Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IV

Akrasia

gazump123 wrote: »

http://rugbylad.com/this-is-how-munster-can-still-qualify-for-the-champions-cup-quarter-finals/

That explains how we can qualify. Simple.

Here are the results Munster fans should be shouting for this weekend
There are 3 places for best runner up so we just need to finish ahead of Stad, and no more than 2 of the other results below can go against us.


Ulster Rugby (13 pts) Vs US Oyonnax (7 pts) 1pm Sat
Ulster just have to lose. Their pd is +7 so they could get two bonus points and we'd still hope to overtake them on pd


Toulouse (5 pts) V Saracens (24 pts) (2PM Sat)
Irrelevant

Wasps (15 pts) Vs Leinster (6 pts) 3.30pm Sat
Leinster have to win by a significant margin to reduce the wasps points difference (they're at + 73) No BP for Wasps

Bath Rugby (9 pts) Vs Toulon (16 pts) 3.30pm Sat
Irrelevant

Scarlets (2 pts) Vs Northampton Saints (14 pts) 5.30pm Sat
Scarlets to win. Northampton can get 1 LBP because their points difference is rubbish (-11)

Glasgow Warriors (10 pts) Vs Racing 92 (22 pts) 5.30pm Sat
Glasgow can win with a bonus point, but it needs to be a close game. Glasgow have +1 points difference before the game so if they win, we'll need to have a higher PD after our match on Sunday

Stade Francais (14 pts) Vs Leicester Tigers (23 pts) 2pm Sunday
Leicester Have to beat Stad, If Stad win or draw, it's game over. We'd prefer if stad were denied any bonus point as they have a much higher PD than


Benetton Treviso (0 pts) Vs Munster Rugby (10 pts) 2pm Sunday
Obviously Munster need to be targeting a winning bonus point and as many points are we require to beat any rivals on pd

Exeter Chiefs (11pts) Vs Ospreys (16pts) 3.15pm Sunday
Exeter can not get a winning bonus point. Their points difference is lower than Munster's so as long as Ospreys win or keep the game close, we'd expect to finish ahead of Exeter

Clermont Auvergne (14pts) Vs Union Bordeaux (11pts) 4.15pm Sunday
Bordeaux need to win and deny Clermont any bonus points. Clermont's PD is currently +30 so if they do get the LBP, Munster will need at to have won our game by more than 35 points
Bordeaux if they win, can not get a bonus point, their pd is -23 so we should finish ahead of them on points difference

Akrasia - I assume you mean Munster just have to finish ahead of Stade?

Just looking down through those games, if only 2 can go against Munster then it's very hard to see Munster getting through. There's no chance Ulster will lose, there's a tiny chance Leinster will win never mind by a large margin, I can't see Northampton losing to Scarlets and Clermont should beat Bordeaux. Here's hoping anyway.

Akrasia - I assume you mean Munster just have to finish ahead of Stade?

Just looking down through those games, if only 2 can go against Munster then it's very hard to see Munster getting through. There's no chance Ulster will lose, there's a tiny chance Leinster will win never mind by a large margin, I can't see Northampton losing to Scarlets and Clermont should beat Bordeaux. Here's hoping anyway.

Akrasia

Raiden Wide Pekinese wrote: »

Akrasia - I assume you mean Munster just have to finish ahead of Stade?

Yeah you're right. That's like the 3rd time I've made that mistake in 2 days. Multiple Brain farts, I blame the children

Just looking down through those games, if only 2 can go against Munster then it's very hard to see Munster getting through. There's no chance Ulster will lose, there's a tiny chance Leinster will win never mind by a large margin, I can't see Northampton losing to Scarlets and Clermont should beat Bordeaux. Here's hoping anyway.

It's a really really tall order

Miracles have been declared for less

oneZeroOneZero

Akrasia wrote: »

Here are the results Munster fans should be shouting for this weekend



Stade Francais (14 pts) Vs Leicester Tigers (23 pts) 2pm Sunday
Leicester Have to beat Stad, If Stad win or draw, it's game over. We'd prefer if stad were denied any bonus point as they have a much higher PD than

Bonus point is irrelevant , we have them on head to head, and if we are not on 15pts then the rest of the calculations are off anyway.

kub

This is starting to sound a bit like the Irish soccer team trying to qualify.
If only they had played like they should have.

So Ulster thrashing Oyonnax, first thing going wrong, though entirely unsurprising.

lazybones32

I hope Munster do something they haven't done in a while: play 2 decent games in a row.

Time to build some momentum.

Akrasia

Well, We're at the first knock out game in a half hour. if Scarlets don't win, Munster are out of Europe

Fireball07

We were never going to qualify after losing 3 games. The thing is we so easily could have got through if we had just beaten a team who had 14 men for a full half.


I would have liked to see more experimentation in Italy- not ridiculous, maybe give CJ a break and try JOD at 8. Maybe give TOL a start. Include Fitzgerald on the bench?

CatFromHue

Akrasia wrote: »

Well, We're at the first knock out game in a half hour. if Scarlets don't win, Munster are out of Europe

Bad news as with Leinster losing to Wasps I think you're out now.

You'd need Lanelli to beat Saints and Bordeaux to beat Clermont in Clermont.

lazybones32

Munster A - 11 London Scottish - 21.
Report from London Scottish website http://www.londonscottish.com/pro/news/4405.php seeing as there is no mention on Munsterrugby.ie

jacothelad

There are about 200 people at Parc - Y - Empty.

phog

lazybones32 wrote: »

Munster A - 11 London Scottish - 21.
Report from London Scottish website http://www.londonscottish.com/pro/news/4405.php seeing as there is no mention on Munsterrugby.ie

I was at the game, we were poor, weather and pitch were atrocious and there must have been a 1,000 scrums from knockons from both teams, Scottish seemed to get more penalties from the scrum tho Munster got ca few and a few free kicks.

Scottish were deserved winners but I don't think they deserved almost double scores.

Hard to say who if anyone stood out.

Duncan Williams didn't play so he's either injured or on his way to Italy as cover for Murray or TOL.

phog

Match report from Munster rugby.

CoDy1

Phog, How did Dan Goggin play? anything impressive or were conditions too bad. Supposed to be a good prospect.

phog

CoDy1 wrote: »

Phog, How did Dan Goggin play? anything impressive or were conditions too bad. Supposed to be a good prospect.

Hard to say how anyone played really, play broke down or we ran into traffic before we got to a 3rd or 4th pass. The field had cut up in the warm up and got worse during actual play. The wind and rain made it a hard game to watch and each scrum sucked the life out of the game.

Fitz, Sweetnam & Bohane stood out for me but then I probably recognised them a bit more. I was also tweeting and chatting to a parent of one of the LS players a bit during the game so missed some of the play. Tbh, I hardly noticed Goggin but that could have been just me.

Poland did ok at scrumhalf once he came on, he gave a beauty of a chip/dinky kick against the wind at one stage which got us up field but then he showed inexperience in a tap & go later, the retreating players hadn't gone back 10 but he passed the ball before going into contact so Scottish weren't penalised for not retreating.

Crimsonforce

Munster scrum is being minced by Treviso

Pink Fairy

Crimsonforce wrote: »

Munster scrum is being minced by Treviso

Munster 14-5 up at halftime, started v well, but game is scrappy and Holland got a yc, Treviso scored a try after that. Holland still off, so Munster scrum will be in trouble for a few more mins

Pink Fairy

Munster maul over for a try, Stander getting it, still a man down

wp_rathead

Not given for knock on
Pretty harsh imo

Pink Fairy

wp_rathead wrote: »

Not given for knock on
Pretty harsh imo

Pretty harsh? Absolute bs call

Pink Fairy

Murray takes it off the back of the line out and danced thru for an easy try.... Ref can't take that one away

wp_rathead

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Pretty harsh? Absolute bs call

Yup, was trying to play it down for comedic effect
Was clear try
Nice try by Murray

Treviso's maul seems decent

gosplan

They just referenced Munster's 'slim chance' of making it to the next round on Sky.

I thought they were gone, no?

aimee1

gosplan wrote: »

They just referenced Munster's 'slim chance' of making it to the next round on Sky.

I thought they were gone, no?

munster are out

Pink Fairy

JOD powered thru like a centre and hit Mahoney with a lovely pass, try.

razorblunt

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

Mahatma Geansai

Pink Fairy wrote: »

JOD powered thru like a centre and hit Mahoney with a lovely pass, try.

It was a great display of his skillset. There aren't many other forwards in the country who could have pulled that off.

wp_rathead

It's weird one because Murray was trying to pull out of the tackle - doing so he didn't use his arms and he gets penalised for "tackling without his arms"
Bundee Aki got sin binned for similar act vs Scarlets

Pink Fairy

Donnacha O'Callaghan trolling the fck out of us there by saying TOL will be welcomed on as he's going to raise the tempo of the game

1eg0a3xv7b82of

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

Pink Fairy

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

No, he's almost nailed on for the Italian job, he wants international rugby, could be looking to succeed JS in a few years

razorblunt

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

DDC1990

razorblunt wrote: »

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

Match would have put you to sleep as well.

F-ck me, the referee tried everything in his power to even things up. We should have won by 40+, and we didn't even play well.

1 sure try overturned, 3 attacks in the 22 called back for questionable (and incorrect) forward pass calls. Rediculous mismanagement of the scrums, letting the Italians bore in and up.

No momentum in the game thanks to constant whistling. Dire altogether.

DDC1990

razorblunt wrote: »

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

Match would have put you to sleep as well.

F-ck me, the referee tried everything in his power to even things up. We should have won by 40+, and we didn't even play well.

1 sure try overturned, 3 attacks in the 22 called back for questionable (and incorrect) forward pass calls. Rediculous mismanagement of the scrums, letting the Italians bore in and up.

No momentum in the game thanks to constant whistling. Dire altogether.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

Pink Fairy wrote: »

No, he's almost nailed on for the Italian job, he wants international rugby, could be looking to succeed JS in a few years

thats a shame, he would be perfect for munster.
i know thats harsh on foley, but i am of the belief that foley will be gone soon anyway.
Munster have a chance to get a proven coach for next season.
time to bite the bullet.

phog

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

In charge of what?

Imho, O'Shea is more suited to CEO or DoR but I wouldn't back him for Head Coach.

jacothelad

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

thats a shame, he would be perfect for munster.
i know thats harsh on foley, but i am of the belief that foley will be gone soon anyway.
Munster have a chance to get a proven coach for next season.
time to bite the bullet.

phog wrote: »

In charge of what?

Imho, O'Shea is more suited to CEO or DoR but I wouldn't back him for Head Coach.

Correct. He is not a coach at 'Quins, He is the Director of Rugby. The main man is Head Coach John Kingston along with Mark Mapletoft and Tony Diprose among others.

O'Shea wouldn't be able to replace Axel. He isn't a hands on coach despite the inaccuracies blathered in the Indo and Times by authors too lazy to do proper research or who simply lack the understanding of his position. He fulfils the same job that David Humphreys did at Ulster.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

jacothelad wrote: »

Correct. He is not a coach at 'Quins, He is the Director of Rugby. The main man is Head Coach John Kingston along with Mark Mapletoft and Tony Diprose among others.

O'Shea wouldn't be able to replace Axel. He isn't a hands on coach despite the inaccuracies blathered in the Indo and Times by authors too lazy to do proper research or who simply lack the understanding of his position. He fulfils the same job that David Humphreys did at Ulster.

So can you explain what is the difference between the roles of foley at munster and oshea at quins.

irishbucsfan

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

So can you explain what is the difference between the roles of foley at munster and oshea at quins.

Axel Foley is the head coach of Munster. He handles coaching on a day to day basis. Fitzgerald handles a lot of the off field rugby related issues like player contracts etc.

O'Shea has never been a head coach. He was Director of Operations/rugby with LI and then worked for the RFU as a blazer and now is Director of Rugby at Quins. His job is more like Fitzgerald's job with Munster except with more oversight on the rugby side and most likely less oversight on the operational/financial side.

He's be ideal for Italy if they paired him with quality Italian coaches though, especially if he was then afforded time to do work with the off-field development of Italian rugby and improving their frameworks of bring players from the S10 through and better use of resources at pro level, which they really need, he could become an Italian legend.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Axel Foley is the head coach of Munster. He handles coaching on a day to day basis. Fitzgerald handles a lot of the off field rugby related issues like player contracts etc.

O'Shea has never been a head coach. He was Director of Operations/rugby with LI and then worked for the RFU as a blazer and now is Director of Rugby at Quins. His job is more like Fitzgerald's job with Munster except with more oversight on the rugby side and most likely less oversight on the operational/financial side.

He's be ideal for Italy if they paired him with quality Italian coaches though, especially if he was then afforded time to do work with the off-field development of Italian rugby and improving their frameworks of bring players from the S10 through and better use of resources at pro level, which they really need, he could become an Italian legend.

does conor o shea hire and fire HIS coaches at quins
does he pick the team
does he pick the tactics
the answer is yes.

COS is not a CEO or a CFO, hes a DOR/manager of a rugby team.

irishbucsfan

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

does conor o shea hire and fire HIS coaches at quins
does he pick the team
does he pick the tactics
the answer is yes.

COS is not a CEO or a CFO, hes a DOR/manager of a rugby team.

Those responsibilities are mixes between Kingston and O'Shea. Kingston wasn't hired by O'Shea either, he has been there since before O'Shea and ran the show after bloodgate when Richards got banned. He's much closer to what Foley brings to Munster than what O'Shea would bring.

To compare it to another province, O'Shea is like a more powerful version of what Guy Easterby does for Leinster.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Those responsibilities are mixes between Kingston and O'Shea. Kingston wasn't hired by O'Shea either, he has been there since before O'Shea and ran the show after bloodgate when Richards got banned. He's much closer to what Foley brings to Munster than what O'Shea would bring.

To compare it to another province, O'Shea is like a more powerful version of what Guy Easterby does for Leinster.

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.
if you check the gloucester and quins websites, you will see under coaching Humphrey and oshea as number 1 coaching staff.
you will see many media references to david humphryes gloucester, osheas harlequins, dai youngs wasps - travel to X, beat X etc etc.

Conor Oshea is the manager of quins rugby players and coaching staff.
he picks the team.
he picks the tactics.
he picks new recruits.
he talks to the media pre and post match.
his role is nothing like guy easterby.

Cookiemunster

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.
if you check the gloucester and quins websites, you will see under coaching Humphrey and oshea as number 1 coaching staff.
you will see many media references to david humphryes gloucester, osheas harlequins, dai youngs wasps - travel to X, beat X etc etc.

Conor Oshea is the manager of quins rugby players and coaching staff.
he picks the team.
he picks the tactics.
he picks new recruits.
he talks to the media pre and post match.
his role is nothing like guy easterby.

http://www.quins.co.uk/team/coaching-staff/
Kingston is right next to O'Shea. It says O'Shea is DOR and Kingston is head coach. O'Shea doesn't do any coaching. He delegates it to Kingston and his assistant coaches.

irishbucsfan

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.

That's not necessarily a reflection on him at all.

Speaking of Humphreys, I'm sure you've heard of Laurie Fisher? Very similar setup

Cookiemunster

Cookiemunster wrote: »

http://www.quins.co.uk/team/coaching-staff/
Kingston is right next to O'Shea. It says O'Shea is DOR and Kingston is head coach. O'Shea doesn't do any coaching. He delegates it to Kingston and his assistant coaches.

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

irishbucsfan

Beatrice Warm Halogen wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

At Munster Foley would do a lot of day to day coaching, it's a different job

jm08

Beatrice Warm Halogen wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

Foley is Munster's Forwards Coach (Mick O'Driscoll helps out with lineout and Jerry Flannery Scrum).

don't forget as well, Munster have two training centres.

Cookiemunster

Beatrice Warm Halogen wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

Isn't that what I said? The coaches do the coaching, the DOR doesn't. Munster don't have a DOR. Foley and his staff do the coaching.