone who I believe is misleading me.
There is no manufacturer that can supply a wireless device to suit every ones needs. As a professional installer you must agree with that.Yes there are but who wants to take these routes when most manufactures produce there own devices for the system they sell.
A true hybrid system should have a full suite of wire free devices.
That's why it's best that good installers don't limit or allign themselves to one manufacturer.
You don't walk into Harvey Normans and see one make of TV or compter.
What's that got to do with whether it's limited or unlimited. Most sims in a static position will rarely switch networks anyway.Its a world sim, it picks the strongest network depending on the different networks available.
Again with roaming charges becoming obsolete soon every sim will do this.0 -
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If the customer is happy with that then that's up to them. I find when choosing a security provider trust is a major factor.
I would never trust someone who I believe is misleading me.
Trust will never be an issue with me here either way
I would not call it misleading as they are not paying for the full package
Its a great price for what is included, most people are happy with that.There is no manufacturer that can supply a wireless device to suit every ones needs. As a professional installer you must agree with that.
That's why it's best that good installers don't limit or allign themselves to one manufacturer.
You don't walk into Harvey Normans and see one make of TV or compter.
Every day is a learning day in this business, always pays to have the ability to install systems used in todays market.What's that got to do with whether it's limited or unlimited. Most sims in a static position will rarely switch networks anyway.
Again with roaming charges becoming obsolete soon every sim will do this.
A world sim will switch network depending on which provider has the best signal.
It may stay at a certain network for weeks and then detect a problem and switch to the strongest available.
A ready to go sim will not do this as it is tied to that service provider.
Thats the beauty of them.
My reference to unlimited in terms of the HKC GSM-SC is if you have it set up you would have unlimited voice, text and data all for the €5.
Granny has an old nokia, she can have voice.
Smyth does not like technology but can use text.
Mr Smyth has a smart phone and wants the APP. All for the €5
My recommendation if subscribed to this service would be to have the multiple paths. It is still going to cost the €5 with the single path. Of course if you want the APP then €7.99 is the charge per phone for this.0 -
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Trust will never be an issue with me here either way
I would not call it misleading as they are not paying for the full package
Its a great price for what is included, most people are happy with that.
Each to their own. But if someone told me something was free and then disclosed I was actually paying for it in the price I would be unlikely to trust them.A world sim will switch network depending on which provider has the best signal.
It may stay at a certain network for weeks and then detect a problem and switch to the strongest available.
A ready to go sim will not do this as it is tied to that service provider.
Thats the beauty of them.There are some home networks that will roam locally. You may need to do some more research here regarding this.My reference to unlimited in terms of the HKC GSM-SC is if you have it set up you would have unlimited voice, text and data all for the €5.Again this is still really limited to how much bandwidth the alarm is physically going to use.
You mean €5 per month on top of €7.99 for anyone who needs the app.....Granny has an old nokia, she can have voice.
Smyth does not like technology but can use text.
Mr Smyth has a smart phone and wants the APP. All for the €5
And what is you recommdation if a customer wants free IP access with free push notifications and free email alerts and does not want to pay a monthly subscription??My recommendation if subscribed to this service would be to have the multiple paths. It is still going to cost the €5 with the single path. Of course if you want the APP then €7.99 is the charge per phone for this.0 -
Trust will never be an issue with me here either way
I would not call it misleading as they are not paying for the full package
Its a great price for what is included, most people are happy with that.
Each to their own. But if someone told me something was free and then disclosed I was actually paying for it in the price I would be unlikely to trust them.A world sim will switch network depending on which provider has the best signal.
It may stay at a certain network for weeks and then detect a problem and switch to the strongest available.
A ready to go sim will not do this as it is tied to that service provider.
Thats the beauty of them.There are some home networks that will roam locally. You may need to do some more research here regarding this.My reference to unlimited in terms of the HKC GSM-SC is if you have it set up you would have unlimited voice, text and data all for the €5.Again this is still really limited to how much bandwidth the alarm is physically going to use.
You mean €5 per month on top of €7.99 for anyone who needs the app.....
And what is you recommdation if a customer wants free IP access with free push notifications and free email alerts and does not want to pay a monthly subscription??
I suppose it is, hate to see you in the sales so :cool:
Yep €5 per Month is great value.
Risco do free.. If you don't want the option of GPRS.
Thought we already covered this.It wasn't that long ago you were playing down the risks of jammers, cables being cut etc saying domestic applications are not that high a risk.
Can you either back this statement up or retract it???0 -
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