Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

kfallon

When are we on the box again?

Underpaid Mike

Latest full back that we are linked to. Know nothing about this guy

Javier Manquillo had been wanted by Arsenal according to reports in Spain. The Premier League club had gone about things the right way and contacted his current club Atletico Madrid, but were told that the young Spanish fullback wasn't going anywhere.

It was reported that Arsenal wanted a loan with a right of purchase, which sounded like it would be an extended trial, and they were told by Atletico that Manquillo would be staying with them. Arsenal demanded a transfer summit to talk face to face about the possible deal but it didn't go much further from there.

Atletico at the same time were trying to use Manquillo in a deal to buy Alberto Moreno from Sevilla. Atletico's offer of Manquillo as part payment showed that their insistence the player wasn't going anywhere didn't ring entirely true. Rather than a flat refusal to let him leave, the Spanish champions appeared to be coming at the situation from a negotiation viewpoint and trying to get the most money possible.

Following the sales of Diego Costa and friends, Atletico will be reluctant to let any further players leave the club but if the money is right then it's clear that deals can be done.

Spanish newspaper AS say on Tuesday that Manquillo is now 'a step away' from joining Liverpool. A move to Merseyside would also be on a loan basis and it's a puzzle as to why Premier League clubs would be so interested in such an idea, but it's being reported anyway.

punk_one82

Cartman78 wrote: »

Meh...I dunno....seems like a lose-lose situation for a club like Liverpool imho...if he comes over and plays sh1t/doesn't fit in etc (eg. Sahin, Moses) it's a waste of everyone's time and money, and if he plays out of his skin, he'll probably want to go back to Real and prove himself over there

If he comes in and plays badly/doesn't fit in it's not really a huge waste of money on our part. Worth a punt for a player of Isco's quality. To say him coming in and playing unreal with the view of going back to Real is a lose scenario is wrong IMO. If he plays out of his skin and wants to go back to Madrid next season so be it, at least we got a great player for a year a la Luis Suarez last season.

Underpaid Mike

Great comparison of Lovern to other quality centre halfs.
His errors per game, tackles and aerial duels would make him and Skrtel an impressive proposition

Hidalgo

Cartman78 wrote: »

Meh...I dunno....seems like a lose-lose situation for a club like Liverpool imho...if he comes over and plays sh1t/doesn't fit in etc (eg. Sahin, Moses) it's a waste of everyone's time and money, and if he plays out of his skin, he'll probably want to go back to Real and prove himself over there

If he comes in, plays well and is a factor in maintaining cl then its definitely worth it.

Vicxas

kfallon wrote: »

When are we on the box again?

Wednesday night I think

Knex*

Dan Agger's aerial duels and % of duels won are far higher than I expected.

Still, defensive errors are too high.

klose

Seems james is indeed joining madrid, think we should be all over isco and not a loan deal either, straight up cash that we have plenty of.

Oranage2

Cartman78 wrote: »

Don't unerstand why a club of our stature are even considering loan signings

None of the other Top 5/6 are doing it so why are we??

Arsenal have loaned a few players in recent times, some did nothing whilst Beniyuom helped big time securing champions league football.

Also can somebody tell me what the Jan Molby clause is?

kfallon

Vicxas wrote: »

Wednesday night I think

Early hours of Thurs morning job, is it?

jem

All this talk of lovren, I would prefer hummells who may be going to manu.

D'Agger

Knex. wrote: »

Dan Agger's aerial duels and % of duels won are far higher than I expected.

Still, defensive errors are too high.

Get off my fúckin case already!!

Underpaid Mike

jem wrote: »

All this talk of lovren, I would prefer hummells who may be going to manu.

To be honest lovern and hummels are both very slow centre halfs
Makes me nervous thinking about either of them playing behind Gerrard against counter attacking teams

gosplan

Oranage2 wrote: »

Also can somebody tell me what the Jan Molby clause is?

Basically the eating of pies is excluded from consideration in any dietary regieme.

0028673

Hummels and Thiago Silva had no defensive errors judging from that sample size.

I would be delighted with Isco we would be stacked with attacking midfielders. The guy is pure quality. he played 53 games for Real Madrid last season so I doubt he is going anywhere even with the arrival of James.

We have more pressing needs in defence and competition for Gerrard but if there is a chance of buying quality like Isco then you don't turn your nose up at it. If he is available we should buy and Real get can stick in a buy back clause like they have with Morata.

tritium

0028673 wrote: »

Hummels and Thiago Silva had no defensive errors judging from that sample size.

I would be delighted with Isco we would be stacked with attacking midfielders. The guy is pure quality. he played 53 games for Real Madrid last season so I doubt he is going anywhere even with the arrival of James.

We have more pressing needs in defence and competition for Gerrard but if there is a chance of buying quality like Isco then you don't turn your nose up at it. If he is available we should buy and Real get can stick in a buy back clause like they have with Morata.

That Morata buy back clause struck me as a bit dumb. Basically Madrid want you to develop their player for them more or less for free. The buy back has a max of +10million but in 5 years that likely to be less than the rate of transfer fee inflation. Surprised anyone would go for it on less than a very top player tbh.

Madrid seem far better than barca at getting value for their players.

GotTheTshirt

kfallon wrote: »

Early hours of Thurs morning job, is it?

Yeah, 12:30 am I think.

klose

tritium wrote: »

That Morata buy back clause struck me as a bit dumb. Basically Madrid want you to develop their player for them more or less for free. The buy back has a max of +10million but in 5 years that likely to be less than the rate of transfer fee inflation. Surprised anyone would go for it on less than a very top player tbh.

Madrid seem far better than barca at getting value for their players.

Moratas clause is only for two season, the 2nd season its a 35mill buy back so id be very surprised if he returns. A decent young striker but id be fairly certain madrid will buy in 1 if not 2 better strikers in that time.

0028673

tritium wrote: »

That Morata buy back clause struck me as a bit dumb. Basically Madrid want you to develop their player for them more or less for free. The buy back has a max of +10million but in 5 years that likely to be less than the rate of transfer fee inflation. Surprised anyone would go for it on less than a very top player tbh.

Madrid seem far better than barca at getting value for their players.

The thing is Madrid hold all the cards. With Morata the fee was €22m which is only slightly above what Sunderland offered us for Borini. Juventus will get one of the best strikers in the World for his age, he will probably bang in the goals for a couple of years and if he does well ( and being Spanish and all) and if Madrid come knocking he will want to go back and Juve will have made a marginal profit in the deal.

The pinnacle for any Spanish player is playing for Barca or Real Madrid, the benefit for the likes of Juve is getting a World Class talent for a few years who can be the difference in winning titles or not.

That is why I would not be opposed to Real Madrid sticking in buy back clause I think it would lower the initial fee, obviously I would prefer if there was no buy back clause but I can't see them being that foolish.

Francie Barrett

Isco on loan? Well, unless there's an option to buy, then this is a complete waste of time. Also, if we're looking at bringing him in, then I think his most effective position is in the AM role. What becomes of Coutinho in that case? We're not spending big money on Markovic to leave him on the bench. Likewise, we for Lallana. With Sturridge's scoring record and with Sterling finishing the season as one of our best players, Rodgers has a serious headache on who starts.

Perhaps I will be shown to be wrong, but the Isco speculation seems like the press putting 2 and 2 together. I know there will be extra games this season, but even with that, we can't turn around to Coutinho and tell him that he'll only be starting about 10 games a season.

8-10

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Isco on loan? Well, unless there's an option to buy, then this is a complete waste of time. Also, if we're looking at bringing him in, then I think his most effective position is in the AM role. What becomes of Coutinho in that case? We're not spending big money on Markovic to leave him on the bench. Likewise, we for Lallana. With Sturridge's scoring record and with Sterling finishing the season as one of our best players, Rodgers has a serious headache on who starts.

I'd be ok with adding Isco to his headache. Better than the headache of who to bring on, Alberto or Aspas, that he had last season. Hopefully we'll be having a lot more games this coming season.

daithijjj

When you see the figures for tv rights money we miss out on so much money, that if we were playing in La Liga for example, would be worth just under 75m per season. Thats why FFP is a myth, it only vaguely applies to ring fenced associations.

Edit, thats 75m per season more than we get currently.

Underpaid Mike

0028673 wrote: »

Hummels and Thiago Silva had no defensive errors judging from that sample size.

I would be delighted with Isco we would be stacked with attacking midfielders. The guy is pure quality. he played 53 games for Real Madrid last season so I doubt he is going anywhere even with the arrival of James.

We have more pressing needs in defence and competition for Gerrard but if there is a chance of buying quality like Isco then you don't turn your nose up at it. If he is available we should buy and Real get can stick in a buy back clause like they have with Morata.

Isco vs Sterling and Coutinho
Not a huge upgrade but would add a LOT of depth to the squad

Underpaid Mike

Really really hope we get this lad. He is yet another jordan ibe but his attitude apparently stinks. Hopefully we can fix that

Liverpool target Zakaria Bakkali is understood to have turned down a possible move to German club Eintracht Frankfurt.
Despite only breaking into the PSV Eindhoven first team last year, the winger has been the subject of transfer speculation all summer, with a host of clubs tracking him.
Brendan Rodgers is believed to have made an enquiry about the teenager earlier this month, but it looked like the Reds would miss out with other club known to have made a firm bid.
That club was Eintracht Frankfurt, but reports in Belgium claim Bakkali is considering all his options before deciding where he will play his football next season.
PSV would like to keep the 18-year-old, who didn't make Belgium's 23-man World Cup squad, but seem prepared to sell if they receive what they feel is a fair price.

http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/Liverpool/Rodgers-could-yet-win-winger-race/X1Y44Z1781578?#sthash.MMHrFjcH.dpuf

Knex*

Squaka is the new Kate Cohen.

How is Sterling's shot accuracy 100%? :pac:

jasonb

Knex. wrote: »

Squaka is the new Kate Cohen.

How is Sterling's shot accuracy 100%? :pac:

I was wondering that, but wasn't confident enough in my knowledge to question it...

J.

Knex*

jasonb wrote: »

I was wondering that, but wasn't confident enough in my knowledge to question it...

J.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not commenting from a basis of fact either :pac:

Just seems far too unlikely to me.

Underpaid Mike

I ran it again just there and it said his shot accuracy is 67%.
Very odd
Glitch in the Matrix......

Bandana boy

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

I ran it again just there and it said his shot accuracy is 67%.
Very odd
Glitch in the Matrix......

Tank
Taaaannnnnnnk

MD1990

Looksl like we are in for Atletico's young RB Manquillo .

Tony Barrett @TonyBarretTimes
As reported in the Spanish media today, Liverpool are in for Atletico Madrid's Javier Manquillo. Hoping to get him on a season long loan.

Seen him a few times for Spain & Atleti. Very attacking RB who looked a very good prospect but is very inexperienced.

punk_one82

MD1990 wrote: »

Looksl like we are in for Atletico's young RB Manquillo .



Seen him a few times for Spain & Atleti. Very attacking RB who looked a very good prospect but is very inexperienced.

Hopefully that's a loan with an option to buy.

El Inho

[quote="Francie Barrett;91383437". What becomes of Coutinho in that case?[/quote]

I have a capable understudy

El Inho

Awkward transfer photo of the year award.

garra

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Isco vs Sterling and Coutinho
Not a huge upgrade but would add a LOT of depth to the squad

How can anyone take these stats seriously when Sterling has a 100% shot accuracy rating and Isco has completed 100% of his passes? Load of cobblers that.

Kirby

daithijjj wrote: »

When you see the figures for tv rights money we miss out on so much money, that if we were playing in La Liga for example, would be worth just under 75m per season. Thats why FFP is a myth, it only vaguely applies to ring fenced associations.

Edit, thats 75m per season more than we get currently.

Not sure how you figure that. Nobody outside madrid and barca makes serious money off tv deals in spain. They have the monopoly and they know it. They take a massive chunk of the available money.

None of the also rans have it nearly as well in spain as the also rans in england. The spanish equivalent of aston villa would be getting a pittance compared to villa are.

delw

So we apparently looking at Isco & Manquillo on loan while we sit on a pile of cash,keeping it for a rainy day are we

Underpaid Mike

delw wrote: »

So we apparently looking at Isco & Manquillo on loan while we sit on a pile of cash,keeping it for a rainy day are we

I think we are saving up to buy Southampton FC.
Save us a fortune in the long term at this rate

Raif Severance

delw wrote: »

So we apparently looking at Isco & Manquillo on loan while we sit on a pile of cash,keeping it for a rainy day are we

Nope.

We're actually buying Southampton.

EDIT: Damn you, Underpaid Mike!

Underpaid Mike

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

We're actually buying Southampton.

EDIT: Damn you, Underpaid Mike!

Haha great minds think alike!


*The fools seldom differ part of that saying obviously doesnt apply to us!

rob316

MD1990 wrote: »

Looksl like we are in for Atletico's young RB Manquillo .



Seen him a few times for Spain & Atleti. Very attacking RB who looked a very good prospect but is very inexperienced.

Anyone over johnson. This kid couldn't be worse.

redbaron_99

delw wrote: »

So we apparently looking at Isco & Manquillo on loan while we sit on a pile of cash,keeping it for a rainy day are we

Was the Suarez paid up front or in installments?

Underpaid Mike

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Was the Suarez paid up front or in installments?

Apparently the bulk of the cash will be up front

AS reports that Liverpool will only receive about £54million of the Suarez fee up front.

mormank

Kirby wrote: »

Not sure how you figure that. Nobody outside madrid and barca makes serious money off tv deals in spain. They have the monopoly and they know it. They take a massive chunk of the available money.

None of the also rans have it nearly as well in spain as the also rans in england. The spanish equivalent of aston villa would be getting a pittance compared to villa are.

It's crazy that they get away with that tbh. It gives them such an advantage over other top European clubs. An unfair one imo.

mormank

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Was the Suarez paid up front or in installments?

I think 'The Suarez' will be paid weekly or monthly until his time at Barca ends.

Knex*

"Will only receive about £54million".

Only.

Jaysus.

mormank

Knex. wrote: »

"Will only receive about £54million".

Only.

Jaysus.

Yup, but judging off previous reports of Barca's transfer dealings who knows when we will be seeing the last 21mill or whatever it is.

rob316

mormank wrote: »

Yup, but judging off previous reports of Barca's transfer dealings who knows when we will be seeing the last 21mill or whatever it is.

Guess is we will never see it we will be offered some fringe player to settle it. We did well to get 54m upfront, real are paying spurs for bale in 20m installments.

Underpaid Mike

mormank wrote: »

Yup, but judging off previous reports of Barca's transfer dealings who knows when we will be seeing the last 21mill or whatever it is.

Ah let them keep the 21m and we will take Pedro and Afellay instead

mormank

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Ah let them keep the 21m and we will take Pedro and Afellay instead

Afellay is 28 now! I couldn't believe it when I looked him up yesterday whilst discussing potential transfers with friends. I'm not sure I would want him anymore. Looks like another career wasted by one of those two big Spanish clubs.

rob316

Koeman, saying no fresh bid from us for Lovren. All the reliable lads are reporting we have had a bid accepted, is Koeman just posturing for the supporters and making it look like they are trying to keep Lovren?

On Lovren I'm not a fan of his conduct forcing the move out of Southampton after only a year there but I can see his point on them having zero ambition. The manager, Shaw, Lambert, Lallana and possibly Schneiderlin will have left.

Lovren, Lallana there stock may never be higher so to secure a move to a prestigious club like Liverpool and play in the CL is something they cant turn down as the opportunity may never present itself again.