France vs Nigeria 5pm / Mon 30th

Turtwig

Birdnuts wrote: »

Germany will kick their ass

Hard to say. French side improved immensely when Grievsmann came on.

CountyHurler

Giroud surely cant get anywhere near the starting eleven for the quarter final... Every time he got the ball he lost it... And he also should have been sent off.... Nobody has made reference to this, but he elbowed Mikel in the face... I mean FIFA looked at the Suarez incident after the match, why are they not looking at other incidents post match.. Is that set aside just for the players that they dont like?

Turtwig

France could have two sent off.

AllGunsBlazing

Bit off topic here - but did Argentina play any second stringers across the back four when they faced this Nigerian side?

Turtwig

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Bit off topic here - but did Argentina play any second stringers across the back four when they faced this Nigerian side?

Nope.

Son Of A Vidic

Turtwig wrote: »

Hard to say. French side improved immensely when Grievsmann came on.

What really helped them was escaping two blatant two penalty decisions and not having a player sent off.

Maximus Alexander

CountyHurler wrote: »

Giroud surely cant get anywhere near the starting eleven for the quarter final... Every time he got the ball he lost it... And he also should have been sent off.... Nobody has made reference to this, but he elbowed Mikel in the face... I mean FIFA looked at the Suarez incident after the match, why are they not looking at other incidents post match.. Is that set aside just for the players that they dont like?

I didn't see it, but a intentional elbow in the face should get the same treatment as that other incident. The problem is though, it would have to be pretty blatantly deliberate, because elbows do be flying by accident.

My name is URL

Slicemeister wrote: »

Sadliers face when Kenny speaks ha ha.

Kenny's feckin face when Kenny speaks!

Birdnuts

Turtwig wrote: »

Hard to say. French side improved immensely when Grievsmann came on.

No doubt he was a factor but the French took out 2 of Nigeria's best players - thats when France came into it. This blew a big hole in the Nigerian midfield which was on top till then

Turtwig

Birdnuts wrote: »

No doubt he was a factor but the French took out 2 of Nigeria's best players - thats when France came into it. This blew a big hole in the Nigerian midfield which was on top till then

True I'd forgotten they were subbed.

Maximus Alexander

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

What really helped them was escaping two blatant two penalty decisions and not having a player sent off.

I missed most of the match, I presume the red card everyone's talking about should have been for that ankle-breaker of a challenge?

Son Of A Vidic

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I missed most of the match, I presume the red card everyone's talking about should have been for that ankle-breaker of a challenge?

Yip, that's the one.

Turtwig

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I missed most of the match, I presume the red card everyone's talking about should have been for that ankle-breaker of a challenge?

That's one.
Grievsmann and Giroud could possibly have been others.

CountyHurler

I think that McDonald's advert captures all of my facial expressions when I think about eating their food..

Pro. F

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I missed most of the match, I presume the red card everyone's talking about should have been for that ankle-breaker of a challenge?

Yeah, by Matuidi on Onazi. Then Onazi was subbed off and France came into it a lot more.

Nigeria can feel hard done by, it was a very close game.

CountyHurler

"I disagree on both accounts"

lol

Maximus Alexander

Pro. F wrote: »

Yeah, by Matuidi on Onazi. Then Onazi was subbed off and France came into it a lot more.

Nigeria can feel hard done by, it was a very close game.

They just showed the clips on RTE, looks like Matuidi could have been sent off twice over.

LordAwesome

LOL Cunningham disagrees that the shocking tackle should be a a red. Of course he does!

spiritcrusher

Sadlier in genuine shock disbelief at what he's hearing Kenny come out with haha

My name is URL

Cunningham is just a parsnip

Pro. F

CountyHurler wrote: »

Giroud surely cant get anywhere near the starting eleven for the quarter final... Every time he got the ball he lost it... And he also should have been sent off.... Nobody has made reference to this, but he elbowed Mikel in the face... I mean FIFA looked at the Suarez incident after the match, why are they not looking at other incidents post match.. Is that set aside just for the players that they dont like?

If that was in the EPL Giroud would definitely get a ban. It would be some mess if FIFA miss that or choose to ignore it.

LightningBlue

Is Kenny Cunningham actually serious or on the wind-up?

Matuidi's tackle was a definite red.

Son Of A Vidic

LordAwesome wrote: »

LOL Cunningham disagrees that the shocking tackle should be a a red. Of course he does!

He really does talk some amount of horse shít. He's an embarrassment at this stage.

Benteke

This is hilarious haha

jojofizzio

Kenny doesnt like being argued with does he??

Maximus Alexander

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

He really does talk some amount of horse shít. He's an embarrassment at this stage.

He gets worse every match. Is he thinking long term and looking to take Dunphy's job?

Son Of A Vidic

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

He gets worse every match. Is he thinking long term and looking to take Dunphy's job?

Once he increases his alcohol intake, he'll have it in the bag.

Lenin Skynard

Would hate to see Cunningham after a few scoops.

Ardent

In fairness, I thought it was only a yellow at the time as well.

AllGunsBlazing

Spot the ex-Wimbledon footballer.

Kenny Cunninghams contribution has me tuning in for comedy value

YFlyer

Kenny trying to get Ronnie on his side :pac:

Luckycharms_74

Cunningham is talking through his ar5e. Sadlier and Whelan are spot on. Matuidi should have went and it was a deffo pen .

LordAwesome

"Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! "

Jesus Christ! Of course it does. Why do you think there's a difference between intentional handball and accidental handball, or a player accidently hitting a player in the face or intentionally elbowing them.

Bet Cunningham has never read the rules of the game and here he is acting like an expert.

Corholio

I do disagree with Kenny, however he does argue it well in my opinion. It does look worse because the foot is planted and refs are told to judge whether a player is out of control with the tackle.

It was a red but instead of Sadlier using a laugh or a smile as an argument, Kenny actually uses words. Sadlier started off well but has become increasingly smarmy as the tournament has gone on.

NotASheeple

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Cunningham is talking through his ar5e. Sadlier and Whelan are spot on. Matuidi should have went and it was a deffo pen .

+1.

Poor Nigeria and once again a Ref robs an opponent and sends the French through. Right now I'm ABF - Anyone But France.

LordAwesome

LordAwesome wrote: »

"Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! "

Jesus Christ! Of course it does. Why do you think there's a difference between intentional handball and accidental handball, or a player accidently hitting a player in the face or intentionally elbowing them.

Bet Cunningham has never read the rules of the game and here he is acting like an expert.

Intent doesn't come into it in a tackle.

If you accidentally go over the top with a mistimed tackle it's a red card. Doesn't matter if you didn't mean it.

eagle eye

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Cunningham is talking through his ar5e. Sadlier and Whelan are spot on. Matuidi should have went and it was a deffo pen .

What about the penalty that France should have had?

Turtwig

How many cups have the groups winners all reaching the quarter finals?

eagle eye

Turtwig wrote: »

How many cups have the groups winners all reaching the quarter finals?

Six so far, Brazil have five and France have one, Germany have three if they make it.

World Cup finalists would be a lot more with the Dutch having three, to add to Brazil's seven, France with two and Germany with seven if they make it.

Edit: Forgot about Argentina who if they make it add two wins and four finals.

Suryavarman

LordAwesome wrote: »

"Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! Intent doesn't come into it! "

Jesus Christ! Of course it does. Why do you think there's a difference between intentional handball and accidental handball, or a player accidently hitting a player in the face or intentionally elbowing them.

Bet Cunningham has never read the rules of the game and here he is acting like an expert.

The relevant rules are on page 62-66 here. Cunningham is almost perfect in his analysis apart from his belief that a one footed lunge isn't a red card offence. Much better than Whelan's talking about intent even though the rules make no reference to intent. Although I believe he was wrong, Cunningham probably gave the best analysis of the situation because he displayed his knowledge of the rules by referencing the actual wording of the rules which is what an analyst should do.

The reason there is a difference between accidental and intentional hand balls is because the rules state there is a difference. The reason there is a difference between accidental and intentional elbows is because usually an unintentional elbow doesn't use excessive force which would warrant punishment.

greendom

GreNoLi wrote: »

Good game, Benzema and Giroud can't play together.

You didn't see the Swiss game I take it ?

greendom

Not a great performance by France but they deserved it over the 90. Yes a penalty could have been given for Evra's challenge, but only if there had already been 9 or 10 others in the tournament so far. It's a constant in this tournament from free-kicks and corners and refs really need to start punishing it.

As for Matuidi, no complaints if a red had been given. Delighted it wasn't though as his energy is absolutely vital to the team. Magnificent box to box midfielder.

Turtwig

eagle eye wrote: »

Six so far, Brazil have five and France have one, Germany have three if they make it.

World Cup finalists would be a lot more with the Dutch having three, to add to Brazil's seven, France with two and Germany with seven if they make it.

Edit: Forgot about Argentina who if they make it add two wins and four finals.

Oh, no that's not what I meant by 'cups'. Meant in how many previous tournaments have the winners from each group all advanced to the quarter finals?