Netherlands vs. Costa Rica (QF4) 21:00, 5 July

Skylinehead

Turtyturd wrote: »

That joke wasn't funny any of the other times.

Lighten up.

Lapin

Navas named MOTM.

Deservrdly so.

Hotblack Desiato

sonic85 wrote: »

Fair play to the costa ricans they made a right go of it.

Come off it they were crap in everything except getting bodies behind the ball, they excelled at that.

jodaw

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Who do you think the Special One learned all his mind game tricks from?

But now the master will become the student

jaykay74

efb wrote: »

I was going for the picture, I you want a guy with followers:

daraobriain: Ah, that's sad. Not just for the fairy tale ended, but with Krul being such a dick throughout the penalties.

So a comedian on twitter with a lot of followers agrees with you. Thats interesting alright

Paully D

By the way, did Hiddink try similar to bring on his substitute keeper near the end of Australia's game with Uruguay at the 2006 World Cup qualifying play-off but play didn't stop so he couldn't make the change, or is my mind playing tricks on me?

CSF

Van Gaal coming out of tonight appearing to some to be a tactical genius........despite the fact that he couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica.

Hmmm.

jive

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Pathetic stuff from Giles et al re Van Gaal's decision to bring Krul on.

Anything that's innovative scares them.

"Why would you do that Bill?"

Why wouldn't you if you've two 'keepers - One who's better at saving penalties and one who's better generally.

Hardly innovative, saw it in the FAI cup final about three years ago. What annoys me is all these keepers who are good at saving penalties just step about 3 yards off the line then dive outwards as well. Officials on the line and ref at nothing, the saved pens should have been retaken or the rule needs to be scrapped.

Edit: Found a link on RTE. http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/1106/286743-shelbourne_sligorovers_report/ The league of Ireland clubs are the true innovators...

CSF

jive wrote: »

Hardly innovative, saw it in the FAI cup final about three years ago. What annoys me is all these keepers who are good at saving penalties just step about 3 yards off the line then dive outwards as well. Officials on the line and ref at nothing, the saved pens should have been retaken or the rule needs to be scrapped.

It's pretty much the linesman's only job in a peno shootout too

efb

Billy86 wrote: »

No it isnt.

P. 43 onwards.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

slide 56

Billy86

CSF wrote: »

Van Gaal coming out of tonight appearing to some to be a tactical genius........despite the fact that he couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica.

Hmmm.

I suppose his five against Spain will have to suffice, so.

CSF

Billy86 wrote: »

I suppose his five against Spain will have to suffice, so.

They will. The praise that night was far more appropriate than the praise tonight.

bantee

CSF wrote: »

Van Gaal coming out of tonight appearing to some to be a tactical genius........despite the fact that he couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica.

Hmmm.

So it was VG's fault they hit the woodwork 3 times and dominated the game and couldn't score? Mad statement really, he can only set up the team as best he can, down to the players after that.

8-10

CSF wrote: »

Van Gaal coming out of tonight appearing to some to be a tactical genius........despite the fact that he couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica.

Hmmm.

Think that's harsh on Costa Rica. I'm glad they lost and all, but I think they've shown in this tournament that they're no mugs, particularly in topping the group that they did.

efb

Turtyturd wrote: »

That joke wasn't funny any of the other times.

:eek:

efb

Lapin wrote: »

Navas named MOTM.

Deservrdly so.

I voted for him!

Koobcam

This game was almost a carbon copy of the Euro 2000 semi final where the Netherlands hammered Italy, but drew 0-0 and lost on penalties. Glad the outcome was better for them this time-in fairness, Costa Rica were playing for penalties from the start. Pretty amazing substitution as well, I reckon the Costa Ricans must have been expecting the other bloke to be in goal, so probably messed them up a bit mentally

Wilberto

Billy86 wrote: »

No it isnt.

P. 43 onwards.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

I love it when people quote sources that they don't read the whole way through.

If a player acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game.

P.56

Admittedly, it's a bit of a "catch all" term, but Krul's behaviour certainly comes under the remit of it.

namloc1980

CSF wrote: »

Van Gaal coming out of tonight appearing to some to be a tactical genius........despite the fact that he couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica.

Hmmm.

Ah come on in fairness. They hit the woodwork 3 times plus a string of last ditch tackles and excellent goal keeping.

Corholio

I think psyching out the takers from your line or box is fair enough, but going right up to them and doing it lacks class to be honest. Lots of keepers don't do it and still save penalties.

I prefer Holland going through only because it might make a better semi final, but overall they were average tonight against an organised side. Whoever wins this cup will be the least poorest team it's turning out to be.

CSF

bantee wrote: »

So it was VG's fault they hit the woodwork 3 times and dominated the game and couldn't score? Mad statement really, he can only set up the team as best he can, down to the players after that.

I didn't say it was his fault, but it's not a match that the internet should be lauding him with praise over either.

efb

Wilberto wrote: »

I love it when people quote sources that they don't read the whole way through.


P.56

Admittedly, it's a bit of a "catch all" term, but Krul's behaviour certainly comes under the remit of it.

even the one above it: If a player verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart

marco_polo

weisses wrote: »

Ahh they didn't role over ... They where just in the way for 120 minutes

Or do you think Costa Rica going through would be considered deserved ?

Of course not the Dutch were clearly the better team throughout, I am not sure that "deserved" is the correct term for the winners of a penalty shootout anyway, but it would certainly have been far from a far from a disgrace. They made the best use of the resources at their disposal and don't think they should have to apologize for that (Indeed I greatly admire them for it)

EDIT: And I do think the semi final will be all better for the dutch having gone through, as especially after extra time I suspect the CR would have very little left in the tank.

CSF

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ah come on in fairness. They hit the woodwork 3 times plus a string of last ditch tackles and excellent goal keeping.

It's still a bad result over 120 minutes. Not something where the internet should be falling over itself in superlatives afterwards.

Billy86

Wilberto wrote: »

I love it when people quote sources that they don't read the whole way through.


P.56

Admittedly, it's a bit of a "catch all" term, but Krul's behaviour certainly comes under the remit of it.

It is as catch all as can be. By that definition, slowing/stopping a run up for a penalty is every bit as unsportsmanlike (which was my original point).

efb

Billy86 wrote: »

It is as catch all as can be. By that definition, slowing/stopping a run up for a penalty is every bit as unsportsmanlike (which was my original point).

Don't forget the line above it.

auldgranny

CSF wrote: »

It's still a bad result over 120 minutes. Not something where the internet should be falling over itself in superlatives afterwards.

The world cup is as much about drama for most people as it is about football. That's why the internet meltdown

bantee

CSF wrote: »

I didn't say it was his fault, but it's not a match that the internet should be lauding him with praise over either.

You said that he "tactically" let the Dutch team down, I don't see how he did. He's deservedly getting praise for an unorthodox substitution, and in fairness Costa Rica going through would've been daylight robbery seeing as they set themselves up to hold out for a 0-0 draw.

8-10

CSF wrote: »

It's still a bad result over 120 minutes. Not something where the internet should be falling over itself in superlatives afterwards.

He was a top coach before the World Cup. I agree that the substitution is getting a bit overhyped but that's what happens when there's an unusual talking point like this. It hasn't happened in a WC game before, if he failed to save any of them and they lost then he'd be getting unfairly slammed for not sticking with the original keeper.

He's a top coach and he got through to the semi's of the World Cup after an amazing qualifying campaign and then topping a WC group which included destroying the incumbent champions. I think the result is hard to argue as a good or a bad. There's just no point in doing so. He made the right sub at the end because the penos were not soft, they needed to be saved and the chap did. Let's wait another week and then judge how good the tournament was.

And again I think you're still being harsh on Costa Rica. Seriously, they've been showing all tournament they're no walkover and you still think that they should be an automatic win

CSF

bantee wrote: »

You said that he "tactically" let the Dutch team down, I don't see how he did. He's deservedly getting praise for an unorthodox substitution, and in fairness Costa Rica going through would've been daylight robbery seeing as they set themselves up to hold out for a 0-0 draw.

No. I didn't say that. That is not something I said.

Tokarev

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ah come on in fairness. They hit the woodwork 3 times plus a string of last ditch tackles and excellent goal keeping.

But it's all about putting the ball in the net isn't it?

CSF

8-10 wrote: »

He was a top coach before the World Cup. I agree that the substitution is getting a bit overhyped but that's what happens when there's an unusual talking point like this. It hasn't happened in a WC game before, if he failed to save any of them and they lost then he'd be getting unfairly slammed for not sticking with the original keeper.

He's a top coach and he got through to the semi's of the World Cup after an amazing qualifying campaign and then topping a WC group which included destroying the incumbent champions. I think the result is hard to argue as a good or a bad. There's just no point in doing so. He made the right sub at the end because the penos were not soft, they needed to be saved and the chap did. Let's wait another week and then judge how good the tournament was.

And again I think you're still being harsh on Costa Rica. Seriously, they've been showing all tournament they're no walkover and you still think that they should be an automatic win

Costa Rica have acquitted themselves really well in Brazil, but a team of superstars should still always fancy themselves to beat them if they're on their game.

I'm not having a go at Van Gaal here anyway, merely the senseless internet hysteria.

Ulysses Gaze

8-10 wrote: »

He was a top coach before the World Cup. I agree that the substitution is getting a bit overhyped but that's what happens when there's an unusual talking point like this. It hasn't happened in a WC game before, if he failed to save any of them and they lost then he'd be getting unfairly slammed for not sticking with the original keeper.

He's a top coach and he got through to the semi's of the World Cup after an amazing qualifying campaign and then topping a WC group which included destroying the incumbent champions. I think the result is hard to argue as a good or a bad. There's just no point in doing so. He made the right sub at the end because the penos were not soft, they needed to be saved and the chap did. Let's wait another week and then judge how good the tournament was.

And again I think you're still being harsh on Costa Rica. Seriously, they've been showing all tournament they're no walkover and you still think that they should be an automatic win

He's probably the most tactically astute coach left in the competition.

Now if he can get Van Persie firing again they have a great chance of winning it.

bantee

CSF wrote: »

No. I didn't say that. That is not something I said.

So you didn't say he "couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica"?

jive

A win is a win is a win. Too much emphasis on Van Gaal, I thought Robben deserves a good bit of credit as he was by far the most lively player on the pitch. Sneijder was good in patches. Costa Rica were admirable and ultimately unlucky. Van Gaal's decision to put on Krul was vindicated but it wasn't innovative or that important; the Dutch player's penalties were just superior, Kuyt's in particular was excellent.

CSF

bantee wrote: »

So you didn't say he "couldn't tactically engineer a goal v Costa Rica"?

Yes, that is completely different to what you said I said, what I said was just stating a fact, not an opinion. That is what happened tonight.

Zico

Was Louis Van Gaal handing out lemons after the game or something?

Seems a few people have a bitter taste in their mouth for some strange reason.:)

Hotblack Desiato

CSF wrote: »

It's still a bad result over 120 minutes. Not something where the internet should be falling over itself in superlatives afterwards.

Seems to me the criticism aimed at LvG has as much to do with his next job as with his current one.

Get used to this you'll be seeing it a lot next season.

8-10

CSF wrote: »

Costa Rica have acquitted themselves really well in Brazil, but a team of superstars should still always fancy themselves to beat them if they're on their game.

I'm not having a go at Van Gaal here anyway, merely the senseless internet hysteria.

Fair enough, I can agree with that in the most part. But I'm just not surprised about the hysteria I think is the difference. I could see it happening when the sub was made, thinking to myself he'll either be lauded or slated for this, when the saves came I already expected the praise to come in. I'm a big fan of his already so wanting to make sure people realise that he's a great coach for more reasons than simply a gamble of a substitution

CSF

Zico wrote: »

Was Louis Van Gaal handing out lemons after the game or something?

Seems a few people have a bitter taste in their mouth for some strange reason.:)

HAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO FUNNY

CSF

ninja900 wrote: »

Seems to me the criticism aimed at LvG has as much to do with his next job as with his current one.

Get used to this you'll be seeing it a lot next season.

What criticism has been aimed at Van Gaal?

Billy86

efb wrote: »

Don't forget the line above it.

A restart does not occur until the whistle is blown.

bantee

CSF wrote: »

Yes, that is completely different to what you said I said, what I said was just stating a fact, not an opinion. That is what happened tonight.

The fact is that the Dutch couldn't score in 120 minutes of football and where my opinion differs to yours is that I think it's down to the players he used within that timeframe to score and not a tactical flaw in VG's setup.

weisses

marco_polo wrote: »

Of course not the Dutch were clearly the better team throughout, I am not sure that "deserved" is the correct term for the winners of a penalty shootout anyway,

The "deserved" reference is based on the 120 minutes before

But the fact the dutch took a very analytical approach towards the shoot outs then i think winning that was deserved as well

I don't think Costa Rica played that defensive in the group ?? could be wrong though

CSF

bantee wrote: »

The fact is that the Dutch couldn't score in 120 minutes of football and where my opinion differs to yours is that I think it's down to the players he used within that timeframe to score and not a tactical flaw in VG's setup.

You don't know my opinion on that matter. I just stated the fact that Van Gaal's tactics did not result in a goal yet people are going on like they were Mourinho for Inter's tactics v Barca

Son Of A Vidic

As a lifelong Sligo Rovers fan, I've seen a similar tactical move made with a goalkeeper before. But hey, to get some perspective. A World Cup semifinal place was at stake here. Unprecedented balls and tactical nous by a manger at the highest level of competition. Luck, a great keeper, the post and some shocking misses kept Costa Rica in the game. And they are the kind of factors no manager can game plan for or take responsibility for. The best team won and the team that deserved to win goes through to the semifinal. Costa Rica were a complete disappointment, they played for penalties and justice was done. And that can only be good for football in the long run. I think the Costa Ricans were capable of much better tonight but they let themselves down imo. Yes they were tired legs late in extra time. But they have several attacks that perhaps showed us what might have been, if they had actually bothered to come out and play. Hopefully they learn from the experience and realise you can't hope to progress through a tournament through penalties alone.

Nib

CSF wrote: »

You don't know my opinion on that matter. I just stated the fact that Van Gaal's tactics did not result in a goal yet people are going on like they were Mourinho for Inter's tactics v Barca

His tactics were spot on IMO. Holland were peppering the woodwork all night and RVP missed a few sitters, by his high standards. You can hardly blame LVG for that. He sets his team up, but at the end of the day it's up to the players on the pitch to do the business.

bantee

CSF wrote: »

You don't know my opinion on that matter. I just stated the fact that Van Gaal's tactics did not result in a goal yet people are going on like they were Mourinho for Inter's tactics v Barca

You're contradicting yourself as you're clearly stating your opinion on the matter repeatedly about VG being lauded on the internet. Look we can keep going over and back on semantics, let's leave it that.

8-10

CSF wrote: »

Costa Rica have acquitted themselves really well in Brazil, but a team of superstars should still always fancy themselves to beat them if they're on their game.

I'm still not fully convinced about this one. Yes this statement is true, they should expect to go through.

However given that they helped knock out Italy and England and beat Uruguay and Greece (with 100% peno record), I disagree with your earlier assertion that Holland going through at their expense on penos was "a bad result".

Remember this is the quarter finals of a World Cup, a lot of the Dutch squad have been there before, but this is THE biggest game of the Costa Rican's careers to-date, bar NONE. And if they weren't afraid of their group opponents, the Dutch probably weren't expecting a stroll in the park tonight either.

Should they have expected to go through before the game? Yes, and I think they would have. Should they have expected to win in 90mins? Yes. Would they consider it a bad result if it goes to penos and they go through? Honestly, the more I think about it and your argument that it is a bad result, the more I can't agree. They'll all be thinking it was a good result. The fact that they've gone to penalties and won against a team who have now taken 10 World Cup penalties, none of them soft, and won their only previous shootout with 5/5 scored last week, shows that they did well to get the result that they needed (which is different to the result they expected)

CSF

bantee wrote: »

You're contradicting yourself as you're clearly stating your opinion on the matter repeatedly about VG being lauded on the internet. Look we can keep going over and back on semantics, let's leave it that.

Not thinking someone should be lauded is not the same as thinking someone should be criticised.