Oireachtas TV

FRIENDO

Sorry don't know what happened that above quote

Sam Russell

"I would think it is few and far apart. Given that Saorview can reach nearly every house (98% according to the quoted figures) and those that cannot could probably get Sky, there would appear to be no point in it."

FRIENDO wrote: »

But people are entitled to FTA RTE services and what ever else our taxes pay for.
The approximate 2% unable to get saorview should not have to pay sky for RTE etc.
So their is a valid point in having the availability of Saorsat.

Well, yes but how many of that 2% cannot get Saorsat? Not all locations can get satellite because of local terrain, buildings, or trees.

I would agree that Saorsat should get the whole Saorview signal.

Mr Sea Wolf

Only about 92=95 percent of the population could get analogue so I thought it was strange that Saorsat was set up at a time when money was very tight in RTE.

The Cush

Mr Sea Wolf wrote: »

Only about 92=95 percent of the population could get analogue so I thought it was strange that Saorsat was set up at a time when money was very tight in RTE.

RTÉ1 & 2 analogue coverage was in excess of 98% from over 170 transmitter sites, TG4 95% from less sites and TV3 85% coverage from 12 main transmitter sites.

Saorsat setup didn't cost that much, about €1.5m annually, leasing transponder space on an existing satellite and uplinking costs.

afatbollix

Sam Russell wrote: »

I have posted figures before.

2RN will get just under €12m for two muxes, regardless of the amount of bandwidth used. Unused bandwidth is just burnt off.

On my calculations, RTE could fit onto the one mux and should therefore pay €6m rather than their current €8m. The remaining mux could carry 3 HD channels and two (or three at a squeeze) SD channels on the second muxes. Figures would suggest that if this was done, and three HD channels and two SD channels operated, then the cost per SD would be just over €625K and just over €1.5m for HD. Currently, 2RN charge $925m for SD.

Comreg should force TV3, TG4, and UTVi to do this, or prevent them offering HD to pay platforms.

Remember, charges per channel in analogue days was of the order of €3m per year.

Are you including the SD channels of the HD channels in these muxes as they would also have to be carried?

Also I can get a SD lease on a free to air sat for $15,000 a month. This cut price for Soarview is a PR stunt.

Sam Russell

afatbollix wrote: »

Are you including the SD channels of the HD channels in these muxes as they would also have to be carried?

Also I can get a SD lease on a free to air sat for $15,000 a month. This cut price for Soarview is a PR stunt.

There is no need for SD on Saorview.

The service is provided only for Saorview approved sets and this requires the ability to receive HD - so no SD dual carry.

I do not understand the relevance of FTA space on a satelite. The problem with FTA satellites is not their cost to broadcast but their coverage - giving rise to rights issues. Saorsat cannot be received outside the island of Ireland. Most satellites that cover Ireland also cover all of the UK and some most of western Europe. Rights to cover that region would be expensive.

Perhaps your Satellite might be of interest to the Oireachtas as that would be cheaper than they currently pay Sky and there are no rights involved. In fact few in their right mind would watch them.

Elmo

UTV Ireland will air 25 years of the Oirechtas tonight.

Elmo

From what I can tell OTV on Saorview is part of RTÉ due to RTÉ taking some of the charge, DCERN are now asking the BAI for a SIA under S. 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009.

Jpmarn

Oireachtas Tv is back on the air on Saorview this Tuesday night. The channel was showing Pope Francis addressing the European Parliament back in November 2014.

Hotblack Desiato

Maybe they can move the Angelus onto OTV while they're at it?

icdg

Okay, less of the flippancy please!

Elmo

RTE's proposal to DCENR http://cce.gno.ie/news/2016/03/rteproposal.pdf

Sam Russell

Interesting the redact the figure for the annual cost - derived from multiplying the quoted charge per kbs and the quoted assessed usage. The figure I get is €538,419.42c.

Not sure whether VAT is charged on top of that or not.:D

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

Interesting the redact the figure for the annual cost - derived from multiplying the quoted charge per kbs and the quoted assessed usage. The figure I get is €538,419.42c.

Close to the figure of €525,000 estimated by Saorview during the week long trial back in Sept 2014.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=95050932#post95050932

expectationlost

didn't actual watch any coverage of the first day of the dail but from twitter it seemed like oireachtas and rte may have been duplicating their efforts

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

From what I can tell OTV on Saorview is part of RTÉ due to RTÉ taking some of the charge, DCERN are now asking the BAI for a SIA under S. 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009.

Elmo wrote: »

RTE's proposal to DCENR http://cce.gno.ie/news/2016/03/rteproposal.pdf

Thanks for posting the FOI document, very interesting. Was the DCENR information request to RTÉ included in the release?

So, there is an initial 5 year agreement between RTÉ and the Oireachtas to supply and transmit the channel for a fixed fee paid by the Oireachtas with RTÉ paying the extra cost plus capital expenditure. It will be a part-time (partial) channel on Saorview. The agreement will be reviewed after 5 years. The estimates are based on the transmission of basic audio/video only, no teletext/ad/second language/Sat-Sun broadcasting.

Full editorial control will remain with the Oireachtas, RTÉ will be responsible for the technical and quality standards of the channel on Saorview. There is no provision in the agreement for promotion of the channel or audience monitoring. The channel will be transmitted as received with no additional logos/branding or any input from RTÉ such as commentary/analysis. It isn't a commercial channel so no advertising will be carried.

A BAI SI isn't required under Sec. 103 only Ministerial approval. The only reference I can see in the document to Sec. 103 of the Broadcasting Act is in relation to the sharing of spectrum when the Oireachtas Channel is off-air, this may be used by a future part-time channel on approval by the Minister.

The Cush

expectationlost wrote: »

didn't actual watch any coverage of the first day of the dail but from twitter it seemed like oireachtas and rte may have been duplicating their efforts

I was lucky enough to be able to watch it throughout the day, delighted with the availability and coverage of the channel. I was able to flick up/down between RTÉ News channel and OTV as required. It can be annoying at times when a debate/discussion/etc. is on going in the Dáil and RTÉ return to their studio analysis but now we have the option to remain with the live Oireachtas coverage. The motions debate at the end was both interesting and annoying to watch, all in a day's work at the Oireachtas I guess.

The Cush

Forgot to mention above there was a reference to Saorview's upcoming hybrid service in the document and that Oireachtas TV could be part of it.

Vodafone carries the Oireachtas (201), Dáil (207)and Seanad (208) channels on its service, maybe we'll see these additional channels including Committee Rooms as virtual streamed channels on Saorview Connected.

twinklerunner

Why is News Now carrying a simulcast of the 9 o'clock news when there is live coverage of the government formation on Oireachtas TV, which is disgracefully only available on Sky and Virgin.

SPDUB

twinklerunner wrote: »

Why is News Now carrying a simulcast of the 9 o'clock news when there is live coverage of the government formation on Oireachtas TV, which is disgracefully only available on Sky and Virgin.

The Oireachtas TV feed on Saorview was cut off at 530pm

Great timing by whoever did that:rolleyes:

Elmo

Tbh RT had a great op to provide Coverage of NI, Scot, Welsh and England Elections and the formation of the FG gov today both on ONE & News Now.

The Cush

SPDUB wrote: »

The Oireachtas TV feed on Saorview was cut off at 530pm

Great timing by whoever did that:rolleyes:

Still on engineering test so no agreement finalised between the 2 parties obviously

https://twitter.com/SAORVIEW/status/727914135044927489

Elmo

New minister will have to approve funding of the service by RT on Saorview

Sam Russell

Elmo wrote: »

New minister will have to approve funding of the service by RT on Saorview

Surely it is the Ceann Comhairle who has to find the budget as it comes under his remit. The Minister has to change the legislation if the OTV is to be given a free ride.

Hotblack Desiato

Russia Today? Or are you dropping an 'E'

Sam Russell wrote: »

Surely it is the Ceann Comhairle who has to find the budget as it comes under his remit. The Minister has to change the legislation if the OTV is to be given a free ride.

Who was it who approved the 250k to Rupert?

The Cush

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Who was it who approved the 250k to Rupert?

The Houses of the Oireachtas Commission most likely.

Elmo

If minister approves a part time channel for OTV then he allows for the funding. Though no reason that I can see why the minister could fund carriage costs via licence fee as they did to provide funding to BAI and TG4

Sam Russell

Elmo wrote: »

If minister approves a part time channel for OTV then he allows for the funding. Though no reason that I can see why the minister could fund carriage costs via licence fee as they did to provide funding to BAI and TG4

True - more robbing funds from RTE, but either way it is robbing funds from RTE.

Deduct it from Tubbs's wages.