Colombia vs Uruguay 9pm/Sat 28th

Strazdas

YayaBanana wrote: »

Columbia look good but I wouldn't get as carried away as a lot on here, they came through an easy group and beat a very average Uruguay side. Good going forward but look suspect at the back at times. Should be a cracking game against Brazil.

Four wins from four speaks for itself though. They look high on confidence and are a very attack minded team.....if I was a Brazilian, I would be very worried.

fullstop

Somebody make Eamon stop

CountyHurler

Dunphy getting snotty with Bill there.....

Billy86

Dunphy continues to embarrass himself more and more, onto Neymar now. Looks like he's found his new Ronaldo.

If Colombia don't best Brazil in the quarters, I'll be hoping for Neymar to score a hat tricm

Aaaaaand now he goes on a rant about the 2002/6 Brazil teams. And can't name more than 4 or 5 players for them.

JONJO THE MISER

Im after a bottle and half of wine and i can see a fellow drunk, now lets go to our senior analylist

Strazdas

Corholio wrote: »

I'm not fully convinced on them being very solid. They were a bit lucky against Ivory Coast and even tonight against a poor enough Uruguay team, they gave up a few decent chances.

Will be a good game though. Will be interesting to see Brazil's starting lineup.

What I like about them is that they keep going forward no matter what. The match against Japan was a dead rubber and yet they pressed them hard throughout, winning 4-1 in the end. They are certainly going to test Brazil's defence to the maximum (though they do occasionally leak a goal at the back).

egghead.

I genuinely think he is drunk, no messing.

Lapin

jodaw wrote: »

Colombia have always brought great colour and fun to the World Cup. Some of my earliest world cup memories are of that header Rene Higuita.

Always worth a look at this !

Billy86

Actually I have to say fair play to Giles, who has continually put Dunphy back in his box tonight.

Also, Ronaldo was built almost identical to Neymar at 21/22 years of age. So more bullsh*t.

And more pettiness. Why are we paying for this joke?

Dempsey

He brown nosed it in the end

egghead.

Bring back valdarama.

Billy86

egghead. wrote: »

I genuinely think he is drunk, no messing.

Have to agree. A disgrace to our whole country would be an understatement.

bmcc10

Billy86 wrote: »

Actually I have to say fair play to Giles, who has continually put Dunphy back in his box tonight.

Also, Ronaldo was built almost identical to Neymar at 21/22 years of age. So more bullsh*t.

And more pettiness. Why are we paying for this joke?

Ronaldo was bigger at that age, Neymar is a toothpick.

Corholio

Billy86 wrote: »

Actually I have to say fair play to Giles, who has continually put Dunphy back in his box tonight.

Also, Ronaldo was built almost identical to Neymar at 21/22 years of age. So more bullsh*t.

And more pettiness. Why are we paying for this joke?

I agree with your point and Dunphy was talking nonsense, but Ronaldo certainly had a stronger physique at that age. But a stronger physique wouldn't suit Neymar's game anyway I dont think.

Dempsey

bmcc10 wrote: »

Ronaldo was bigger at that age, Neymar is a toothpick.

At 22? I dont think so.

Neymar has a surprising amount of muscle, contrary to the ****e said on RTE

kryogen

Never ceases to amaze me how people still react so much to the panel.

They truly do their job better then any other crew out there.

Even lads who hate them tune in to give out about what they say, genius, ratings heroes.

kryogen

Dempsey wrote: »

At 22? I dont think so.

Neymar has a surprising amount of muscle

He was actually, you forgetting maybe that Ronaldo was 22 in 2007

bmcc10

Dempsey wrote: »

At 22? I dont think so.

Neymar has a surprising amount of muscle, contrary to the ****e said on RTE

He was huge back then.

TheTownie

Dempsey wrote: »

At 22? I dont think so.

Neymar has a surprising amount of muscle, contrary to the ****e said on RTE

Another pic

A Primal Nut

kryogen wrote: »

He was actually, you forgetting maybe that Ronaldo was 22 in 2007

I'm always certain he was talking about Brazilian Ronaldo. It came off a conversation about the 2002 team. Open to correction though.

Regardless of which Ronaldo he was talking about, I'd agree that Neymar doesn't have the same upper body strength. But to say he's not a top player because of that...insane.

kryogen

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I'm always certain he was talking about Brazilian Ronaldo. It came off a conversation about the 2002 team. Open to correction though.

Regardless of which Ronaldo he was talking about, I'd agree that Neymar doesn't have the same upper body strength. But to say he's not a top player because of that...insane.

Can't say, wasn't watching it.

Corholio

He was talking about Brazilian Ronaldo, but both Ronaldo's had a bigger upper body at that age no doubt.

Not that it matters cos the point Dunphy making was nonsense.

Dempsey

kryogen wrote: »

He was actually, you forgetting maybe that Ronaldo was 22 in 2007

I wasnt saying Ronaldo wasnt bulked but Neymar isnt a toothpick



Comparing Neymar to the best athlete in the game was a strawman by Dunphy is my point

Remember that Ronaldo is 6'2", Neymar is 5'9"

Turtwig

Is this the hotties thread?

Nalz

Best site to see world cup highlights? Not 101greatgoals... so slow and ads, links etc everywhere

Anything better lads?

thanks

alchemist33

Are we talking about the gay pride march again, lads?

Billy86

Corholio wrote: »

I agree with your point and Dunphy was talking nonsense, but Ronaldo certainly had a stronger physique at that age. But a stronger physique wouldn't suit Neymar's game anyway I dont think.

Maybe at 22, he did bulk up a lot from about 22 to 25 years, but this is taken in 06/07, so he would have been either 21 or recently turned 22 (in February):





And as mentioned, he is one of the best pure athletes the game has ever seen. Neymars game resembles Ronaldinho a bit more, wonder why Dunphy didnt compare those two, or Messi? Well actually, I dont, is agenda is as clear as it is pathetic.

Billy86

alchemist33 wrote: »

Are we talking about the gay pride march again, lads?

Uncomfortable much?

G'wan Columbia!!

Hope they win it

efb

James Rodriguez! Happy Pride!

RedemptionZ

Dempsey wrote: »

I wasnt saying Ronaldo wasnt bulked but Neymar isnt a toothpick


Remember that Ronaldo is 6'2", Neymar is 5'9"

He looks like a complete toothpick there, he's got a low bodyfat percentage no doubt but looks to have no lats and little to no delts in that picture. Football isn't a bodybuilding contest but he's a very weedy player and the fact he's 5'9" makes it much more visible, at least a 6'2" guy with the same BMI will be a good 40lbs heavier. He'll have to bulk up if he wants to make it injury free in the long term imo.

Dempsey

RedemptionZ wrote: »

He looks like a complete toothpick there, he's got a low bodyfat percentage no doubt but looks to have no lats and little to no delts in that picture. Football isn't a bodybuilding contest but he's a very weedy player and the fact he's 5'9" makes it much more visible, at least a 6'2" guy with the same BMI will be a good 40lbs heavier. He'll have to bulk up if he wants to make it injury free in the long term imo.

You must be drunker than Dunphy

Pro. F

There's no doubt that Neymar is slightly built. But it doesn't hold his game back, he uses his pace and skill brilliantly. If he had any sort of CF to play off at this tournament he could be being talked about as the player of the tournament.

Gbear

I'm sure Neymar has the legs of a horse and that's what's important.

He's an incredible dribbler at pace - something that I don't think Messi or Ronaldo have the same prowess at - Messi uses bursts of pace, control and balance, Ronaldo either uses pace (as much as any player on the planet has) or trickery at walking speed but generally not both simultaneously.

Even with comparisons to Ronaldinho, I don't think they quite fit the bill - Neymar looks quicker but more slightly built.

If he keeps going the way he has so far, he has it in him to carve his own niche and style. I just hope he doesn't go all Adriano and half the other Brazilians from the last 20 years and pack it in at 29 to go on the piss.

RedemptionZ

Dempsey wrote: »

You must be drunker than Dunphy

No lats or delts = no V shape = toothpick. Put it this way, if you took away his shoulders there'd be just a straight line from his pelvis to his chest. Having a six pack doesn't take away from this, the fact he's 5'9" only makes it worse, if you were outmuscled by Neymar for the ball you'd have to take a long hard look at yourself. I know his game isn't about outmusceling other players but it's certainly not a harm to have it at your disposal.

Dempsey

RedemptionZ wrote: »

No lats or delts = no V shape = toothpick. Put it this way, if you took away his shoulders there'd be just a straight line from his pelvis to his chest. Having a six pack doesn't take away from this, the fact he's 5'9" only makes it worse, if you were outmuscled by Neymar for the ball you'd have to take a long hard look at yourself. I know his game isn't about outmusceling other players but it's certainly not a harm to have it at your disposal.

Armchair sport scientist!

If you think he's a toothpick then you know nothing about football.

If you compare him to Ronaldo then he's obviously not the same bulk but most pro's arent Ronaldo's size.


In short, you are talking out your hoop.

efb

James is the second best thing that has ever happend to Colombia, after Shakira.

RedemptionZ

Dempsey wrote: »

Armchair sport scientist!

If you think he's a toothpick then you know nothing about football.

If you compare him to Ronaldo then he's obviously not the same bulk but most pro's arent Ronaldo's size.


In short, you are talking out your hoop.

Ok then. Never mentioned Ronaldo. Lats and delts are pretty crucial to overall strength. Sizewise he's a weedy player. Hulk is a big player. Ronaldo is an average player. Does that mean he's a bad player? No.

How exactly am I talking out of my hoop? I simply looked at the picture and said what I saw. But alright fair enough guess I don't know anything about football.

Throwing in some knowledge about the human body doesn't make me an amateur sports scientist.

Billy86

efb wrote: »

James is the second best thing that has ever happend to Colombia, after Shakira.

Sorry, but...



Colombian women are possibly the sexiest in the world.

Billy86

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Ok then. Never mentioned Ronaldo. Lats and delts are pretty crucial to overall strength. Sizewise he's a weedy player. Hulk is a big player. Ronaldo is an average player. Does that mean he's a bad player? No.

Whatever about the rest of the debate, whether you meant build or ability, just...

Dempsey

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Ok then. Never mentioned Ronaldo. Lats and delts are pretty crucial to overall strength. Sizewise he's a weedy player. Hulk is a big player. Ronaldo is an average player. Does that mean he's a bad player? No.

How exactly am I talking out of my hoop? I simply looked at the picture and said what I saw. But alright fair enough guess I don't know anything about football.

Throwing in some knowledge about the human body doesn't make me an amateur sports scientist.

many types of fitness,your critique isnt relevant to football.

In terms of football, Neymar is in physically better condition than 99% of his peers.

As an athlete, ronaldo is superior to Hulk in every way for a footballer.

I'd love for you to go in for a shoulder charge with Neymar, you would lose...

To call him a toothpick is comical

RedemptionZ

Billy86 wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of the debate, whether you meant size or ability, just...

He's a great looking guy, but he's not a big guy per se. Wonderful athlete and the perfect size for his position imo. But still not big in the sense that he's an imposing figure. If people want to disagree with me on that one fair enough but that's how I see it.

Pro. F

Dempsey wrote: »

many types of fitness,your critique isnt relevant to football.

In terms of football, Neymar is in physically better condition than 99% of his peers.

As an athlete, ronaldo is superior to Hulk in every way for a footballer.

I'd love for you to go in for a shoulder charge with Neymar, you would lose...

To call him a toothpick is comical

How can you deny that Neymar is skinny? He is so obviously skinny, even in the photo you posted. "Toothpick" is a fine description of his build. Compared to most top professional footballers at his age he is slight, there's no arguing against that.

RedemptionZ

Dempsey wrote: »

many types of fitness,your critique isnt relevant to football.

In terms of football, Neymar is in physically better condition than 99% of his peers.

As an athlete, ronaldo is superior to Hulk in every way for a footballer.

I'd love for you to go in for a shoulder charge with Neymar, you would lose...

To call him a toothpick is comical

Well you don't know my stats, I reckon I'd have Neymar in a shoulder charge and he'd beat the pants off me in a football match. Look I'm not having a go at small players here, they tend to dominate the greatest of all time lists, but Neymar could do with some bulking up, wouldn't do him any harm to bulk up another 7/maybe 10kgs, over the next 2 or 3 seasons. The toothpick comment was based purely on aesthetics, I think he looks like a skinny 14 year old there but if you think he looks like a beast fair enough.

Dempsey

Pro. F wrote: »

How can you deny that Neymar is skinny? He is so obviously skinny, even in the photo you posted. "Toothpick" is a fine description of his build. Compared to most top professional footballers at his age he is slight, there's no arguing against that.

He's in better physical condition that most pro footballers. Skinny when compared to a 6' 2" player i suppose but you dont have to be bulked to be strong.

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Well you don't know my stats, I reckon I'd have Neymar in a shoulder charge and he'd beat the pants off me in a football match. Look I'm not having a go at small players here, they tend to dominate the greatest of all time lists, but Neymar could do with some bulking up, wouldn't do him any harm to bulk up another 7/maybe 10kgs, over the next 2 or 3 seasons. The toothpick comment was based purely on aesthetics, I think he looks like a skinny 14 year old there but if you think he looks like a beast fair enough.

I think he's very strong for his size, his antics on field often hide this.

Size of a 14 year old?! Absolute nonsense!

Pro. F

Dempsey wrote: »

He's in better physical condition that most pro footballers. Skinny when compared to a 6' 2" player i suppose but you dont have to be bulked to be strong.

Since when is skinniness a measure of height? He is skinny compared to players of any height.

And even though we could debate whether and how muscle mass is important for strength, there's no need. The thing that you have been arguing is that he is not skinny. He clearly is.

Dempsey

Pro. F wrote: »

Since when is skinniness a measure of height? He is skinny compared to players of any height.

And even though we could debate whether and how muscle mass is important for strength, there's no need. The thing that you have been arguing is that he is not skinny. He clearly is.

Never said skinniness a measure of height. Bulking is easier when you are naturally bigger

99% of footballer are skinny by your logic

He is not skinny

Pro. F

Dempsey wrote: »

Never said skinniness a measure of height. Bulking is easier when you are naturally bigger

Bulking up is not easier when you are taller, it's got nothing to do with height. Whether or not it's easy to bulk up depends on what body type you are, not your height.

And this is still irrelevant, because you didn't argue that it's hard for Neymar to bulk up, you argued that he is not skinny.

Dempsey wrote: »

99% of footballer are skinny by your logic

He is not skinny

My logic of saying that Neymar is skinnier than most top footballers of that age means that I'm saying that 99% of footballers are skinny? No it doesn't.

Dempsey

Pro. F wrote: »

Bulking up is not easier when you are taller, it's got nothing to do with height. Whether or not it's easy to bulk up depends on what body type you are, not your height.

And this is still irrelevant, because you didn't argue that it's hard for Neymar to bulk up, you argued that he is not skinny.



My logic of saying that Neymar is skinnier than most top footballers of that age means that I'm saying that 99% of footballers are skinny? No it doesn't.

I called Dunphy on saying Neymar was a toothpick.

Comparisons to Ronaldo ; Easier to look bulked when taller imo

Neymar isnt skinny by any definition

RedemptionZ

Dempsey wrote: »

Neymar isnt skinny by any definition

By ANY definition? Seriously? He's skinny for a football player, why else would people comment on it? Dunphy can be a wally but that was a fair comment.

According to wikipedia, Neymar is 64kgs and Messi is 67kgs while also being 2 inches smaller. Whatever about whether or not having that low a weight is a benefit, the fact remains that Neymar is a skinny man.