Luis Suarez - Mod Note Post #1, #585 and #602

RayCon

Suarez is hoping to get hounded out of England and orchestrate an unlikely move Germany. Apparently he has a hankering for a shoulder of Lahm

melon_collie

Maybe luiz thought chiellini had a chip on his shoulder? Just a thought

Ranchu

I wouldn't be arsed defending him if I was a Liverpool fan. He won't play for them again.

recyclops

Knex. wrote: »

You can't bloody compare that. Its hilarious that you would even try.

Suarez gone done wrong. Uh Oh.

This whole, you wouldn't bite your work colleague crap his ridiculous.

No, no I bloody wouldn't. Nor would I nutmeg him and shout Olé when leaving at 5 o clock, or tell him he's the son of a whore just so he loses his composure and I can skip in front of him in the lunch queue.

Jaysus.

Suarez wouldnt try drive a bus or teach his colleagues coastal erosion

but surely its agreed in any bloody profession you wouldnt bite anyone.

ben.schlomo wrote: »

And Suarez will be rightly punished for this. Wheres the issue.

what would be the right punishment in your opinion?

Vito Corleone

The comments comparing it to other working environments are just retarded tbh.

ben.schlomo

recyclops wrote: »

Suarez would try drive a bus or teach his colleagues coastal erosion

but surely its agreed in any bloody profession you wouldnt bite anyone.



what would be the right punishment in your opinion?

An international ban as thats the arena he was playing in and some form of counselling/therapy/help to deal with the issue, not that i think it would work as hes already had that help at Liverpool.

CrazySka

recyclops wrote: »

what would be the right punishment in your opinion?

Traditional punishments clearly haven't worked so at this stage I would suggest that he is made to fight a badger to the death in a small locked room.......

Will I Amnt

Knex. wrote: »

You can't bloody compare that. Its hilarious that you would even try.

Suarez gone done wrong. Uh Oh.

This whole, you wouldn't bite your work colleague crap his ridiculous.

No, no I bloody wouldn't. Nor would I nutmeg him and shout Olé when leaving at 5 o clock, or tell him he's the son of a whore just so he loses his composure and I can skip in front of him in the lunch queue.

Jaysus.

You wouldn't dish out parking tickets in a swimming pool but if a lifeguard or traffic warden assault someone on the job they can expect the same result

Knex*

Players, managers, and everyone involved in Sport get away with all but murder (and even that in some cases, *looks at Ray Lewis*), when they are amongst the best in their class.

This is not a normal profession. Morals go out the fucking window when you look at who's running it. From FIFA to Uefa, to the owners of Clubs.

We as fans make excuses for our own all the bloody time. If they're good. If not, we make a big show of getting rid of them as they're "tarnishing the name of our great Club and the values we uphold".

Suarez deserves whatever is coming to him, but as a Liverpool fan, I don't want that ban affecting Club football. However, if it was Aguero who did it, I absolutely would.

I have no problem admitting this, yet seemingly many on here, despite driving these arguments, do.

brevity

You cannot compare football to another job. It's a sport.

Knex*

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You wouldn't dish out parking tickets in a swimming pool but if a lifeguard or traffic warden assault someone on the job they can expect the same result

While I agree, neither are contact Sports that regularly evoke such emotion as expected of any game, from Basketball to Hurling.

Sport makes no sense. Its tribalistic to its very core. Even look at the heated arguments people get into on here, simply because one person from Ireland likes United and the other Liverpool.

When written down it makes absolutely zero sense.

You don't get that with traffic wardens and lifeguards.

Although my beach is better than yours. BETTER THAN YOOOOOOOOOUURRS. Etc, etc.
(Sorry, a little side tracked. Point still remains)

Omackeral

Before UFC was properly regulated, it was considered barbaric and primitive yet still had a 'No Biting' rule. So even in that world, it was considered scummy.

Zico

brevity wrote: »

You cannot compare football to another job. It's a sport.

If they're professional then it's a job.

MacBizzle

GavRedKing wrote: »

Greatest player in the EPL and probably the only player that can match Messi and Ronaldo on their day but going back to the Ivanovic incident I was hoping that Ivanovic would have turned around and kicked him up and down Anfield, what made it worse is he went on to score an equaliser in stoppage time.

That's what made if better :pac:

quarryman

I can't understand how people (presumably Liverpool fans) are claiming it should just be an international ban...

He assaulted another player on a football pitch, he should be removed from the sport.

What is the reasoning to the contrary?

"Don't worry guys who only does it at an international level. We just need to protect THOSE players. " Well we know that's not true.

ROCKMAN

Just a thought but it could effect FIFA's way of thinking when handing out a punishment and the type of ban they might impose ,

Can FIFA take the chance /risk that he does not do it again at club level (wherever that might be ) while his serving an international ban.

cournioni

Agueroooo wrote: »

nobody denies that.

but these comparisons are ridiculous on so many levels.

Agreed to a certain extent, but when there is so little precedent for biting in the game you need something to compare to it. Personally I'd be comparing it to how boxing dealt with Mike Tyson.

jmayo

ben.schlomo wrote: »

The point is that it happens and as such it is part of sport, whether right or wrong, and im not saying its right, my point is just thats its not the same as any other job.

Since when is biting considered a part of sport ?
There have been the odd instance in rugby where someone bit someones ear, and a couple of incidents in ice hockey AFAIK.
And oh yeah mike tyson decided to take a chunk off Evander Holyfield's ear.
And who would consider iron mike to be normal.

But trying to say biting is a part of sport is bullsh**.

This sh** that somehow competing in sport gives someone and excuse to act the complete ar**wipe is not on and people like you trotting it out as some form of mitigating factor is even worse.

Sure in most contact sports you can kick, pull, drag, push, shove your opponent (or even your teammate), but you can expect to be penalised if it is deemed to be foul play.

I don't think any contact sport have it in the rules that punching, gouging, headbutting, elbowing in the head, stamping, ball (the groin kind) grabbing and biting are allowed.
They are penalised and usually with severity.

That type of stuff can be deemed assault and illegal if done in public, the only thing sport adds is the fact one can more than likely get away with not been charged in a court of law.
But even then some assults in sport have been deemed serious enough for the person to be charged in a court.

Maximus Alexander

Knex. wrote: »

We as fans make excuses for our own all the bloody time. If they're good. If not, we make a big show of getting rid of them as they're "tarnishing the name of our great Club and the values we uphold".

Yeah but we really shouldn't, that's the thing. People get too deep into the game and almost deify these people to the point that they can do no wrong because there's a camera pointed at them, they've the right colour shirt on, and they're good a kicking the pigskin around.

If you step back for a minute though and take a look at what's actually going on, there's two men out there on the world stage, doing their jobs and one of them has just bit the other one. In front of hundreds of millions of people, many of whom are kids who look up to him.

It's not part of the game, it's not necessary and it's not acceptable. It's mental, shitty behaviour and I don't know why anyone would defend it, apart from through misguided partisanship.

And yes, I'd say the same about deliberate elbows to the head, or intentional career ending tackles. None of it has any place in the game. At least with them there is a bit of a gray area because they are things that can happen by accident in the normal flow of the game, they are part and parcel of the risks associated with playing. But still, if you do them intentionally, then too right you should be ostracized and fucked out of the sport.

Biting though? There's no excuse for it. It's never going to happen by accident, it has about as much of a relationship with football as it has with being a fireman, and it should be just as ridiculous and unacceptable when it happens.

Now that said, I wouldn't even agree with a lifetime ban. It needs to be taken seriously though and it's the third time he's done it, so the punishment has to be severe.

I'm not going to say any more on the topic because I don't really see any room to look at this through another lens, it is what it is.

Slicemeister

Can't see how it's any worse than Zizou's headbutt. Why is it Italian defenders that are victimised? ;-)

MacBizzle

quarryman wrote: »

I can't understand how people (presumably Liverpool fans) are claiming it should just be an international ban...

He assaulted another player on a football pitch, he should be removed from the sport.

What is the reasoning to the contrary?

"Don't worry guys who only does it at an international level. We just need to protect THIS players. " Well we know that's not true.

Compare this incident to incidents which led to bans in the past and there's no grounds for Suarez being banned for life. Mauro Tassotti elbowed someone off the ball, breaking his nose and causing him to lose a pint of blood, and guess what the ban was? Eight international matches. If that's the level of violent conduct that warrants an eight match ban then Suarez should be getting less than eight matches.

Leftist

Slicemeister wrote: »

Can't see how it's any worse than Zizou's headbutt. Why is it Italian defenders that are victimised? ;-)

really?

biting an opponent for the third time is no worse than headbutting someone in the chest?

Laois_Man

Reekwind wrote: »

Again: it is just hysteria to describe Suarez as somehow a menace to other players on the pitch. Biting is not a severe case of violent conduct - how many players have had to leave the pitch after a bite, never mind have had their career ended?

Biting is weird and should be punished. But it is not dangerous. Or at least, it's significantly less so than a malicious tackle or actual violent assault. Banning someone for life for this is just hysterical.

Yeah coz it's not as if Suarez regularly partakes in attempting sneaky little leg/ankle breaker tackles that he gets away with is it?

Let me guess......"Any player in the World could be made to look like that through a compilation of clips from a 3 or 4 year period" :rolleyes:

GHOST MGG

He is going to be forced out of liverpool to join borussia munchingleftback

MacBizzle

Leftist wrote: »

really?

biting an opponent for the third time is no worse than headbutting someone in the chest?

Small bit worse.

Laois_Man

MacBizzle wrote: »

If that's the level of violent conduct that warrants an eight match ban then Suarez should be getting less than eight matches.

He did get less than 8 matches.....the first time!

u_c_thesecond

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fair enough but you don't feel the need to tell every third post how bad he is. Hardly any Liverpool fans are condoning what he did, it's just a lot of people are carrying on like he killed someone. We know he deserves a lengthy ban.

Yea tbh most of us are fairly furious at him, wtf is he up to.It makes us look like mugs for standing by him the last 2 years with theracism and biting and now hes at him again. I wouldnt wanna be Rodgers right now!

Reekwind

Laois_Man wrote: »

Yeah coz it's not as if Suarez regularly partakes in attempting sneaky little leg/ankle breaker tackles that he gets away with is it?

Fine, then bring him before FIFA for that. But that's not what's being discussed today, is it?

Knex*

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Yeah but we really shouldn't, that's the thing. People get too deep into the game and almost deify these people to the point that they can do no wrong because there's a camera pointed at them, they've the right colour shirt on, and they're good a kicking the pigskin around.

If you step back for a minute though and take a look at what's actually going on, there's two men out there on the world stage, doing their jobs and one of them has just bit the other one. In front of hundreds of millions of people, many of whom are kids who look up to him.

It's not part of the game, it's not necessary and it's not acceptable. It's mental, shitty behaviour and I don't know why anyone would defend it, apart from through misguided partisanship.

.... [shortened quote]

I've been banging this drum for ages. And while I agree with quite a lot of what you said, sport makes no sense, hence the reactions, emotions, and excuses etc.

While I fully agree Suarez needs a ban, the outrage is too much when you consider stuff of equal, or greater, severity that we let pass by on a regular basis.

I don't see fans overloading boards with posts asking for Abramovich to removed from the game? One example, but honestly, the list is endless.

Success in Sport buys you time and excuses.

Panthro

Knex. wrote: »

I don't see fans overloading boards with posts asking for Abramovich to removed from the game? One example, but honestly, the list is endless.

Success in Sport buys you time and excuses.

But...Roman tends to keep the mouth shut?....wait a second...!!
This guyyyyyyyy!!:pac:

Slicemeister

Leftist wrote: »

really?

biting an opponent for the third time is no worse than headbutting someone in the chest?

Did he bite him three times?? Oh well then.

Nah, regardless of the first two incidents or chomps, they're on a par. It being his third offence there's definitely something amiss. Nothing a can of spam in the changing room beforehand or a spell on the sideline shouldn't fix.

Rayne Wooney

He is a talented individual, up until the bite probably the second best striker at the World Cup but he'll be sent home now, but his actions are just idiotic.

Biting x3 and being found guilty of racism and he's probably only at the halfway point of his career, he needs a break from all football tbh, the fact is if he's banned from international football there is nothing stopping him from biting someone again for Liverpool

Knex*

Panthro wrote: »

But...Roman tends to keep the mouth shut?....wait a second...!!
This guyyyyyyyy!!:pac:

I'm obvious and open with my hypocrisy when it comes to Sport, I'm just pointing out how quite a few aren't.

Because we're all bloody hypocrites, its part of the clause when you buy in first day.

MacBizzle

Laois_Man wrote: »

He did get less than 8 matches.....the first time!

What do you think the punishment should be Laois_Man? Tbh I think 15-20 matches is fair.

I don't get all the outrage here, it's not like he bit my mother.

5live

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Brilliant post from the other thread that I feel needs to the recognition it deserves.



Sums it up really.

Well, good accountants are difficult to find.

I need to change my accountant anyways so, if you could PM me with Garys contact details, i would appreciate it.

Thanks.

Laois_Man

MacBizzle wrote: »

What do you think the punishment should be Laois_Man? Tbh I think 15-20 matches is fair.

I don't get all the outrage here, it's not like he bit my mother.

The electric treatment he got in the film....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1aad92ebf0e703666c7bf864f3b993b3/tumblr_mlnxkf6ern1sp06eqo1_400.gif

Ranchu

No matter what you're job is you should not expect to be bitten at work.

Knex*

Ranchu wrote: »

No matter what you're job is you should not expect to be bitten at work.

Tell that to the folks in Dublin Zoo.

MacBizzle

Knex. wrote: »

Tell that to the folks in Dublin Zoo.

Or the German porn industry....

Ranchu

Knex. wrote: »

Tell that to the folks in Dublin Zoo.

Funnily enough I work work with animals myself and I don't expect to be bitten because I take precautions with anything dangerous.

bucketybuck

quarryman wrote: »

He assaulted another player on a football pitch, he should be removed from the sport.

Again. He assaulted another player yet again.

And make no mistake, it will happen in the future as well. All we can hope is that next time it isn't an elbow to somebodies jaw.

5live

bazza1 wrote: »

Having had a 10 match ban at Liverpool and doing it again, he clearly has no respect for the rules of the game and deserves a large ban from the game. FIFA have put a lot of PR into RESPECT and he flies in the face of this. He is a fantastic player and has let himself, his club and his country down badly. I feel sorry for his club fans, who stood by him after the rascism thing and the Ivanovic bite. They saw their team profit by his 30+ goals and their team having a great season and looking forward to next season! How long will he be missing now?

A great world cup and we are talking about this incident! Uruguay will have to play without their best striker, (possibly), and have their recent good work undermined by a gross act of stupidity! They deseve better.

Wait.

Are you using FIFA as the barometer of morality?

Seriously??

MayoAreMagic

I cant fathom this 'why should Liverpool be punished' attitude. Liverpool aren't being punished, luis suarez is. If he let his club down with his behaviour that is his fault. It isn't fair on an opponent to have to share the pitch with him.

This argument is like an employer of a guy who robs a bank and goes to jail, complaining because he cant work on Monday...

osarusan

I think these posts calling for a worldwide ban are pretty funny.

Citizenpain

Punishment -- Just Muzzle him for future matches - Review annually

Agueroooo

quarryman wrote: »

I can't understand how people (presumably Liverpool fans) are claiming it should just be an international ban...

He assaulted another player on a football pitch, he should be removed from the sport.

What is the reasoning to the contrary?

"Don't worry guys who only does it at an international level. We just need to protect THOSE players. " Well we know that's not true.

Using your logic then why wasn't he banned from the national team when he bit Ivan?

Drexel

osarusan wrote: »

I think these posts calling for a worldwide ban are pretty funny.

I think this whole situation is pretty funny. Im hoping he gets banned just for the siht storm that will follow in here and in the papers. Ive never had so much to read in work before!

ben.schlomo

jonny666 wrote: »

I think this whole situation is pretty funny. Im hoping he gets banned just for the siht storm that will follow in here and in the papers. Ive never had so much to read in work before!

Sh1tstorm will be far funnier if he doesnt get banned, imagine the outrage then.

BMJD

5live wrote: »

Wait.

Are you using FIFA as the barometer of morality?

Seriously??

Sure aren't they bringing jobs and prosperity to the good folk in Qatar?

BMJD

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Sh1tstorm will be far funnier if he doesnt get banned, imagine the outrage then.

And wins the world cup and golden boot :P