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clsmooth · 12-12-2014 9:27pm

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

Question for Off The Ball listeners:

Does Keith Wood use any adverbs other than 'incredibly' or 'unbelievably'?

When Gerry's in its as if you can throw a blanket over them. Its like broadcasting with your big brother,her has that much of an effect of the team.

pickarooney · 12-12-2014 9:45pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

thats "bulldog" ....

use it with the u7s every saturday morning great craic

"Epervier" here. Likewise used with the smallies and regrettably discontinued after u-12s.

its_phil · 12-12-2014 9:57pm

Re the Adidas ad

If I ever got the chance to ask BOD one question and one question only, it would be who got tackled first at the end and lost?

We use to play that at school during study breaks. Got banned because it was everyone from 3rd year to 6th year playing and they there was one too many broken arms! Loved it though, particularly if there was someone annoying you at the time you could single them out

Swiwi. · 13-12-2014 12:21am

pickarooney wrote: »

"Epervier" here. Likewise used with the smallies and regrettably discontinued after u-12s.

Well that's my french word of the day done & dusted. Cheers pickarooney!

badknees · 13-12-2014 1:02am

Just having an idle thought.Does anyone else think that Rugby League techniques are creeping into Union more and more? The choke tackle when you look at it is a league tackle ie tackle up high and then prevent the attacker going forward and passing the ball .Then you have a tackled player instead of going for the traditional Union offload going to ground,and a scrum half then passing the ball to a player who then repeats and repeats etc.Mauls Rucks and Scrums could become very dated in a few years.Just a thought mind you.

Pudsy33 · 13-12-2014 1:16am

The choke tackle is a league technique in one sense, but without the maul it would be useless. The quick offload/recycling method is something I've noticed alright, particularly with the Aussies.

The Lost Sheep · 13-12-2014 1:22am

badknees wrote: »

Just having an idle thought.Does anyone else think that Rugby League techniques are creeping into Union more and more? The choke tackle when you look at it is a league tackle ie tackle up high and then prevent the attacker going forward and passing the ball .Then you have a tackled player instead of going for the traditional Union offload going to ground,and a scrum half then passing the ball to a player who then repeats and repeats etc.Mauls Rucks and Scrums could become very dated in a few years.Just a thought mind you.

There has been a good bit of influence from Rugby League on Union in recent years. Look at backgrounds of quite a few defence coaches. Many have played and/or coached league at some stage.
Choke Tackle is quite similar to in league but I totally disagree with you on saying rucks/mauls/scrums becoming out dated. How do you think that? In what ways will they?

badknees · 13-12-2014 1:50am

One has only to,look at the recent laws re the scrum you know the one about the 'hit' look at the maul which not too long was being allowed to be pulled to the ground.ultimately one could argue that these influences are just passing fancies but I think that there is a slippery slope approaching.Our game is being driven by a bunch of chubes who want to see a watered down version of our game .BT sport is a good example of this.I don't know if you watched the Bath vMontpellier game but the whole commentary seemed to be about a rugby league player who was terrible.He no doubt is the future of rugby,and on that note I will leave you with this little thought,when the rich club owners decide that the game needs changing then it will be changed,rucks and mauls will be at the whim of some rich chube.

The Lost Sheep · 13-12-2014 2:00am

badknees wrote: »

One has only to,look at the recent laws re the scrum you know the one about the 'hit' look at the maul which not too long was being allowed to be pulled to the ground.ultimately one could argue that these influences are just passing fancies but I think that there is a slippery slope approaching.Our game is being driven by a bunch of chubes who want to see a watered down version of our game .BT sport is a good example of this.I don't know if you watched the Bath vMontpellier game but the whole commentary seemed to be about a rugby league player who was terrible.He no doubt is the future of rugby,and on that note I will leave you with this little thought,when the rich club owners decide that the game needs changing then it will be changed,rucks and mauls will be at the whim of some rich chube.

That is nonsense. I did watch the Barf game on BT and yes how they were going on about Burgess was ridiculous but your overall point is nonsense.
The laws changes have helped the game. The maul was only allowed to be pulled down for one season and that was it. IRB sensibly saw it as foolish for that to continue. What slippery slope are we approaching?
Who are all these fools running the game? The rich guys you are on about will not be let and just will not dictate what goes on in terms of the laws of the sport.

Piliger · 13-12-2014 2:10am

badknees wrote: »

Just having an idle thought.Does anyone else think that Rugby League techniques are creeping into Union more and more? The choke tackle when you look at it is a league tackle ie tackle up high and then prevent the attacker going forward and passing the ball .Then you have a tackled player instead of going for the traditional Union offload going to ground,and a scrum half then passing the ball to a player who then repeats and repeats etc.Mauls Rucks and Scrums could become very dated in a few years.Just a thought mind you.

No. They're not league techniques at all. And pick and go has been around for decades.

irishbucsfan · 13-12-2014 5:42am

Piliger wrote: »

No. They're not league techniques at all. And pick and go has been around for decades.

Well the choke tackle was introduced to the Irish setup by a League coach.

Hagz · 13-12-2014 1:42pm

This is hard to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsRUwkT7Dos

razorblunt · 13-12-2014 1:56pm

^^^ jeez that's unfortunate, not a clue where he was.

razorblunt · 13-12-2014 2:27pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Loved that ad. Wonder how much of it was scripted and how much was a real game of bullrush. Loved it when Richie misses the tackle on Kelleher, looks all pissed off, then smashes him the next time.

Loved bullrush. So many schools in NZ banned it because of injuries.

Kelleher did set him up though he told mccaw he'd take the tackle one side and skipped to the other, in the retake he got nailed.

Molester Stallone II · 13-12-2014 4:56pm

Now that a kick!
http://www.espn.co.uk/blogs/rugby/story/250823.html

Jacovs · 13-12-2014 5:01pm

Wonder was it planned. Big fight going on between Port Elizabeth and Cape Town to host the 7's from 2016. Couldve been someone wanted to show security at Nelson Mandela Bay stadium isnt up to standard.

Or could just be an idiot.

CatFromHue · 13-12-2014 5:01pm

It says the invader tackled him and the US had the ball!

Should have kicked him harder if you ask me.

Morf · 14-12-2014 2:09am

Hagz wrote: »

This is hard to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsRUwkT7Dos

I'd say the person directing the feed will have quite a grilling to face for not cutting the audio feed for so long a time.

Poor chap, hope it's a swift and full recovery.

b.gud · 14-12-2014 11:19am

Morf wrote: »

I'd say the person directing the feed will have quite a grilling to face for not cutting the audio feed for so long a time.

Poor chap, hope it's a swift and full recovery.

Read somewhere that he later tweeted that he was fine

b.gud · 14-12-2014 11:23am

Nice tactics from Hines

https://twitter.com/vern_cotter/status/543857132094099458

CatFromHue · 14-12-2014 1:20pm

Seemingly Declan Kidney might be interested in replacing Brian Smith at London Irish at the end of the season.

A reports in The Rugby Paper says Smith is going to return to Australia leaving London Irish to look for a new head honcho. Former Ireland coach Declan Kidney is favourite to replace Smith with the Exiles also reportedly looking at Chiefs assistant coach Tom Coventry's CV.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/250897.html#r5HZDH1p9h1QLiXj.99

its_phil · 14-12-2014 1:21pm

b.gud wrote: »

Nice tactics from Hines
https://twitter.com/vern_cotter/status/543857132094099458

I'd be hoping some schools coaches took note of that, exactly the type of thing you see in cup rugby

Buer · 14-12-2014 1:35pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Seemingly Declan Kidney might be interested in replacing Brian Smith at London Irish at the end of the season.

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/250897.html#r5HZDH1p9h1QLiXj.99

That'd be a really surprising move. DK always struck me as an absolute home bird. He's 56 next year and, aside from literally a few months with the Dragons, has never worked outside of Ireland.

CatFromHue · 14-12-2014 1:37pm

I think he could be swayed by the bright lights of London.....

It'd certainly be nicer than Brigend or Pontypridd anyway!

Buer · 14-12-2014 1:39pm

ESPN reporting that Racing are expected to confirm the arrival of Dan Carter next week ahead of next season.

Wouldn't think it's a great move. He's nearly always injured, will cost outrageous money and will be 33. They'd be better off working with what they have and trying to bring in a top class 12 instead of the waste of space that is Jamie Roberts.

.ak · 14-12-2014 1:47pm

Buer wrote: »

ESPN reporting that Racing are expected to confirm the arrival of Dan Carter next week ahead of next season.

Wouldn't think it's a great move. He's nearly always injured, will cost outrageous money and will be 33. They'd be better off working with what they have and trying to bring in a top class 12 instead of the waste of space that is Jamie Roberts.

He'll sell them tickets and merch tho.

errlloyd · 14-12-2014 1:50pm

Love to play against him in Europe.

wp_rathead · 14-12-2014 1:55pm

Wanted try make a Inter-Pro Table but having alot of trouble with how to code it

Could someone who knows what they are doing be able fixer up for me please.. all the data is in there

figured out what I was doing wrong, here we go:
Team|P|W|D|L|PF|PA|Diff|TF|TA|TBP|LBP|Pts
Munster|2|2|0|0|55|43|12|5|3|0|0|8
Connacht|1|1|0|0|10|9|1|1|0|0|0|4
Ulster|1|0|0|1|20|21|-1|1|2|0|1|1
Leinster|2|0|0|2|32|44|-12|2|4|0|1|1

CatFromHue · 14-12-2014 1:56pm

He did well when he was at Perpignan anyway........

Buer · 14-12-2014 2:06pm

Wasps score first try after 3 minutes.

thomond2006 · 14-12-2014 8:41pm

Buer wrote: »

ESPN reporting that Racing are expected to confirm the arrival of Dan Carter next week ahead of next season.

Wouldn't think it's a great move. He's nearly always injured, will cost outrageous money and will be 33. They'd be better off working with what they have and trying to bring in a top class 12 instead of the waste of space that is Jamie Roberts.

Commerical sense? Yes. Rugby sense? No.

Racing will have Remi Tales and Johan Goosen who are both good 10s. Goosen can cover fullback but Brice Dulin is the starter there.

Swiwi. · 14-12-2014 8:44pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Commerical sense? Yes. Rugby sense? No.

Racing will have Remi Tales and Johan Goosen who are both good 10s. Goosen can cover fullback but Brice Dulin is the starter there.

Yeah he can sell his salary's worth in underwear and calendars. Otherwise I agree with Buer. I'll be happy if he survives this SXV season unscathed.

matthew8 · 14-12-2014 8:45pm

Long may Racing continue to sign big name players who won't live up to expectations. Otherwise we could have another Toulon.

errlloyd · 14-12-2014 8:48pm

Tbh, you'd think they'd learn Leinster's lesson, you can't replace Jonny Sexton with overrated Kiwi Journeymen.

scouserT · 14-12-2014 8:56pm

According to one bio I read (possibly Trevor Brennan's) Carter was virtually boarding an aircraft destined to play for Saint Mary's college in the AIL when he had finished, only to be offered contract in his home country.

How different things could have been.

A case of Sliding Doors (the movie).

scouserT · 14-12-2014 9:05pm

According to one bio I read (possibly Trevor Brennan's) Carter was virtually boarding an aircraft destined to play for Saint Mary's college in the AIL when he had finished school, only to be offered contract in his home country at last minute.

How different things could have been.

A case of Sliding Doors (the movie).

Fireball07 · 14-12-2014 11:13pm

wprathead wrote: »

Wanted try make a Inter-Pro Table but having alot of trouble with how to code it
Could someone who knows what they are doing be able fixer up for me please.. all the data is in there

figured out what I was doing wrong, here we go:
Team|P|W|D|L|PF|PA|Diff|TF|TA|TBP|LBP|Pts
Munster|2|2|0|0|55|43|12|5|3|0|0|8
Connacht|1|1|0|0|10|9|1|1|0|0|0|4
Ulster|1|0|0|1|20|21|-1|1|2|0|1|1
Leinster|2|0|0|2|32|44|-12|2|4|0|1|1

For interest's sake, here is how the interpros table would have looked at the end of season (regular league games only).

Team|P|W|D|L|PF|PA|Diff|TF|TA|TBP|LBP|Pts
Leinster|6|5|0|1|110|84|26|5|4|0|1|21
Ulster|6|4|0|2|150|96|54|14|10|1|1|18
Munster|6|3|0|3|127|124|3|11|8|1|2|15
Connacht|6|0|0|6|79|162|-83|9|17|0|2|2

So Leinster won the interpros last year, winning 5/6 games, only scoring 5 tries. That is an impressive stats... I mean they only conceded 4 and only conceding an average of 14 points a game is very good.

Connacht didn't even win one game last year, I actually didn't realise that... Ulster gave them an awful hammering. Ulster lost to Leinster twice, won the rest. (Still have nightmares about their 2 wins over Munster)

shuffol · 15-12-2014 12:33am

Wouldn't this be a surprise

http://www.espn.co.uk/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/250897.html

CatFromHue · 15-12-2014 12:45am

Kidney is only in his mid 50's (55 to be exact) so there could be interest from him on it.

thomond2006 · 15-12-2014 9:17pm

This is Rugby Transferts' summary of transfers in France: http://www.rugby-transferts.com/top-14/tableau-transferts-rugby-top-14.html

Not many confirmed moves yet which is why there are so many moves marked as possible. Most of the possible moves won't happen but it's interesting to imagine nonetheless. The whole world is being linked with Toulon! :pac:

Swiwi. · 15-12-2014 10:21pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

This is Rugby Transferts' summary of transfers in France: http://www.rugby-transferts.com/top-14/tableau-transferts-rugby-top-14.html

Not many confirmed moves yet which is why there are so many moves marked as possible. Most of the possible moves won't happen but it's interesting to imagine nonetheless. The whole world is being linked with Toulon! :pac:

Hmmm. Carter maybe, Faumuina came out say not going anywhere at this stage. Nonu maybe. Ben Smith signed until 2017 I think, no way he's going anywhere. Retallick has hardly got going, I'd say he's got Lions 2017 as a minimum in his sights (and I think he has contract until 2017). Tameifuna may well side with Tonga and move. Conrad Smith has publicly stated he wants to stay in NZ I think, he has a career in law ahead of him.

NZRFU has done extraordinarily well IMO to keep ABs in NZ, last remotely big loss was Rene Ranger, even then he was fringe, and even then he had serious second thoughts...but had signed on the line, and NZRFU wasn't going to buy him out.

If I had to put money on 1 player moving it would be Nonu or Tameifuna.

15-12-2014 10:54pm

Toulon basically linked with each and every international player in the SH.

Piliger · 16-12-2014 12:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

Toulon basically linked with each and every international player in the SH.

We may be seeing the beginning of the end of successful sub-international rugby in the celtic countries of these islands and the prevention of it developing in the rest of Europe outside France.

If nothing is done by the IRB to stop the uncontrolled spending in France and England, then this trend will continue to get worse and worse.

Swiwi. · 16-12-2014 6:40am

In other news, Hansen has been re-appointed through to 2017. I agree with this

1) Can't fault his record
2) RWC isn't be all and end all. Only need the combination of untimely injuries, an inspired opposition, and a few dodgy ref calls, and you can be out of the tournament. Doesn't make the coach or team poor overnight.
3) Hansen v Schmidt 2017: it's still on!

molloyjh · 16-12-2014 10:00am

Swiwi. wrote: »

2) RWC isn't be all and end all. Only need the combination of untimely injuries, an inspired opposition, and a few dodgy ref calls, and you can be out of the tournament. Doesn't make the coach or team poor overnight.

Getting the excuses in early I see Swiwi. Sure we have to beat you at some stage and we may as well do in the RWC final. If a few refereeing decisions go our way so be it...

accidentprone1 · 16-12-2014 10:14am

Swiwi. wrote: »

In other news, Hansen has been re-appointed through to 2017. I agree with this

1) Can't fault his record
2) RWC isn't be all and end all. Only need the combination of untimely injuries, an inspired opposition, and a few dodgy ref calls, and you can be out of the tournament. Doesn't make the coach or team poor overnight.
3) Hansen v Schmidt 2017: it's still on!

Hmm, isn't that when Schmidt's contract ends?

16-12-2014 10:16am

accidentprone1 wrote: »

Hmm, isn't that when Schmidt's contract ends?

I think he's referring to the Lions tour. Schmidt will have imploded by then and we will be demanding his head :pac:

Swiwi. · 16-12-2014 10:26am

molloyjh wrote: »

Getting the excuses in early I see Swiwi. Sure we have to beat you at some stage and we may as well do in the RWC final. If a few refereeing decisions go our way so be it...

He he. Only being realistic actually. The RWC is a lottery to a certain extent: teams can do all they want, but Sexton gets injured, Argentina play a blinder, a video ref rules out a marginal Irish try, and there is a dodgy YC decision...and you could be heading home. You can only control so much.

16-12-2014 10:45am

Swiwi. wrote: »

...
2) RWC isn't be all and end all. Only need the combination of untimely injuries, an inspired opposition, and a few dodgy ref calls, and you can be out of the tournament. Doesn't make the coach or team poor overnight.
...

Or a few of these to win it!

Cheese Wagstaff · 16-12-2014 11:27am

Swiwi. wrote: »

Hmmm. Carter maybe, Faumuina came out say not going anywhere at this stage. Nonu maybe. Ben Smith signed until 2017 I think, no way he's going anywhere. Retallick has hardly got going, I'd say he's got Lions 2017 as a minimum in his sights (and I think he has contract until 2017). Tameifuna may well side with Tonga and move. Conrad Smith has publicly stated he wants to stay in NZ I think, he has a career in law ahead of him.

NZRFU has done extraordinarily well IMO to keep ABs in NZ, last remotely big loss was Rene Ranger, even then he was fringe, and even then he had serious second thoughts...but had signed on the line, and NZRFU wasn't going to buy him out.

If I had to put money on 1 player moving it would be Nonu or Tameifuna.

Didn't they say on "Against the Head" a few weeks ago that it was confirmed that Nonu was going to Toulon after the WC? Contract supposedly signed etc?

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