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irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

It's just another move to wrestle control of the game from the Unions. Someone needs to put these guys back in their boxes. It's getting really tiresome.

"these guys"

Nigel Wray is not PRL. He's certainly not representative of "these guys." People seem to miss that point quite often.

.ak

former legend wrote: »

Didn't the Super 12 do something similar when it started? That the refs were asked to be lenient on forward passes and other technical infringements to let the game flow more and be more entertaining?


Open to correction on that now.

Maybe I phrased my post wrong. The IRB do it all the time, giving directives to the refs to allow for more of a flow in the game. Sure, the ELVS thing says it all really. But if we're allowing clubs to buy refs to basically tailor games for their own purpose then it becomes a step too far IMO.

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

"these guys"

Nigel Wray is not PRL. He's certainly not representative of "these guys." People seem to miss that point quite often.

I'm terribly sorry that I was so hard on the PRL.....

...oh wait, I didn't even mention the PRL at all. So how did you know I was talking about them? Ah, you must have assumed that I was.

I was actually referring to people like Wray and Boudjellal. People who come in with shed loads of cash and think they've somehow earned the right to start dictating to others how the game should be run. I know I wasn't clear on that in my post, but still...

irishbucsfan

molloyjh wrote: »

I'm terribly sorry that I was so hard on the PRL.....

...oh wait, I didn't even mention the PRL at all. So how did you know I was talking about them? Ah, you must have assumed that I was.

I was actually referring to people like Wray and Boudjellal. People who come in with shed loads of cash and think they've somehow earned the right to start dictating to others how the game should be run. I know I wasn't clear on that in my post, but still...

Ah right, yeah fair enough. Those guys are nutters though who don't really end up getting their way most of the time on anything that matters,s so I don't really see the problem. They're only really mentioned so much because they love seeing their quotes in the media. If someone like McCafferty says something it's worth discussing.

errlloyd

If anything we should be arriving towards more consistency in refereeing not less

Yeah_Right

former legend wrote: »

Didn't the Super 12 do something similar when it started? That the refs were asked to be lenient on forward passes and other technical infringements to let the game flow more and be more entertaining?


Open to correction on that now.

You're half right. The refs were directed/encouraged to ensure the game flowed. One of the things that was highlighted to them was related to how a pass can appear forward due to the momentum of the passer (please refer to that thread that covered this in detail). I believe this came about due to a big focus on it in the NRL.
The refs were also instructed to be strict about and use yellow cards on players sealing off the breakdowns, slowing the ball, tacklers not rolling away etc. All with the aim of speeding the game up. I think another one was for them to get the ball out of scrums quicker, less resets, penalise or free-kick collapses, standing up etc.
I can't remember all the details (long time ago) but there was "encouragement" to make the game entertaining.

matthew8

What an amazing match winning try for Sale. The guts of Cipriani to try this at 54 seconds in this video, 68 minutes in the match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDFGrdfTKfE&list=PL10-iuZDt9bSe8pVcCVJUI5va-XUiHSzn

phog

From Twitter

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ssaye2

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9591680,00.html

Exeter Chiefs have announced that fly-half Gareth Steenson has signed a new three-year contract with the Premiership club.

jacothelad

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9591680,00.html

Exeter Chiefs have announced that fly-half Gareth Steenson has signed a new three-year contract with the Premiership club.

Quelle surprise....

armchaircoach

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Nigel Wray believes Premiership referees should be employed by the competition's clubs, rather than the Rugby Football Union.
"The club game needs to employ its own referees," Wray told BBC Sport.
"Their decisions influence the game enormously. We need to tell them the sort of game we want played - which has to be attractive to the customer."
Wray says he is not questioning the quality of the RFU's referees but believes the same officials, employed by the Premiership's 12 clubs, would be able to help deliver a more appealing product.

"At the end of the day, we're in the entertainment business. We're trying to get the audience who have not yet come - if they don't have a clue about any of the decisions, how are we going to persuade them to watch?"

"They can be the same referees, but we need to employ them," Wray said.
"During the week the referees could go into schools, teach, encourage other referees and become full pros."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/30196682

Thoughts on this? No thanks. Some referee's who are pro's are employed by their unions, Peter Fitzgibbon etc but totally disagree on clubs employing the referees

Surely just let them. They'll get the shock of their lives when after playing with 'entertainment rules ' for a few weeks they suddenly have to revert to 'normal refs ' for European games.

.ak

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9591680,00.html

Exeter Chiefs have announced that fly-half Gareth Steenson has signed a new three-year contract with the Premiership club.

Fair play to him. I actually think if he was playing in Ireland he'd be getting caps though.

thomond2006

Glasgow have signed up Strauss and Nakarawa until 2017. That's brilliant news as I'm sure there were offers for both from elsewhere.

Pudsy33

thomond2006 wrote: »

Glasgow have signed up Strauss and Nakarawa until 2017. That's brilliant news as I'm sure there were offers for both from elsewhere.

Great news for the league. Nakawara especially would be a hit anywhere.

thomond2006

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Great news for the league. Nakawara especially would be a hit anywhere.

I wouldn't have minded Nakarawa arriving at Munster once POC and DOC are gone. You could probably put him in the back row as well.

bilston

.ak wrote: »

Fair play to him. I actually think if he was playing in Ireland he'd be getting caps though.

He is probably at a similar level to Madigan, Jackson and Keatley, different attributes to Madigan admittedly. He would definitely be starting for Connacht if he came back, actually on his day he could be starting for any of the provinces.

Pudsy33

Watching Steenson now. Very solid. Exeter play a great offloading game.

matthew8

Very impressive from Exeter considering this is largely their second team.

Good game to watch to be honest.

3 Irish lads at Exeter all playing well.

Castrogiovanni isn't a fan of Cockerill

http://balls.ie/rugby/castrogiovanni-storms-leicester-press-conference-deliver-sensational-quotes/

Quote of the year from Martin Castrogiovanni on Richard Cockerill: “I don’t hate anyone. Peace and love. I just don’t like *****.”

Seems legit

razorblunt

thomond2006 wrote: »

Glasgow have signed up Strauss and Nakarawa until 2017. That's brilliant news as I'm sure there were offers for both from elsewhere.

That puts Strauss into contention for a Scottish cap too, poor ol Denton's days are numbered at 8 for them I reckon.

.ak

Funny but not exactly SFW!

croket

for those who are interested, there are squads of the 3 main leagues of Eastern Europe

Romanian Super Liga, full professional since 2011, most of players from Romania national team are playing in Super Liga, also each team have approx. 10 foreign players.
http://estxv.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_9.html

Russian Professional Rugby League, also full professional, but 2 teams, Enisey-STM and Krasny Yar (both from Krasnoyarsk) had impressive squad in comparaison of others teams. VVA Saracens, the team from Yuri Gagarin Air Force Academy, who is a partner of Saracens since last year, is the other team from the big 3. All players from Russia national team (apart Ostrikov and Kulemin) are from PRL
http://estxv.blogspot.fr/p/prl-russie.html

Georgian Liga Umaghlesi, mostly amateur teams, some players from the national team (most of the national team plays in France), some very rare foreigner, south african lock Nieuwenhuizen and georgians capped for neighboring countries. There are also georgians back to Georgia after playing in France, England, Russia or Romania
http://estxv.blogspot.fr/p/umaghlesi-georgie.html

.ak

I've never seen this video before. Class.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=630015500442228

ionadnapokot

:mad:It was on tv in NZ. Then Umaga & Mealamu did what they did

.ak

Yeah makes you wonder how well he would've played.

But that looks class, gonna try and get the lads to do it at training.

Buer

It was a pretty big campaign in advance of the 2005 tour. The shortened version was on Sky regularly. Adidas were all over that tour. I think it's the only professional our to date where the same company has been supplier to both the Lions and the hosts.

errlloyd

Why did he tackle Stephen Jones first!

I love the concept of that ad, but I think they could have done a much better job shooting it.

sydthebeat

.ak wrote: »

I've never seen this video before. Class.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=630015500442228

thats "bulldog" ....

use it with the u7s every saturday morning great craic

Yeah_Right

Loved that ad. Wonder how much of it was scripted and how much was a real game of bullrush. Loved it when Richie misses the tackle on Kelleher, looks all pissed off, then smashes him the next time.

Loved bullrush. So many schools in NZ banned it because of injuries.

Swiwi.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Loved that ad. Wonder how much of it was scripted and how much was a real game of bullrush. Loved it when Richie misses the tackle on Kelleher, looks all pissed off, then smashes him the next time.

Loved bullrush. So many schools in NZ banned it because of injuries.

Ah bull rush. Classic "playtime" entertainment in nz. Along with force 'm back, touch rugby, even league we'd play at school. Those were the days (tear in eye)

We used to play a game with a tennis ball where whoever had the tennis ball would get murdered by everyone else. People formed impromptu teams made of a few people so they could throw it. It made no sense.

Buer

Swiwi. wrote: »

Ah bull rush. Classic "playtime" entertainment in nz. Along with force 'm back, touch rugby, even league we'd play at school. Those were the days (tear in eye)

On DNS we had a simpler version called "Catch and Bash".

The rules are self explanatory but, for the less gifted, someone shouted a name and everyone ran after that person. When they caught him they proceeded to beat seven shades of ****e out of him.

Good times. Good times.

justsomebloke

Deleted User wrote: »

We used to play a game with a tennis ball where whoever had the tennis ball would get murdered by everyone else. People formed impromptu teams made of a few people so they could throw it. It made no sense.

ah Murder ball and first year hazing in Secondary school by the 6th years.

sydthebeat

http://balls.ie/rugby/161745-new-zealand-try-of-the-year/

fekitoa wins NZs try of the year.... doing it all by himself

edit: DONT WATCH #9 !!!!

Swiwi.

sydthebeat wrote: »

http://balls.ie/rugby/161745-new-zealand-try-of-the-year/

fekitoa wins NZs try of the year.... doing it all by himself

edit: DONT WATCH #9 !!!!

Ah yeah, that was a great try! Watching that game live I just about shot my load so as to speak. I liked the Anscombe try too, that was an incredible comeback win (or ?draw) by the Chiefs.

Hagz

.ak wrote: »

But that looks class, gonna try and get the lads to do it at training.

This was part an parcel of training where I went to school. To be honest, if it was a legitimate sport I'd be tempted to play it instead of rugby. It's extremely enjoyable, plus I think it provides genuine insight to coaches.

sydthebeat

Swiwi. wrote: »

Ah yeah, that was a great try! Watching that game live I just about shot my load so as to speak. I liked the Anscombe try too, that was an incredible comeback win (or ?draw) by the Chiefs.

i still am not over how the highlanders crusaders game finished up

barretts try, what game was that from, i dont remember it?

edit: found it, it was the home game v the 'canes

.ak

Hagz wrote: »

This was part an parcel of training where I went to school. To be honest, if it was a legitimate sport I'd be tempted to play it instead of rugby. It's extremely enjoyable, plus I think it provides genuine insight to coaches.

I remember doing something similar, but more in a broken field setting. Never standing on a line facing each other like that. Looks like great craic.

Swiwi.

sydthebeat wrote: »

i still am not over how the highlanders crusaders game finished up

barretts try, what game was that from, i dont remember it?

edit: found it, it was the home game v the 'canes

Good to see Malakai scoring off the field too.

Buer

Which one of them is wearing more make up?!

Swiwi.

Buer wrote: »

Which one of them is wearing more make up?!

Nah Buer, that was Ma'a Nonu...

Philo Beddoe

Question for Off The Ball listeners:

Does Keith Wood use any adverbs other than 'incredibly' or 'unbelievably'?

Piliger

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

Question for Off The Ball listeners:

Does Keith Wood use any adverbs other than 'incredibly' or 'unbelievably'?

Question two .. are any of the panellists capable of answering a question without prefixing it with "Absolutely ......

molloyjh

Eh.....

thomond2006

molloyjh wrote: »

Eh.....

Matt Giteau to sign for another team as a Christmas present? Fingers crossed Munster. :cool:

molloyjh

thomond2006 wrote: »

Matt Giteau to sign for another team as a Christmas present? Fingers crossed Munster. :cool:

You'd never be allowed to use the ladyboy phrase again if that's the case!

CatFromHue

That's quite a creepy photo, it's as if a domineering mother/aunt has made them do it as they'll look adorable!

Tox56

CatFromHue wrote: »

That's quite a creepy photo, it's as if a domineering mother/aunt has made them do it as they'll look adorable!

I believe his name is Mourad