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sydneybound · 18-01-2015 9:32am

sydneybound wrote: »

Wasps have already sold over 15,000 for the game against Leinster with 9 days still to go.

http://www.wasps.co.uk/news/article/2015/01/15/over-15-000-tickets-sold-for-wasps-european-clash-against-leinster

So the crowds they've had since moving are 28,254 and 15,343 and the Leinster game will be close 20,000 I'd say. Crazy to think their biggest home crowd last year at Adams Park was 7,000 against Leicester.

At this point they've sold over 17,000 tickets they'll get to over 20,000 easy enough.

Some turnaround for Wasps!

bilston · 18-01-2015 10:04am

errlloyd wrote: »

I think it's amazing how close to a South African starting 15 we could get in Ireland.

Weibhan Herbst
Richardt Strauss
BJ Botha
Franco van de Merwe
Quinn Roux
Robbie Diack
CJ Stander

Ruan Pieenar

Gerhard Van Den Heveer
Pat Howard
Danie Poolman
Louis Ludik
Zane Kirchener

a 7 and a 10 away from a team (with a few subs)

Well if everyone is happy to play Diack at 7 and Stander at 6, I am more than happy for Ulster to take Duane Vermulen to finalise the forward pack! Just in the interests of this mythical team you understand!

Taco Corp · 18-01-2015 10:30am

ouncer wrote: »

Knew there was a statement that was bugging me. Scrums create space on the pitch. Are you kidding me. Scrums kill the game and at best allow teams to reset their formations. Scrums create nothing, they just add to an injury list. Both teams get a breather while the big boys muck about for the benefit of the paying public

You could always watch League

.ak · 18-01-2015 10:58am

ouncer wrote: »

Knew there was a statement that was bugging me. Scrums create space on the pitch. Are you kidding me. Scrums kill the game and at best allow teams to reset their formations. Scrums create nothing, they just add to an injury list. Both teams get a breather while the big boys muck about for the benefit of the paying public

As a back I can tell you scrums certainly do create space on the pitch. It's much harder to defend off a scrum and in attack we have far more space and time to perform a backline move.

Look at this way, when you're defending you're 10 meters off the line, with about 6 meters between you and the next defender. In rugby terms that's a sea of space. Oddly enough I reckon the backs enjoy scrums more than anyone else!

connemara man · 18-01-2015 11:18am

Ouncer Connachts third try v Munster came because of the space created by a scrum. Connacht stacked the space right hand side drawing all defenders over giving Marmion the space to go down the blindside to practically the try line when we bundled over 2 phases later

http://youtu.be/6m_sBdPVSs8

Buer · 18-01-2015 6:29pm

Apparently Geordan Murphy is in talks with Wasps to take over as attack coach for them. I thought he'd be a Tiger for life. Something not right at Welford Road.

Buer · 19-01-2015 1:09pm

Midi Olympique reporting that both Du Plessis brothers are going to Montpellier after the RWC along with Nic White. Also say that Toulon are close to securing Duane Vermeulen. Jerone Kaino being tracked by a few sides including Toulouse, Bath and Leicester.

WinnyThePoo · 19-01-2015 1:11pm

Jesus. Vermeulen could be going to Toulon. Some backrow.

irishbucsfan · 19-01-2015 1:12pm

Buer wrote: »

Apparently Geordan Murphy is in talks with Wasps to take over as attack coach for them. I thought he'd be a Tiger for life. Something not right at Welford Road.

This is a continuation of the same problem that saw MOC decide to leave them, some bad decisions were made out that way.

Murphy however will have a lot of firepower at his disposal next season. Hope he develops into a top quality coach.

sydthebeat · 19-01-2015 1:42pm

http://balls.ie/rugby/video-blatant-diving-rugby-toulouses-yoann-huget-now-public-enemy-no-1/

probably a bit of contact but nothing to make him go down in that manner

.ak · 19-01-2015 1:43pm

I thought Clancy should've spoken to him about it, he clearly saw it on TV.

RuggieBear · 19-01-2015 2:19pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

http://balls.ie/rugby/video-blatant-diving-rugby-toulouses-yoann-huget-now-public-enemy-no-1/

probably a bit of contact but nothing to make him go down in that manner

he's a winger though...closest thing to soccer players on the rugby field!:pac:

Yeah_Right · 19-01-2015 2:55pm

Buer wrote: »

Jerone Kaino being tracked by a few sides including Toulouse, Bath and Leicester.

Please no!! Kaino has to stay in NZ until after the Lions tour.
Unless he goes to an Irish club, then it will be ok.

.ak · 19-01-2015 3:06pm

RuggieBear wrote: »

he's a winger though...closest thing to soccer players on the rugby field!:pac:

You mean with our devilish good looks and fast cars and fast women?

It's a hard life to deal with, so you know we're sensitive souls.

RuggieBear · 19-01-2015 3:25pm

.ak wrote: »

You mean with our devilish good looks and fast cars and fast women?

It's a hard life to deal with, so you know we're sensitive souls.

I knew there was something a bit off about you....

.ak · 19-01-2015 3:28pm

RuggieBear wrote: »

I knew there was something a bit off about you....

Okay I lied about the fast car and I only the one girlfriend, but the rest is absolutely honest. :cool:

CatFromHue · 19-01-2015 3:41pm

Would it be fair to say Huget likes a bit of the niggly stuff?

It doesn't surprise me that he took a dive anyway.

.ak · 19-01-2015 3:48pm

Haha, do you remember him winding up Farrell in the 2013 6n?

Swiwi. · 19-01-2015 4:24pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Please no!! Kaino has to stay in NZ until after the Lions tour.
Unless he goes to an Irish club, then it will be ok.

It's hardly breaking news that clubs are interested in Kaino. The NZRFU will make a good offer and then we see. With a lot of senior ABs moving on there should be a decent war chest but if money is Kaino main motivation then he will find better pay outside of nz for sure.

thomond2006 · 19-01-2015 5:00pm

Narbonne, two points off the relegation zone in ProD2, have just signed Jerry Collins. Yes, that Jerry Collins!

http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/pro-d2/2014-2015/transfert-narbonne-arrivee-de-jerry-collins-comme-joker-medical_sto4553531/story.shtml

Hopefully this means Collins is going well these days. I remember hearing about some incidents in Japan.

irishbucsfan · 19-01-2015 5:21pm

Narbonne are one of my favourite clubs, their fans are bonkers. One of the highlights of the final most years is bumping into them marauding around the place.

Buer · 19-01-2015 5:32pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Narbonne are one of my favourite clubs, their fans are bonkers.

Now their players are too.

sydthebeat · 19-01-2015 5:56pm

so surprised hes still only 34!!!

CatFromHue · 19-01-2015 8:01pm

Has Collins even been playing for the last year?

thomond2006 · 19-01-2015 8:10pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Has Collins even been playing for the last year?

No

thomond2006 · 19-01-2015 8:19pm

Legit or I'm sooooooooo soooooooooooo sorry?

I sincerely apologise for my inappropriate simulation which does not reflect myself and the values of rugby.

https://twitter.com/Huget14/status/557235084663984128

Swiwi. · 19-01-2015 8:34pm

I would love to see a YC in such situations.

sydthebeat · 19-01-2015 8:37pm

Swiwi. wrote: »

I would love to see a YC in such situations.

Hard one to call.

Unless there's a clear "no contact" dive which is easily seen on TMO.
But refs aren't medics, and won't be able to determine event of injury....

bilston · 19-01-2015 8:39pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

so surprised hes still only 34!!!

No feckin' way!!

Swiwi. · 19-01-2015 8:48pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Hard one to call.

Unless there's a clear "no contact" dive which is easily seen on TMO.
But refs aren't medics, and won't be able to determine event of injury....

Ah, I reckon that was obvious. I'm pretty sure one of the laws would allow a YC for such offences. I mean if you look at it the other way, what would the Bath supporters have felt if Clancy had got out a card for the Bath player for foul play on Huget?

It should be immediately stamped out in rugby.

sydthebeat · 19-01-2015 8:51pm

Agree it should be immediately stamped out, I just wonder if public embarrassment after the fact is a good enough way to do it.

sydneybound · 19-01-2015 9:25pm

I think you have to stamp out diving straight away.

In the case of Huget he should be cited and receive a one or two week ban. Might sound very harsh but you have nip these things in the bud.

.ak · 19-01-2015 10:35pm

Technically a ref can penalise anything they consider an act of unsporting nature.

irishbucsfan · 20-01-2015 3:28am

.ak wrote: »

Technically a ref can penalise anything they consider an act of unsporting nature.

But the disciplinary board can't randomly ban people for the same reason, nor should they be able to really.

.ak · 20-01-2015 8:59am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

But the disciplinary board can't randomly ban people for the same reason, nor should they be able to really.

Are you sure? There's precedent for it isn't there, players bringing the game into disrepute? Delon recently? Wasn't douggie for the car hopping?

Yeah_Right · 20-01-2015 10:01am

.ak wrote: »

Are you sure? There's precedent for it isn't there, players bringing the game into disrepute? Delon recently? Wasn't douggie for the car hopping?

I wonder if the ref could call it a professional foul and penalise (even card) him for that.

.ak · 20-01-2015 10:10am

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I wonder if the ref could call it a professional foul and penalise (even card) him for that.

I don't see why not. Like the time Care threw the match ball into the crowd to prevent Ireland from taking a quick line out. He was shown yellow, presumably for an act of an unsporting nature. There's nothing in the law book that says he can't do that.

thomond2006 · 20-01-2015 10:38am

Ben Franks to LI confirmed

Buer · 20-01-2015 11:19am

.ak wrote: »

I don't see why not. Like the time Care threw the match ball into the crowd to prevent Ireland from taking a quick line out. He was shown yellow, presumably for an act of an unsporting nature. There's nothing in the law book that says he can't do that.

Law 10.4 (n)

Misconduct while the ball is out of play. A player, must not, while the ball is out of play, commit any misconduct, or obstruct or in any way interfere with an opponent.

.ak · 20-01-2015 11:22am

Buer wrote: »

Law 10.4 (n)

Misconduct while the ball is out of play. A player, must not, while the ball is out of play, commit any misconduct, or obstruct or in any way interfere with an opponent.

But point taken!

Scythica · 20-01-2015 12:35pm

London Irish have signed Franks on a 3 year deal. Not a bad signing at all. Gareth Anscombe named in the Wales squad too! Could be interesting

irishbucsfan · 20-01-2015 1:53pm

Another classic from Tony Ward, including Seanie in his team of the week for last week.

shuffol · 20-01-2015 1:54pm

And Conan in the 2nd row.

Demented Mole has a new piece out too

http://dementedmole.com/2015/01/20/the-age-of-aquarius/#more-4013

ssaye2 · 20-01-2015 2:08pm

Saw that from Ward - Classic

Yeah_Right · 20-01-2015 2:09pm

.ak wrote: »

I don't see why not. Like the time Care threw the match ball into the crowd to prevent Ireland from taking a quick line out. He was shown yellow, presumably for an act of an unsporting nature. There's nothing in the law book that says he can't do that.

You just reminded me. A similar thing happened to Drew Mitchell in a test match. What made it even worse was he had already received a YC earlier in the match so he got sent off for preventing a quick lineout!!

CatFromHue · 20-01-2015 2:16pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

You just reminded me. A similar thing happened to Drew Mitchell in a test match. What made it even worse was he had already received a YC earlier in the match so he got sent off for preventing a quick lineout!!

Was that a NZ v Oz game?

Cos I think the Oz Captain went to the ref to complain that the Kiwi's were stopping them from taking any quick throws.

Yeah_Right · 20-01-2015 2:57pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Was that a NZ v Oz game?

Cos I think the Oz Captain went to the ref to complain that the Kiwi's were stopping them from taking any quick throws.

Yeah it was NZ v Oz. I can't remember what he got the first card for but I seem to remember thinking it was harsh.

You could be right that the Oz captain complained and the ref issued a warning to both captains that the next player to do it was going in the bin. It just happened to be Mitchell. I think the ref even felt bad but basically said "I warned you so tough sh!t."

errlloyd · 20-01-2015 3:04pm

shuffol wrote: »

And Conan in the 2nd row.

Demented Mole has a new piece out too

http://dementedmole.com/2015/01/20/the-age-of-aquarius/#more-4013

Tony Coached Conan at Gerards, surely he knows what position he plays...

.ak · 20-01-2015 3:06pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Another classic from Tony Ward, including Seanie in his team of the week for last week.

lol, wut??

ssaye2 · 20-01-2015 3:07pm

Marcus from LR posted it

https://twitter.com/ohfadabee/status/557466533505802240

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