How long will Suarez's ban be? Mod warning in OP and post#455

Neeson

10 matches

Muzzling would be a good idea would it not? He could then continue to play but be shamed week after week. That'll learn him.

Oranage2

A tad lenient since over a month of the ban is during the summer, would have liked to see a minimum of 6 months to a year.

I dont get how people can trivialize it, biting would go in a cathagory with spitting, doesnt cause a huge amount of physical damage but biting and spitting are complete scumbag behavior of the highest order and deserve to be punished severly

NoelJ

3 matches

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I'm confused as to what people's problem is really. This will hopefully clear things up a bit :P

Are those of you that are against the ban complaining because:

A) Suarez shouldn't have gotten such a severe ban because what he did wasn't deserving of it.
Suarez shouldn't have gotten such a severe ban because others didn't get similar for repeat offences of violent conduct.
C) Suarez shouldn't have gotten such a severe ban because FIFA don't have the authority to impose such a ban.
D) Suarez should have gotten a severe international ban but not a ban from playing with Liverpool.
E) Other - (Explain)

My main problems are B because of that D. I do think he gets longer bans than others with similar offences such as Zidane. Keane ending someone's career tackle was worse. They only got 3 and 5 game bans. Suarez gets 9 and 4 months. I just can't see the FIFA logic. Also has an international ban ever hindered a club before?

inforfun

People seem to forget this is the 3rd .... third time Suarez took a bite out of someone.

You can compare all you want with things Cantona and and a few other who are mentioned did ... but they did it once. Took their punishment and got on with it.

This guy has just put his teeth in an opponent for the 3rd time in just over 4 years.

The ban is not long enough.
Break the doping rules 3 times and see what happens with your career.

kstand

I still don't understand why FIFA have jurisdiction over the EPL or the CL which is run by EUFA. By all means ban him from international football - but Liverpool pay his wages - why should they suffer for something he has done in a Uruguay shirt? When he bit Ivanovic he was only banned from games that were FA affiliated.

bucketybuck

5 matches

Don't know why people keep mentioning Zidane, didn't he get a lifetime ban for headbutting Matterazzi? I still haven't seen him back on the field for Juventus.

Does anybody here work in a creche? What do they do with bitey toddlers?

bucketybuck

5 matches

kstand wrote: »

I still don't understand why FIFA have jurisdiction over the EPL or the CL which is run by EUFA.

Clearly then you don't even know what FIFA actually are.

JimsAlterEgo

kstand wrote: »

I still don't understand why FIFA have jurisdiction over the EPL or the CL which is run by EUFA. By all means ban him from international football - but Liverpool pay his wages - why should they suffer for something he has done in a Uruguay shirt? When he bit Ivanovic he was only banned from games that were FA affiliated.

Hierarchy

FIFA
UEFA
FA

QED

Zico

1 match

kstand wrote: »

I still don't understand why FIFA have jurisdiction over the EPL or the CL which is run by EUFA. By all means ban him from international football - but Liverpool pay his wages - why should they suffer for something he has done in a Uruguay shirt? When he bit Ivanovic he was only banned from games that were FA affiliated.

Either you're pretending not to understand in order to be argumentative or you really don't, in which case you're way out of your depth in this discussion.

NoelJ

3 matches

bucketybuck wrote: »

Don't know why people keep mentioning Zidane, didn't he get a lifetime ban for headbutting Matterazzi? I still haven't seen him back on the field for Juventus.

Does anybody here work in a creche? What do they do with bitey toddlers?

No he got a 3 game ban so ended up soing 3 days community service. He just happened to retire after it.

Will I Amnt

8 matches

kstand wrote: »

I still don't understand why FIFA have jurisdiction over the EPL or the CL which is run by EUFA. By all means ban him from international football - but Liverpool pay his wages - why should they suffer for something he has done in a Uruguay shirt? When he bit Ivanovic he was only banned from games that were FA affiliated.

FIFA are the WORLD governing body of football. They overrule UEFA and the FA.

I thought it might be a bit unfair on Liverpool myself to begin with but If he was only banned from internationals, he would be on the pitch again playing pre-season friendlies in a few weeks time.

I'm sure the powers that be at Liverpool weighed up the risks in signing a player that has bitten someone and keeping a player that has subsequently bitten again. They made the right decision to keep him if you ask me but this is the result of that risk.

Zico

1 match

NoelJ wrote: »

No he got a 3 game ban so ended up soing 3 days community service. He just happened to retire after it.

It's a bad idea to just make stuff up because then nothing you say has any credibility.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4942564.stm

DARK-KNIGHT

bucketybuck wrote: »

Don't know why people keep mentioning Zidane, didn't he get a lifetime ban for headbutting Matterazzi? I still haven't seen him back on the field for Juventus.

Does anybody here work in a creche? What do they do with bitey toddlers?

lol my wife is a creche manager

repeated biting would have a child removed from a creche for safety of other children

EvanCornwallis

1 match

Sad day for football. Best player in the WC can't even play.

DARK-KNIGHT

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Sad day for football. Best player in the WC can't even play.

great day for football imo. finally getting his just desserts

bucketybuck

5 matches

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Sad day for football. Best player in the WC can't even play.

It is sad but really that Portugal team was awful. I expected more from them but even their basic passing and use of the ball was just terrible.

Mr Alan

Oranage2 wrote: »

A tad lenient since over a month of the ban is during the summer, would have liked to see a minimum of 6 months to a year.

I dont get how people can trivialize it, biting would go in a cathagory with spitting, doesnt cause a huge amount of physical damage but biting and spitting are complete scumbag behavior of the highest order and deserve to be punished severly

People aren't trivialising it, it was a ****ing scummy idiotic thing to do, like spitting or stamping or loafing, the problem is FIFA as far as I can see has NEVER banned a player from all football for any of those offences, until now.

bucketybuck

5 matches

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

finally getting his just desserts

Who has he bitten now?

Zico

1 match

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Sad day for football. Best player in the WC can't even play.

He's only got himself to blame.

...he missed chance after chance against Ghana yesterday.:p

bucketybuck

5 matches

Mr Alan wrote: »

the problem is FIFA as far as I can see has NEVER banned a player from all football for any of those offences, until now.

No, thats not the problem. Thats not the problem at all.

The problem was a grown man going around biting people.

EvanCornwallis

1 match

bucketybuck wrote: »

It is sad but really that Portugal team was awful. I expected more from them but even their basic passing and use of the ball was just terrible.

Zico wrote: »

He's only got himself to blame.

...he missed chance after chance against Ghana yesterday.:p

Ordinary man

Did suarez issue a public apology ahead of the ban or did he stick to the "it's normal" story?

NoelJ

3 matches

Zico wrote: »

It's a bad idea to just make stuff up because then nothing you say has any credibility.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4942564.stm

What did I make up? He got a 3 game ban and did retire after it? It wasn't a lifetime ban from sport?

Zico

1 match

NoelJ wrote: »

What did I make up? He got a 3 game ban and did retire after it? It wasn't a lifetime ban from sport?

His retirement was announced long before the tournament. It's up to you if you want to twist things by adding untruths to facts but it undermines your credibility. That is all, have a nice day.:)

JimsAlterEgo

Mr Alan wrote: »

People aren't trivialising it, it was a ****ing scummy idiotic thing to do, like spitting or stamping or loafing, the problem is FIFA as far as I can see has NEVER banned a player from all football for any of those offences, until now.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2007/0321/sport/fifa-extends-ban-on-valenciaaposs-navarro-for-sparking-pitch-battle-28362.html

FIFA have extended Valencia defender David Navarro’s seven-month ban for his part in the brawl that marred his side’s Champions League encounter with Inter Milan on March 6 to include all domestic and international matches.

Navarro was hit with the lengthy suspension after sparking the ugly scenes that followed the last 16 tie at the Mestalla by throwing a punch that broke the nose of Inter’s Nicolas Burdisso.

The original ban only covered European fixtures, but FIFA have now granted a UEFA request to increase the punishment to a ban at all levels.

UEFA also confirmed Valencia and Inter have lodged appeals against the punishments meted out after the brawl, to be heard on March 28

cournioni

inforfun wrote: »

People seem to forget this is the 3rd .... third time Suarez took a bite out of someone.

You can compare all you want with things Cantona and and a few other who are mentioned did ... but they did it once. Took their punishment and got on with it.

This guy has just put his teeth in an opponent for the 3rd time in just over 4 years.

The ban is not long enough.
Break the doping rules 3 times and see what happens with your career.

Ah but lets not let a persecution complex get in the way of the facts.

Optimalprimerib

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Sad day for football. Best player in the WC can't even play.

I know portugal got knocked out last night.

EvanCornwallis

1 match

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

I know portugal got knocked out last night.

Congrats on knowing that.

Cantona's Collars

888 Poker have cancelled their sponsorship contract with Suarez.

Adidas are to meet with his representatives soon,they could also follow suit.

Optimalprimerib

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Congrats on knowing that.

Congrats to you. You spotted it first.

cournioni

zerks wrote: »

888 Poker have cancelled their sponsorship contract with Suarez.

Adidas are to meet with his representatives soon,they could also follow suit.

Anyone else think he should have swapped sponsorships with Sturridge? :pac:

NoelJ

3 matches

Zico wrote: »

His retirement was announced long before the tournament. It's up to you if you want to twist things by adding untruths to facts but it undermines your credibility. That is all, have a nice day.:)

So he did happen to retire after the world cup? What part of my post was wrong? I never said he didn't announce it before he just happened to be retiring after the incident not because of it.

EvanCornwallis

1 match

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Congrats to you. You spotted it first.

I didn't know until you said it. Thanks for the random post(random or just bad English)

cournioni

NoelJ wrote: »

So he did happen to retire after the world cup? What part of my post was wrong? I never said he didn't announce it before he just happened to be retiring after the incident not because of it.

Christ! Stop digging man!

Eamo71

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't get the connection, but you get a thanks for quoting Watchmen.

Well Rorschach has a few marbles missing... so...

K-9

cournioni wrote: »

Christ! Stop digging man!

He was right, he corrected the poster who thought Zidane got a lifetime ban. Now as is the way of the internet, we are into pedantic nit picking.

jasoncoylerd

5 matches

never bolt a door with a boiled carrot

bucketybuck

5 matches

K-9 wrote: »

He was right, he corrected the poster who thought Zidane got a lifetime ban. Now as is the way of the internet, we are into pedantic nit picking.

And I wasn't even being serious to start with, hence saying he hasn't played for Juventus since.

Will I Amnt

8 matches

Mr Alan wrote: »

People aren't trivialising it, it was a ****ing scummy idiotic thing to do, like spitting or stamping or loafing, the problem is FIFA as far as I can see has NEVER banned a player from all football for any of those offences, until now.

What do you think would be fair?

Kylo Ren

Instead of appealing the ban they should ask for trial by combat.

pickarooney

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Uruguay FA to appeal it

also from adidias: 'Adidas "fully supports FIFA’s decision...will discuss all aspects of our future partnership directly with Suarez following the World Cup”.'

Can they actually ban him from wearing their gear or will they have to pay him not to wear it?

Chucky the tree

Over 10 matches

pickarooney wrote: »

Can they actually ban him from wearing their gear or will they have to pay him not to wear it?

They just won't pay him to wear it. They'd be delighted if he decided to wear it for free.

Chucky the tree

Over 10 matches

As for 888poker, a gambling company pretending it has morales is always quite funny. The icing on the cake is that they signed this guy up after the Evra incident and two biting incidents and now they suddenly think he's evil.

Optimalprimerib

Keno wrote: »

Instead of appealing the ban they should ask for trial by combat.

Isnt there a guy in game of thrones called "biter"?

ankaragucu

How about this.I'm not a Liverpool fan let me say from the outset but to be fairer TO Liverpool this is what I think FIFA should have done.
Ban Suarez for 9 internationals okay but then give him the option of the four month ban from all football OR he can continue to play club football during this time but his entire salary during the four months is donated to charity.
As things stand unless Liverpool take matters into their own hands THEY will be paying wages amounting to 2-3 million pounds to an employee who's not even allowed into his workplace.

citytillidie

Chucky the tree wrote: »

As for 888poker, a gambling company pretending it has morales is always quite funny. The icing on the cake is that they signed this guy up after the Evra incident and two biting incidents and now they suddenly think he's evil.

Publicity stunt they still spooners Shane Warne who has had a checkered past

TimeToShine

7 matches

ankaragucu wrote: »

How about this.I'm not a Liverpool fan let me say from the outset but to be fairer TO Liverpool this is what I think FIFA should have done.
Ban Suarez for 9 internationals okay but then give him the option of the four month ban from all football OR he can continue to play club football during this time but his entire salary during the four months is donated to charity.
As things stand unless Liverpool take matters into their own hands THEY will be paying wages amounting to 2-3 million pounds to an employee who's not even allowed into his workplace.

I like your idea but I doubt they'll be paying him.

Tombo2001

5 matches

Poor old suarez.

Its such a pity he wont play out the rest of the world cup since he really was lighting up the tournament.

Reminds me a lot of the Zidane incident, in that both had missed good goal opportunities just before their moments of madness.

I know its wrong wrong wrong, but I'd love to see FIFA turn around and let him play the rest of the tournament....

I wont try to 'justify' that statement, I'd just love to see it happen as he is by some distance the most exciting player in the tournament IMHO.

it makes the World Cup less interesting that he is gone. Realistically, Uruguay have no chance without him, whereas with him I reckon they could cause some major upsets.

This has been a fantastic tournament so far, but the last thing we need is for the same old teams to reach the semi's - Brazil, Germany, France, Holland, Germany. If that happens, its really anticlimatic. Brazil win for the umpteenth time......so what......Messi fires a mediocre Argentina team to win....so what.......boring boring Germany........We need teams that can take these on.....Uruguay with Suarez is one of the view that can.....

Lovely Bloke

citytillidie wrote: »

Publicity stunt they still spooners Shane Warne who has had a checkered past

a past which does not include biting three different opponents but.

cournioni

ankaragucu wrote: »

How about this.I'm not a Liverpool fan let me say from the outset but to be fairer TO Liverpool this is what I think FIFA should have done.
Ban Suarez for 9 internationals okay but then give him the option of the four month ban from all football OR he can continue to play club football during this time but his entire salary during the four months is donated to charity.
As things stand unless Liverpool take matters into their own hands THEY will be paying wages amounting to 2-3 million pounds to an employee who's not even allowed into his workplace.

At the end of the day, its the players responsibility to act in a professional manner both on the pitch and off the pitch. He is an employee of Liverpool and thus he represents them no matter where he is while he is under contract with them.

Ultimately Suarez is responsible for lost wages due to his inability to train or play because of his own actions. Whether Liverpool choose to pay Suarez's wages or not is up to them.