Brazil vrs Germany , World Cup Semi-Final , 8/7/2014 , 9.00pm MOD WARNING in OP

MaroonAndGreen

Likely Brazil 11:

GK Cesar
RB Maicon
LB Marcelo
CB Luiz (C)
CB Dante
CM Paulinho
CM Fernandinho
LM Hulk
RM Oscar
CAM Willian
CF Fred

Neymar out injured, Thiago Silva suspended. Willian possible replacement for Neymar but tough to call.

Likely Germany 11:

GK Neuer
RB Lahm (C)
LB Howedes
CB Hummells
CB Boateng
CM Schweinsteiger
CM Khedira
CM Kroos
LM Ozil
RM Muller
CF Klose

Will probably stick with the same team that beat France.

Odds:
Brazil - 9/5
Germany - 7/4
Draw - 11/5

To Qualify:
Brazil - 10/11
Germany - 10/11

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MaroonAndGreen

Personally hope to see a Germany win, didnt like the way Brazil played vrs Colombia or Chile and I feel that'd it'd be a bit of an injustice were they to progress to the final now.

Brazil have 5 world class players IMO: Luiz, Silva, Marcelo, Oscar, Neymar.
With 2 of them missing it could be a struggle for them.

Im going to say 2-1 to Germany but it'll be a batlle.

Cypher_sounds

Luis Gustavo will start for Brasil. I also expect to see Alves return to the starting lineup.

NIMAN

I think this is going to penalties.

So Brazil kicked Colombia up and down the pitch, as I think Big Phil thought they weren't good enough to outfootball them. What will be do tonight? More of the same? It will be a dogged affair, thats for sure.

His team is limited and his 2 best players so far out, so I think he will be happy to win on pens.

Up to now I would have wanted Germany to win this one, but I think a Brazil final would be good, especially if Argentina come through the other semi.

But I have an inkling for a Germany v Holland final myself.

Reekwind

Schürrle, Brazil are about to get Kroosified?

gosplan

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Personally hope to see a Germany win, didnt like the way Brazil played vrs Colombia or Chile and I feel that'd it'd be a bit of an injustice were they to progress to the final now.

Brazil have 5 world class players IMO: Luiz, Silva, Marcelo, Oscar, Neymar.
With 2 of them missing it could be a struggle for them.

Im going to say 2-1 to Germany but it'll be a batlle.

... or 3 world class players and two more with Chelsea connections.

TwoShedsJackson

Lol at David Luiz being described as world class. Germany to win this one tonight, going to be close though.

Meanwhile, for any betting types, a tip from another forum:

Bet that there will be a sending off. Chiquimarco is reffing.

-last World Cup match he'll ever do
-the whole world will be watching
-he's ruined at least 3 finals in Mexico with his reffing
-he holds recording for giving quickest red in Copa Libertadores history (like 30secs)
-once booked two players at the same time by holding a yellow card in each hand
-he has his own gel brand called ChiquiGel
-he will take revenge for us Mexicans by ruining a World Cup semi

Sounds like a solid tip to me, got 3/1 on William Hill.

Lovely Bloke

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Meanwhile, for any betting types, a tip from another forum:



Sounds like a solid tip to me, got 3/1 on William Hill.

Got 7/2 on PP

Augmerson

Germany for the win, final versus Argentina.

Lucas Hood

Amazing that Brazil & Germany have only met once before in the world cup.

Lemlin

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Luis Gustavo will start for Brasil. I also expect to see Alves return to the starting lineup.

Who do you think will lose out because Gustavo plays? Fernandinho or Paulinho?

Skylinehead

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Brazil have 5 world class players IMO: Luiz, Silva, Marcelo, Oscar, Neymar.
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Luiz? :pac:

Oscar isn't there yet, and Marcelo isn't exactly a world beater himself.

Lucas Hood

Lemlin wrote: »

Who do you think will lose out because Gustavo plays? Fernandinho or Paulinho?

Paulinho.

weisses

Germany to win this one easily.

4-2

weisses

Another thing is that there are no referees left that has connections with the semi finalists despite they are good referees (Kuipers for instance) except for 1

Only one referee from the four remaining countries in the tournament has been retained, Sandro Meira Ricci from Brazil

Lemlin

weisses wrote: »

Germany to win this one easily.

4-2

You're optimistic. I don't expect this one to have close to that many goals.

Diabhal Beag

This is going to extra time and will be the worst game so far

Kerrigooney

I never thought I'd see the day I'd want to see Germany beat Brazil but that's what this Brazil team has done to me. They're a horrible team to watch.

kfallon

Klose to break Ronaldo's WC Goals record against Brazil....in Brazil?

Rookster

Germany 1-0 Brazil.

smileyj1987

David Luiz world class ? Nice joke . The bloke is an accident waiting to happen .

tastyt

I think Brazil are going to be twice as negative as usual tonight. They will be petrified of leaving luiz and Dante exposed because they could be a disaster together.

Gustavo and fernandinho to sit in front of the defence all night long and kick. Brazil will play for nil all and hope to get a set piece goal like last two games.

The game really needs an early German goal foe the neutral. In saying that I should be neutral but cmon ze Germans!!!!!

eagle eye

David Luiz has been brilliant in this tournament. He seems to get a lot of stick from a lot of people on here. His transfer value has went up too over his time at Chelsea so he has to have been doing something right.

I've always like the lad because he will leave everything on the pitch and for me that makes him a great player. He just wasn't suited to the style of football played at Chelsea.

Pro. F

David Luiz is a dreadful defender.

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

David Luiz has been brilliant in this tournament. He seems to get a lot of stick from a lot of people on here. His transfer value has went up too over his time at Chelsea so he has to have been doing something right.

He has been good this tournament, but I don't think he's a good defender. He's a good player, but that's not enough in his role. Has his transfer value really gone up? He cost Chelsea 25m, I certainly wouldn't pay that for him. PSG are just stupud really. He just cannot be relied on in defence.

Super-Rush

eagle eye wrote: »

David Luiz has been brilliant in this tournament. He seems to get a lot of stick from a lot of people on here. His transfer value has went up too over his time at Chelsea so he has to have been doing something right.

I've always like the lad because he will leave everything on the pitch and for me that makes him a great player. He just wasn't suited to the style of football played at Chelsea.

So basically he's a CB whose play doesn't suit the style of one of the most defensive minded managers there is.

Johner

Pro. F wrote: »

David Luiz is a dreadful defender.

No he isn't.

Johner

sugarman wrote: »

Yes, he is. Much better deployed as a DM.

That would be the position I would play him but he isn't a dreadful defender.

eagle eye

I think he is much better as the left centre-back and he has MoM awards at Chelsea in that position when Terry was out. Sometimes he played as the RCB and he had made mistakes playing that position but I don't remember him making them playing as the LCB at Chelsea or with Brazil. He is never going to fit into the Mourinho system which is far too rigid a formation for him.

weisses

Lemlin wrote: »

You're optimistic. I don't expect this one to have close to that many goals.

Based on the Germans having an early goal .. throws the game wide open imo

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

. He is never going to fit into the Mourinho system which is far too rigid a formation for him.

No formation should ever be too rigid for a centre half. If it is, the defender is doing something horribly wrong.

AllGunsBlazing

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

This is going to extra time and will be the worst game so far

That's a depressing thought considering how bad the 1/4 finals were.

eagle eye

Skylinehead wrote: »

No formation should ever be too rigid for a centre half. If it is, the defender is doing something horribly wrong.

Mourinho's system will make older players look great because they just sit back and don't do much moving but an athletic centre-half like Luiz who likes to run out of defense with the ball does not go down well with Mourinho.

tastyt

Luiz could well be found out tonight because he is capable of being terrible but to be fair to him he has played well this tournament. He hasn't been at fault for any goals conceded and has got two important goals himself.

I'm not a big fan but to say he has been bad so far is a bit harsh

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

Mourinho's system will make older players look great because they just sit back and don't do much moving but an athletic centre-half like Luiz who likes to run out of defense with the ball does not go down well with Mourinho.

There's bringing the ball out of defence smartly and then there's David Luizing it. He's a bit of a headless chicken positioning-wise.

Ed Winchester

Skylinehead wrote: »

There's bringing the ball out of defence smartly and then there's David Luizing it. He's a bit of a headless chicken positioning-wise.

This.

He's a maverick. And a liability to his team. I'd imagine he's a nightmare to play with.

eagle eye

Skylinehead wrote: »

There's bringing the ball out of defence smartly and then there's David Luizing it. He's a bit of a headless chicken positioning-wise.

Apples and oranges, you say one thing I say the other. Waste of time having this discussion. I think he is brilliant football who will do really well at PSG, obviously you disagree with that.

smileyj1987

eagle eye wrote: »

Apples and oranges, you say one thing I say the other. Waste of time having this discussion. I think he is brilliant football who will do really well at PSG, obviously you disagree with that.

I don't think he is a bad footballer . He is a liability at center half . His best position is really and truly playing as a central defensive midfielder . He was brilliant in that role .

Iused2likebusts

eagle eye wrote: »

Apples and oranges, you say one thing I say the other. Waste of time having this discussion. I think he is brilliant football who will do really well at PSG, obviously you disagree with that.

I totally agree with you his skillsets as a defender aren't really appreciated or suited to the Pl. I think he will do great at PSG as he generally does for Brazil. Still can't understand how Chelsea got 50 million for him though. There is a general dislike of him in these parts as could be seen by the reaction to his free kick Messi or ronaldo score that and we would've had page after page of comments.

Pro. F

eagle eye wrote: »

I think he is much better as the left centre-back and he has MoM awards at Chelsea in that position when Terry was out. Sometimes he played as the RCB and he had made mistakes playing that position but I don't remember him making them playing as the LCB at Chelsea or with Brazil. He is never going to fit into the Mourinho system which is far too rigid a formation for him.

He was comedy bad for the Croatian goal and weak for the Colombian play that led to the penalty. So there's two mistakes leading to goals in this tournament alone.

Corholio

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I totally agree with you his skillsets as a defender aren't really appreciated or suited to the Pl. I think he will do great at PSG as he generally does for Brazil. Still can't understand how Chelsea got 50 million for him though. There is a general dislike of him in these parts as could be seen by the reaction to his free kick Messi or ronaldo score that and we would've had page after page of comments.

Not suited to PL? He's either a good defender or he's not. He might do better at PSG because it's an easier league. He's a very talented player but he's not extremely good in any one position. In CM he started off great but over a longer period of time he was being ran through by other midfields. I actually like the guy too, he seems a guy who loves football and seems a character, so it's not a dislike of him. Don't know why something like that is always brought up when people have an opinion that a player isn't brilliant.

On the match, I hope Brazil go through but it will be quite close. Despite what some people say, Brazil have been solid enough in defence. Lot more equally big teams have looked bit more dodgy than them. Neymar and Silva will be a big loss though and I don't know if Brazil will have the nous up front to do the job. Oscar will be an important player tonight, will have to take up the mantle of a lot of what Neymar does.

A Primal Nut

Germany also fouled Antoine Griezmann every time he went on a run; the only reason it didn't continue was because the referee gave Germany a couple of yellow cards; whereas as Brazil didn't get any for a very long time.

Both teams are as bad as each other; but Germany can also play decent football; they should win this.

Iused2likebusts

Corholio wrote: »

Not suited to PL? He's either a good defender or he's not. He might do better at PSG because it's an easier league. He's a very talented player but he's not extremely good in any one position. In CM he started off great but over a longer period of time he was being ran through by other midfields. I actually like the guy too, he seems a guy who loves football and seems a character, so it's not a dislike of him. Don't know why something like that is always brought up when people have an opinion that a player isn't brilliant.
s.

My thinking would be that because he is a ball playing CB the closing down by forwards which is generally more prevelant in the PL aswell as the fact that possession isnt as important compared to other big european leagues goes against his style of play somewhat. Having said that I still feel he would get into most PL teams at CB quite comfortably.

ebbsy

Could well be a classic. Why Not ?

Brazil w'ont be kicking the Germans up and down the park however.

4-2 away win.

Iused2likebusts

Pro. F wrote: »

He was comedy bad for the Croatian goal and weak for the Colombian play that led to the penalty. So there's two mistakes leading to goals in this tournament alone.

If you are blaming him for those 2 goals then there can't be too many defenders in world football you actually rate. The Cameroon goal if any goal could go down as partly his fault.

Boskowski

What's the obsession with David Luiz anyway?

He's neither good or bad enough to be pivotal for this WC semi final.
He's just tge latest guy to get fashionably scrutinised and singled out by the sky machine (and Eamon D). Like Mertesacker and de Michelis before him.

I like him but he's just an individual and at that not even the standout guy in his team.

If you must discuss Brazils defending prowess wouldn't Dante vs Silva be a much more acute topic?

Pro. F

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

If you are blaming him for those 2 goals then there can't be too many defenders in world football you actually rate. The Cameroon goal if any goal could go down as partly his fault.

For the Croatian goal Luiz completely lost track of Jelavic and got beaten to the ball. Jelavic missed the ball and it carried on through to Marcelo who also fcked up. It was comedy defending from Luiz to lose his marker that easily. I can't believe you think that he did okay there.

For the Colombian goal he left his marker to make a challenge for the ball; he only succeeded in kicking the ball to another Colombian (I wouldn't criticise him for that), but then was very slow in switching back to his marker who was free to receive the ball and was through on the keeper. It wasn't the worst of mistakes, but he was slow getting back on his marker and it did lead to the penalty.

For the Cameroonian goal he was on the near post and had a player off to his left to mark. The player who scored was behind him and Marcelo and Gustavo had him until they decided to not bother about defending. So I wouldn't blame Luiz for that goal.

Jelle1880

Can't really see past a Germany win, with the players not available for Brazil.

But then again, I've lost quite a lot of money betting on this World Cup so wouldn't surprise me to see a 3-0 Brazil victory :pac:

Pro. F

Boskowski wrote: »

What's the obsession with David Luiz anyway?

He's neither good or bad enough to be pivotal for this WC semi final.
He's just tge latest guy to get fashionably scrutinised by the sky machine. Like Mertesacker and de Michelis before him.

I like him but he's just an individual and at that not even the standout guy in his team.

If you must discuss Brazils defending prowess wouldn't Dante vs Silva be a much more acute topic?

Nothing to do with what any pundits are saying. In fact I'm not sure I've heard any pundits criticizing him in this tournament. I'm able to judge players myself so jog the fúck on.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

Nothing to do with what any pundits are saying. In fact I'm not sure I've heard any pundits criticizing him in this tournament. I'm able to judge players myself so jog the fúck on.

the RTE pundits were scathing of Luiz - not saying that they're necessarily right. Quietened down a bit after his free kick.

Boskowski

Pro. F wrote: »

Nothing to do with what any pundits are saying. In fact I'm not sure I've heard any pundits criticizing him in this tournament. I'm able to judge players myself so jog the fúck on.

Jesus you're such a hard man. I'm in awe.