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Revised Focus ST gets diesel option.
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Absolutely they are. I find my 1.6 petrol to be not suited to a Motorway at all. But we get away with it here because with it being such a small Country, we generally don't stay on Motorways for long. With the odd cross-Country trip thrown in, most people get by just fine with their little 1.4's and one sixes. In the States though, you wouldn't last long with one and you'd soon get rid for something that you can cruise in in comfort.
It's not just a power thing, though. I drove a 1989 Mercedes 230E up and down the M8 some months back and while she had plenty engine, I was appalled that the old style four-cogger gave me the same cruising gear-ratio as with Mrs. Goose's five-speed Xsara. It seemed so wrong, revving the ballacks off a big, wallowy, comfy old Merc just to cruise at 90. So I didn't.
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Absolutely they are. I find my 1.6 petrol to be not suited to a Motorway at all. But we get away with it here because with it being such a small Country, we generally don't stay on Motorways for long. With the odd cross-Country trip thrown in, most people get by just fine with their little 1.4's and one sixes. In the States though, you wouldn't last long with one and you'd soon get rid for something that you can cruise in in comfort.
I don't think you realise it but there are people in this country doing 1000's of miles a week on motorways, in modern rep mobiles (with relatively low BHP and torque figures), these cars would be as equally capable and as comfortable doing that mileage on any continent in the world. Just because you don't spend much times on motorways doesn't mean others don't.
You average Irish motorway is also far superior to the average freeway or even UK motorway, so i don't think the american thing was a good angle to take. Not to mention the ridiculous nanny state speed limits that would make any fun car redundant.
I honestly believe that choosing a car based on the size of a country or width or length of it's roads is naive.
This whole America thing you've kept pushing in this thread is a little weird to be honest, not sure what it's about. At a guess i would say you went on holidays there once and rented a big boring yank tank and have been prattling on about it since (joke). Is it the motoring version of "Cold ? You don't know cold" when you mistakenly mention it's cold out to someone who spent a stag weekend in Norway in January once 0 -
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Supergurrier wrote: »You would never catch me admitting to having an STD thats for sure
...probably admit to having an STD before admitting to having a diesel ST 0 -
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Henry Ford III wrote: »We're going wildly off topic here but I recall reading that mosts Americans don't travel - relatively few have passports, and many have not even left their home state.I think this notion of coast to coast cruising in huge powerful land yachts is fancyful at best.
Passports are totally irrelevant as I'm talking about within the US. Nobody said anything about coast to coast or indeed "huge powerful land yachts". You're making things up here Henry.
They drive more distances than we do. Almost all their roads are bigger, wider and very much straighter than ours. A comfortable cruiser is much more important to have over there than here where most of our roads are still windy, narrow and quite hilly and the emphasis is more on handling. The two environments are like chalk and cheese IMO.
I'm surprised having driven over there you've reached that conclusion. Still, its good having differing opinions
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Passports are totally irrelevant as I'm talking about within the US. Nobody said anything about coast to coast or indeed "huge powerful land yachts". You're making things up here Henry.
They drive more distances than we do. Almost all their roads are bigger, wider and very much straighter than ours. A comfortable cruiser is much more important to have over there than here where most of our roads are still windy, narrow and quite hilly and the emphasis is more on handling. The two environments are like chalk and cheese IMO.
I'm surprised having driven over there you've reached that conclusion. Still, its good having differing opinions
Complete 'Opinion'. nothing more nothing less.0 -
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I don't think you realise it but there are people in this country doing 1000's of miles a week on motorways, in modern rep mobiles (with relatively low BHP and torque figures), these cars would be as equally capable and as comfortable doing that mileage on any continent in the world. Just because you don't spend much times on motorways doesn't mean others don't.
Oh for the love of God, I said "AVERAGE" "AVERAGE"
FFSYou average Irish motorway is also far superior to the average freeway or even UK motorway, so i don't think the american thing was a good angle to take. Not to mention the ridiculous nanny state speed limits that would make any fun car redundant.
Its not applicable because again, the average Irish motorist doesn't spend that long on our Motorways. Very very few whizz across the Country on them every day and those that do do high miles on them would generally have more than a 90 or 100 bhp petrol car. The Rep crowd probably drive 2 liter TDI's etc which are perfect for that kind of travelling.I honestly believe that choosing a car based on the size of a country or width or length of it's roads is naive.
Never said such a thing. Once again, I repeat: A car that might have adequate power for Ireland and our roads might not be adequate for the US. I've given many reasons for this so there's no point in repeating it.This whole America thing you've kept pushing in this thread is a little weird to be honest, not sure what it's about. At a guess i would say you went on holidays there once and rented a big boring yank tank and have been prattling on about it since (joke). Is it the motoring version of "Cold ? You don't know cold" when you mistakenly mention it's cold out to someone who spent a stag weekend in Norway in January once
Don't give up the day job and become a Detective whatever you do! I actually lived over there some years ago. I still go back once or twice a year but don't rent out cars.0 -
Passports are totally irrelevant as I'm talking about within the US. Nobody said anything about coast to coast or indeed "huge powerful land yachts". You're making things up here Henry.
They drive more distances than we do. Almost all their roads are bigger, wider and very much straighter than ours. A comfortable cruiser is much more important to have over there than here where most of our roads are still windy, narrow and quite hilly and the emphasis is more on handling. The two environments are like chalk and cheese IMO.
I'm surprised having driven over there you've reached that conclusion. Still, its good having differing opinions
I think you're contradicting yourself there. To cruise on a motorway doesn't take or need much power, a long top gear so the revs are low would make things more comfortable...where diesels are good.
Do you not think you would need more power where there are narrow roads, hill, corners where you would be accelerating a lot more than just driving at a constant speed?
Also I think a more powerful car suits itself to ireland with our limited overtaking opportunities and single lane roads, an overtake can be executed far more safely with a powerful car. Less time needed to make a run up or be on the opposite side of the road exposed to potential danger.0 -
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listermint wrote: »Complete 'Opinion'. nothing more nothing less.
So you disagree with this???
"Almost all their roads are bigger, wider and very much straighter than ours. A comfortable cruiser is much more important to have over there than here where most of our roads are still windy, narrow and quite hilly and the emphasis is more on handling."
I would have thought that that's fact
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I think you're contradicting yourself there. To cruise on a motorway doesn't take or need much power, a long top gear so the revs are low would make things more comfortable...where diesels are good..
Ah look don't you start. In my very first post I said torque is where its at. I've been singing from that song book since I joined here. I even started a thread about bhp v torque and it ran for pages and pages!
BHP and torque.
Anyway, I'm off to work. Nice debating with yis fellas 0 -
Ah look don't you start. In my very first post I said torque is where its at. I've been singing from that song book since I joined here. I even started a thread about bhp v torque and it ran for pages and pages!
BHP and torque.
Anyway, I'm off to work. Nice debating with yis fellas
Yay, I won 0 -
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You're finding it hard to grasp for some reason bro.Ah for God's sake mateYou're making things up here Henry.Oh for the love of God
FFS
Your attitude wouldn't be great,that attitude might work in America with it's big open spaces and wide canyons but over here, you'd want to scale it down it a bit. 0 -
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Fernanda Aggressive Transition wrote: »What about someone who wants all the aspects of the ST except, by choice or necessity, also want a diesel.
What about if somebody wants ferrari to make a sportscar thats under 25 grand new,
Or bentley to make a bog spec continental with a towbar and cloth seats as standard. Or What about if somebody wants a micra with racing stripes thats done up to look like some sort of retarded formula one monstrosity
Just because somebody wants something doesn't mean it should be possible.
Driving an ST diesel , GT-TDI or other smoke-hatches is basically the same as the young lad putting a glanza kit on his 1.0 starlet , or fitting a huge spoiler to a bog spec mitsubishi colt. These are for people who want so desperatly to live out their 'fast and furious' dreams while real car enthusiasts point and laugh.
If you can only afford a diesel , don't pretend its a racecar.
Something to do with silk purses and pigs ears come to mind.0 -
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Eric Cartman wrote: »....Driving an ST diesel , GT-TDI or other smoke-hatches is basically the same as the young lad putting a glanza kit on his 1.0 starlet , or fitting a huge spoiler to a bog spec mitsubishi colt. These are for people who want so desperatly to live out their 'fast and furious' dreams while real car enthusiasts point and laugh.
If you can only afford a diesel , don't pretend its a racecar.
Something to do with silk purses and pigs ears come to mind.
Ya
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Eric Cartman wrote: »What about if somebody wants ferrari to make a sportscar thats under 25 grand new,
Or bentley to make a bog spec continental with a towbar and cloth seats as standard. Or What about if somebody wants a micra with racing stripes thats done up to look like some sort of retarded formula one monstrosity
Just because somebody wants something doesn't mean it should be possible.
Driving an ST diesel , GT-TDI or other smoke-hatches is basically the same as the young lad putting a glanza kit on his 1.0 starlet , or fitting a huge spoiler to a bog spec mitsubishi colt. These are for people who want so desperatly to live out their 'fast and furious' dreams while real car enthusiasts point and laugh.
If you can only afford a diesel , don't pretend its a racecar.
Something to do with silk purses and pigs ears come to mind.
Do you feel a BMW 535d with the M Sport kit is a sow's ear too?
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Henry Ford III wrote: »Ya
Driving a diesel car and comparing it to one of them,is like fapping to Cameron Diaz and going for dinner with Susan Boyle.
That car has as much in common with a road going diesel car as an F1 car has in common with a road going petrol car, it's a stupid argument as beyond a seat, internal combustion and wheels it's like comparing a space shuttle to a Cessna.Do you feel a BMW 535d with the M Sport kit is a sow's ear too?
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The 535d is an executive saloon, that poster was talking about the hot hatch segment of the market (as is this thread) :rolleyes:
The diesel fan boys are reaching this morning 0 -
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