Clare v Wexford, SHC Qualifier Replay, Wexford Park, 12 July @ 17.00 RTE 2

Moneymaker

allthedoyles wrote: »

For all of you that said Wexford left it behind them in Ennis :

EAT YOUR WORDS

Well done Guiney RTE Man of the Match

The only thing worse then a bad loser, is a bad winner.

Grow up.

131spanner

To pull the draw after 70 minutes with 13 men is a sign of what the Clare lads are made of, you'd be very proud of them.

There was questionable calls made but that's the way it was, c'est la vie. I'll be following Wexford for the rest of the championship, a joy to watch

The Banner will be raised again next year

Lapin

MrsD007 wrote: »

Fair play to Wexford they hung in there until the bitter end! This Clare woman will be supporting Limerick tomorrow, I'm in for a rough weekend

I know how you feel Mrs007.

Shame Galway couldn't hang in there last week.


Tomorrow. Galway for the Connacht Football final, Limerick for the Munster Hurling final. and Germany to win the World Cup by 2 goals.

marco_polo

Wouldn't mind seeing these two sides having a crack at each other at U21 later on in the year would be some game I'd say. Hopefully we can make it happen, but big task to pick our lads up during the week after the disappointment and physical effort put in over the past two games

dr.bollocko

Jaysus but it's starting to feel like 1996 again. Great to see Wexford hurling on the up and up.

larrymiller

Where will the Waterford match be?

marco_polo

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Jaysus but it's starting to feel like 1996 again. Great to see Wexford hurling on the up and up.

Well last year did feel like 1995 all over again for us .....

marco_polo

larrymiller wrote: »

Where will the Waterford match be?

Nolan park AFAIK

Fireball07

I just think that Waterford will be feeling fairly confident, Wexford struggled badly to put Clare away in normal team- some woeful shooting, poor decision-making.

Then there's the question of whether 2 tough, extra-time games in a row is a good/bad thing... certainly beating the All-Ireland champions is a huge confidence boost, but they may be tired, particularly with the 21s aswell. I personally think it will benefit them... getting over that hurdle should remove a big mental block.

Waterford may struggle to win ball in their forward line, as Clare did, against a physical Wexford defence, but they do have enough quality to pose a big threat to them.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

all my clare friends though we'd hammer them in tonight's extra time, i knew it'd be another battle. wexford are a great team if they get the shooting boots back on. ref was fair enough and few decisions went against wexford but that holding on extra time that he called steps on was a joke.

Johnnythefox4

Browney7 wrote: »

No doubt Davy will go along the lines of "Fair play to Wexford there today but you all saw what went on out there now but I'm not going to get into it:rolleyes:"

Clare's touch and control in general has gone to pot this year.

In fairness to Davy though he's right. EVERYONE is out to get him. The ref, the linesman, the umpires, opposition players and managers, the media, the president of the GAA, the President of the GAA's wife, the stewards, the people selling the programmes, the jersey manufacturers, the groundskeepers, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Ghost of Mother Theresa, Mick Jagger etc

All these people are trying by any means necessary to stop poor little, shy, quiet Davy Fitzgerald from becoming the greatest manager of all time.

Stay strong Sweet Prince Davy, for you will one day become King.

marco_polo

georgiecasey wrote: »

all my clare friends though we'd hammer them in tonight's extra time, i knew it'd be another battle. wexford are a great team if they get the shooting boots back on. ref was fair enough and few decisions went against wexford but that holding on extra time that he called steps on was a joke.

Must confess I secretly thought it was in the bag myself mostly due to the psychological blow of Wexford not having won a game they should have comfortably won and us being back to 15.

As it turned out they kept their heads up, and continued to do what they had been doing over the course of both games up to then, which was dominating possession and outhurling us. In extra time they finally added more accurate shooting into the mix which saw them through in the end.

zetecescort

Clare's biggest problem was their discipline. sure, calls go against every team but the amount of frees conceeded against Cork and Wexford was criminal. Forwards were immense and kept them in both Wexford games. savage effort tonight with 13 men and went down fighting like champions should.

donnem33

131spanner wrote: »

To pull the draw after 70 minutes with 13 men is a sign of what the Clare lads are made of, you'd be very proud of them.

There was questionable calls made but that's the way it was, c'est la vie. I'll be following Wexford for the rest of the championship, a joy to watch

The Banner will be raised again next year

That was more to do with wexford being very wasteful in shooting so many wides and clare being very economical

Wexford really should have been out of sight after 70 mins but bad shooting kept clare in the game

lukin

I don't have a problem with the Clare players or their supporters but I am glad to see them gone because it'll be the last we hear of Davy Fitz for the year. He really has become an insufferable bore and I can see a huge backlash against him within his own county after this. In fact it has already started as there is already a poll up on clarehurlers.com that blames him for their exit from the championship.
All of the negative publicity he has drummed up has definitely had a bad effect on the team. It may well be the end of his tenure.

slegs

magentis wrote: »

lol davy boy wouldnt come out for interview

Always was a very sore loser

magentis

He must have cooled down a bit after the game,Marty interviewed him on the pitch for the 9pm news.

STB

What Liam Dunne now needs to do is rein those players in from reading the headlines and getting ideas.

Whoever the forwards coach is (I think its Liam Griffin) will need to get players 8-15 back at the training ground as quick as possible in front of those posts if they are going to employ distance shooting effectively.

Kristopherus

magentis wrote: »

He must have cooled down a bit after the game,Marty interviewed him on the pitch for the 9pm news.

And he interviewed on Radio 1 as well.

Rightwing

Thought that ref was really, really poor.

Still we must give Wexford credit, they didnt even resort to dirty tactics.

The_Kew_Tour

Delighted

great day for hurling

pajoguy

magentis wrote: »

He must have cooled down a bit after the game,Marty interviewed him on the pitch for the 9pm news.

Thought it was going to be a marty/cody episode when marty asked him will Clare be back. Eyes nearly popped out of his head.

They were favourites for munster and second favorites for the all ireland behind kilkenny. Has to be a disappointing year. Tame enough exit from the league also. Very talented bunch that will be back.

savannahkat

There are no guarantees about being back. Next year will a different ball game again. Clare should have built on last years success and this has to be regarded as a year lost from which they will find extremely difficult to recover They were building success on the back of uninterrupted under 21 and last years senior success. They had no reason to doubt but they do now. Fair play to Wexford. It is great to see them back and not just back but building a really competitive team.

aveytare

I know it's stating the obvious but most teams drop a level the year after winning the all-ireland (apart from Kilkenny...).

Hotfail.com

aveytare wrote: »

I know it's stating the obvious but most teams drop a level the year after winning the all-ireland (apart from Kilkenny...).

*ahem* *ahem*

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donnem33

aveytare wrote: »

I know it's stating the obvious but most teams drop a level the year after winning the all-ireland (apart from Kilkenny...).

perhaps this will be a little controversial...but maybe it proves that they got lucky last year?

The Letheram

donnem33 wrote: »

perhaps this will be a little controversial...but maybe it proves that they got lucky last year?

No team wins anything without luck along the way.

flemishgael

I believe Limerick are a bit like Clare last year and the dark horse that might go all the way.
Clare have this year been turning up late in their games.
As others said it is hard to retain the title and teams rarely do it.
It takes total commitment to win it and even more commitment to change the style and do it again.
Clare played the same as last year but by now everyone knows what to do to stop them.
And everyone wants to beat the All Ireland champions.
I think it's a too early for Wexford to go all the way but the young Limerick team might.
Hopefully it's Wexford's turn next year.

donnem33

flemishgael wrote: »

I believe Limerick are a bit like Clare last year and the dark horse that might go all the way.
Clare have this year been turning up late in their games.
As others said it is hard to retain the title and teams rarely do it.
It takes total commitment to win it and even more commitment to change the style and do it again.
Clare played the same as last year but by now everyone knows what to do to stop them.
And everyone wants to beat the All Ireland champions.
I think it's a too early for Wexford to go all the way but the young Limerick team might.
Hopefully it's Wexford's turn next year.

have to admit ive always had a soft spot for limerick and now that galway are out, id love to see lim go all the way.

Hotfail.com

donnem33 wrote: »

perhaps this will be a little controversial...but maybe it proves that they got lucky last year?

I thought their performances last year were greatly overhyped.

BobSloane

slegs wrote: »

Always was a very sore loser

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."

donnem33

BobSloane wrote: »

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."

brian cody is the perfect example on how to behave in defeat, he is as magnanimous in defeat as he is in victory

davy fitz on the other hand.....

68deville

niallo27 wrote: »

Wexford point up. Wexford defender pulls down clare man. He gives a free out. Wexford then get a free for I'm not sure what. Nobody knows. He was the difference at the end.

Clare's lack of ball winners was the difference in the end

flemishgael

donnem33 wrote: »

have to admit ive always had a soft spot for limerick and not that galway are out, id love to see lim go all the way.

Me too. It is good for hurling if Laois, Wexford and Limerick are all able to get back to the level of the others again.
I see Limerick going for this year. They played well last year and this year their young hurlers will have that little bit of experience they lacked last year.
Wexford and Laois are up and coming.
Offaly unfortunately going nowhere fast in hurling and in football.
Hopefully we will go back to a time when 10 countries are realistically able again to win it. Unlike 2 last decade.

flemishgael

Clare look like they have exactly the same game plan they had last year for each game.
Most counties can now read them perfectly and know who to mark to starve them from any ball going to the playmakers.

marco_polo

donnem33 wrote: »

perhaps this will be a little controversial...but maybe it proves that they got lucky last year?

A bit harsh I think we deserved it last year, although some of the most lavish praise last year about exactly how good this team were was certainly a little OTT.

When everyone was on fire last year from August onwards last year, I think it probably hid some of the weakness in the side which have been exposed by a dip in form of some of our key players, combined of course with very stong performances from Cork and Wexford.

flemishgael wrote: »

Clare look like they have exactly the same game plan they had last year for each game.
Most counties can now read them perfectly and know who to mark to starve them from any ball going to the playmakers.

EDIT: This would definitely be a factor for me as well, I was very disappointed with the lack of experimenting with new systems/players in the league.

keeponhurling

Well done to Wexford, they deserved to win.

But I'd still feel that if Podge behaved himself the last day, or if Bugler today had, Clare would have gotten through.
We'll never know for sure of course, but discipline was poor.

Anyways, credit to some of the Clare lads, Galvin, conlon, McGrath and more were excellent today

flemishgael

keeponhurling wrote: »

Well done to Wexford, they deserved to win.

But I'd still feel that if Podge behaved himself the last day, or if Bugler today had, Clare would have gotten through.
We'll never know for sure of course, but discipline was poor.

Anyways, credit to some of the Clare lads, Galvin, conlon, McGrath and more were excellent today

Clare's disciplinary record so far is indeed very poor.
It's also very silly frees to give away, a lot of yellow cards that they should not get, etc. They are beating themselves most of all

keeponhurling

marco_polo wrote: »

EDIT: This would definitely be a factor for me as well, I was very disappointed with the lack of experimenting with new systems/players in the league.

Easy to say that now.

But from last year, we changed goalies, switched Dillon and David Mac, brought in Jack Browne, as well as introduced Duggan in the forwards, and Seadna Morey saw a lot more game time.

I'm not sure how many changes we should be aiming for to an All- Ireland winning team ?

Anyways, we got luck to win the All- Ireland last year, and I don't think we got any decisions over the 3 games this year.
It sounds like sour grapes, but frees in not given towards the end today for fouls on Cunningham and Conlon were beyond belief.
And while Browne probably deserved his red today, it appeared as though the ref had made his decision and was over-ruled by the umpire!

flemishgael

keeponhurling wrote: »

Easy to say that now.

But from last year, we changed goalies, switched Dillon and David Mac, brought in Jack Browne, as well as introduced Duggan in the forwards, and Seadna Morey saw a lot more game time.

I'm not sure how many changes we should be aiming for to an All- Ireland winning team ?

Anyways, we got luck to win the All- Ireland last year, and I don't think we got any decisions over the 3 games this year.
It sounds like sour grapes, but frees in not given towards the end today for fouls on Cunningham and Conlon were beyond belief.
And while Browne probably deserved his red today, it appeared as though the ref had made his decision and was over-ruled by the umpire!

I don't think it is the lack of trying players as they did that last year as well but it is the style they play that hasn't changed much. The game plan is the same.

68deville

To be fair even a positional switch would have kept Browne on the field,I
Reckon the line was so slow to see it you could see the eventual outcome
And I felt sorry for the chap cause he had no option but ta pull him down when
McGovern was going tru for a goal chance.

donnem33

keeponhurling wrote: »

Easy to say that now.

But from last year, we changed goalies, switched Dillon and David Mac, brought in Jack Browne, as well as introduced Duggan in the forwards, and Seadna Morey saw a lot more game time.

I'm not sure how many changes we should be aiming for to an All- Ireland winning team ?

Anyways, we got luck to win the All- Ireland last year, and I don't think we got any decisions over the 3 games this year.
It sounds like sour grapes, but frees in not given towards the end today for fouls on Cunningham and Conlon were beyond belief.
And while Browne probably deserved his red today, it appeared as though the ref had made his decision and was over-ruled by the umpire!

Browne should have been gone 10 mins before that, he was persistently fouling. why wasnt domhnall o'donovan given much of a chance this year? i thought when browne got the ticking, then the yellow, with mcgovern running rings around him, davy should have called him ashore.

the referree was poor on both teams today. wexford had a perfect goal disallowed, and it wasnt exactly a clear cut 65 clare got at the end to level the game and bring it into extra time

Santa Cruz

lukin wrote: »

I don't have a problem with the Clare players or their supporters but I am glad to see them gone because it'll be the last we hear of Davy Fitz for the year. He really has become an insufferable bore and I can see a huge backlash against him within his own county after this. In fact it has already started as there is already a poll up on clarehurlers.com that blames him for their exit from the championship.
All of the negative publicity he has drummed up has definitely had a bad effect on the team. It may well be the end of his tenure.

Fitzgerald believes his own publicity. This year he has been found lacking on the line. He will never have the gentleman qualities that Jimmy Barry Murphy Liam Sheehy and indeed Anthony Cunningham has.
Maybe he thinks that he has to act like an extreme version of Loughnane but as long as he is running Clare he will be a laughing stock. This will be a pity because the talent that is in Clare should bring them a lot of success. They very well may become a one off success team and labeled as a flash in the pan

Borders no.2

I don't think Clare got much of the rub of the green today but really first half against Waterford in the league aside, they have looked stuck to the ground for most of this year. They battled on like true champions but it wasn't to be.

Clare still have an excellent team and they have a good age profile in their team, they should re-charge over the winter and be back next year but some of the hype about them going on to dominate hurling for the next decade may have been a tad premature. Davy will have to examine Clare's tactics for 2015 as they were well studied this year but Clare have the talent and speed in their side to adapt and go again.

The big test for Wexford now is getting over Waterford. If they do that it'll be as significant a step forward as this result. Wexford looked down and out for a long time only a few years back so good to see them beginning to re-emerge.

Santa Cruz

STB wrote: »

What Liam Dunne now needs to do is rein those players in from reading the headlines and getting ideas.

Whoever the forwards coach is (I think its Liam Griffin) will need to get players 8-15 back at the training ground as quick as possible in front of those posts if they are going to employ distance shooting effectively.

Wexford have a bit to do there all right but it's great to see them back. Was at the U21 final Wednesday as a neutral and you could see that the traditional Wexford style called the shots. The Wexford Board wouldn't want to get complacent though. There's loads of potential down there but it must be nourished
It's a pity that a certain individual with an ego issue is looking like destroying a great bunch of talented Clare hurlers

marco_polo

keeponhurling wrote: »

Easy to say that now.

But from last year, we changed goalies, switched Dillon and David Mac, brought in Jack Browne, as well as introduced Duggan in the forwards, and Seadna Morey saw a lot more game time.

I'm not sure how many changes we should be aiming for to an All- Ireland winning team ?

Anyways, we got luck to win the All- Ireland last year, and I don't think we got any decisions over the 3 games this year.
It sounds like sour grapes, but frees in not given towards the end today for fouls on Cunningham and Conlon were beyond belief.
And while Browne probably deserved his red today, it appeared as though the ref had made his decision and was over-ruled by the umpire!

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Of course I am not asking for wholesale changes but there are a going to be a good few more talented young players going to be coming out of minor/U21 over the next year or two and you'd like to see them being given a little bit more game time in the league and bedded into the panel than I felt happened this year.

That part wasn't really a factor today, but there is no denying that teams seem to have figured out how to play against what was a very successful system last year, lessening the impact of some of our key players.

Orizio

Rightwing wrote: »

Still we must give Wexford credit, they didnt even resort to dirty tactics.

Possibly the greatest achievement for any Wexford team, nevermind one trained by Liam Dunne.

citykat

Not surprised at today's result. Clare haven't been right all season. Don't appear to have managed the transition from contenders to winners. Lack discipline would point to a deeper malaise within the team IMO. This should have been reined in by Davy after the drawn match. The blame for this can only be laid at one man's door.
Great win for Wexford. Plenty for them to work on for next Week. I would fancy them against Waterford. Their biggest problem now will be complacency after defeating the AI champions.

Santa Cruz

citykat wrote: »

Not surprised at today's result. Clare haven't been right all season. Don't appear to have managed the transition from contenders to winners. Lack discipline would point to a deeper malaise within the team IMO. This should have been reined in by Davy after the drawn match. The blame for this can only be laid at one man's door.
Great win for Wexford. Plenty for them to work on for next Week. I would fancy them against Waterford. Their biggest problem now will be complacency after defeating the AI champions.

Correction. Last years AI champions

geoffrie1

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Correction. Last years AI champions

Well technically they still are. So yeah...