Zoe/Leaf Battery Rental Figures, Why are The Irish Obsessed with owning Everything ?

KrustyBurger

Dexter1979 wrote: »

You go somewhere without electricity? Get a granny cable and take the Leaf. Even camp sites have electricity.

If you get one with a 6.6kW AC charger than you should be able to take that anywhere in the country, within reason. I would only need to plan if I were to go abroad. Then charge cards and plugs (France) could be an issue.

It's the time it takes to get there. The 2 places I go to are 160 miles away on opposite ends of the country so I'd have to charge twice for those journeys. Not that that's a big deal. People will say it's another hour onto the journey but what's the rush? It's not for work so I wouldn't really care.

ted1

KrustyBurger wrote: »

It's the time it takes to get there. The 2 places I go to are 160 miles away on opposite ends of the country so I'd have to charge twice for those journeys. Not that that's a big deal. People will say it's another hour onto the journey but what's the rush? It's not for work so I wouldn't really care.

1 hour providing that the charging plugs are not in use or are not out of order or that no one has parked there

Lutecia

ted1 wrote: »

When comparing costs you need to consider the true costs.
In all your figures you forgot to include owners time. That is the extra time required to charge the car on journeys with a distance over 60 miles. Anyone doing 20k a year will more than likely be doing trips like dublin to cork.

My hourly rate is 95 euro an hour if I have to stop off in a service station for 30 mins each way to get a top up. Then the trip is costing an extra 95 euro.

You're right there, but these 30 minutes can be used for something productive.
I eat (most service stations with FCPs are well sorted) , work on my emails and go on ... boards.ie etc. Things I would do at home anyway so not really a waste of time.
And then it brings you the benefits of driving relaxed. A break every hour is really nice for the body. And that you can't make direct €€€ calculation on savings.
It just requires few adjustements in your life but at the end and with some organization, not really a waste of time.

Dexter1979

Lutecia wrote: »

And then it brings you the benefits of driving relaxed. A break every hour is really nice for the body. And that you can't make direct €€€ calculation on savings.
It just requires few adjustements in your life but at the end and with some organization, not really a waste of time.

This is what I would do. I prefer to stop every hour - hour and a half anyway. You arrive at your destination far less tired.

Dexter1979

And I found the Irish brochure for the Renault Zoe. Got the link by asking Renault Ireland on Facebook. The prices of the battery rental are listed in it.

They are as follows:

For each year it's 12500 - 15000 - 17500 - 20000 kilometers

12 months: 99 - 106 - 114 - 122
24 months: 89 - 96 - 104 - 112
36 months: 79 - 86 - 94 - 102

I can't link the brochure but can pm it to anybody who can post URLs

ted1

Dexter1979 wrote: »

This is what I would do. I prefer to stop every hour - hour and a half anyway. You arrive at your destination far less tired.

Sorry but for anybody trying to run a buisness or even conduct buisness but those breaks are unacceptable.

Dexter1979

Good thing then that I don't run or conduct business on the road

EV's don't suit everybody, this is very true. So if it doesn't suit you then don't get one. Or maybe keep a ICE for the business related journeys.

Leasing the battery means all risks associated with owning a battery do not apply.

Why on earth would anyone want to own a battery they know will degrade ? And in the case of the leaf why would anyone want to own a battery they can't even replace ???

Leasing means you pay less interest as 5-6k less will be on the purchase price of the car.

Leasing the battery means you pay the same regardless, people think that the battery lease costs extra, it doesn't because the so called extra per month will be added to the loan it's not something extra at all, why can't people get their head around this whole battery leasing thing ?

In fact if you do your maths right for low mileage drivers it could actually work out cheaper over all than buying the car with the battery.

Another thing to be aware of is each electric car will have a different battery chemistry of some sort so the e golf battery might last longer than the leaf, the Zoe might last longer than them all etc etc, leasing eliminates the risks, the what it's !

Dexter1979

Deleted User wrote: »

Another thing to be aware of is each electric car will have a different battery chemistry of some sort so the e golf battery might last longer than the leaf, the Zoe might last longer than them all etc etc,

I would actually love to know if Renault think it'll outlast the Leaf. I wonder if AC charging only is less harmfull for the battery? They don't seem to be worried about high temperatures on the battery with the Zoe as they were with the Leaf DC charging.

Dexter1979

Dexter1979 wrote: »

I would actually love to know if Renault think it'll outlast the Leaf. I wonder if AC charging only is less harmfull for the battery? They don't seem to be worried about high temperatures on the battery with the Zoe as they were with the Leaf DC charging.

Well, charging at a lower rate is always better. Their is no official data released from NEC for the Leaf cells to know how charging may or may not effect the leaf.

Heat is the greatest enemy and the Leaf's battery is the most sensitive of all to heat.

Zoe's battery may very well last longer and it may not, fast charging Zoe multiple times daily may very well degrade it, and it may not, again there is no data.

This is why leasing eliminates all the risks and what if's. I personally would lease the battery no problem and if I was a 2nd hand buyer I'd be even more keen to lease as again, I wouldn't have to worry about what condition the battery is in, I wouldn't worry about what abuse the previous owner put it through.