Brazil vrs Germany , World Cup Semi-Final , 8/7/2014 , 9.00pm MOD WARNING in OP

Pro. F

Boskowski wrote: »

Jesus you're such a hard man. I'm in awe.

You're the one popping in with the insults, dismissing our criticism of the player as media hype, as if the critics are morons who can't think for themselves.

TwoShedsJackson

eagle eye wrote: »

His transfer value has went up too over his time at Chelsea so he has to have been doing something right.

I recall Fernando Torres' transfer value rising while he was at Liverpool. Past performance is no indication of future results.

Boskowski

Pro. F wrote: »

You're the one popping in with the insults, dismissing our criticism of the player as media hype, as if the critics are morons who can't think for themselves.

You want to look up what an insult is.

Opening up this forum to the general public really has lowered the tone...

weisses

Boskowski wrote: »

Opening up this forum to the general public really has lowered the tone...

Thanks

Pro. F

Boskowski wrote: »

You want to look up what an insult is.

Opening up this forum to the general public really has lowered the tone...

Implying that posters can't form their own opinions and are only regurgitating media talk is an insult, obviously.

Skylinehead

Boskowski wrote: »

You want to look up what an insult is.

Opening up this forum to the general public really has lowered the tone...

Most here are regulars. Not least of which is Pro F...

Boskowski

weisses wrote: »

Thanks

Don't really mean that. Only trying to troll your man. :pac:

Iused2likebusts

Pro. F wrote: »

For the Croatian goal Luiz completely lost track of Jelavic and got beaten to the ball. Jelavic missed the ball and it carried on through to Marcelo who also fcked up. It was comedy defending from Luiz to lose his marker that easily. I can't believe you think that he did okay there.

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He was running back to his own goal while having to keep an eye on jelavic and was in a decent position to block jelavics shot if he had of connected that was my feeling watching it initially and since on YouTube. Anyway on tonight's game I'm hoping for a Brazil win but would make the Germans slight favourites.

Boskowski

Pro. F wrote: »

Implying that posters can't form their own opinions and are only regurgitating media talk is an insult, obviously.

No it's not. If that was true I couldn't ever disagree with you on anything without insulting you.

Pro. F

Boskowski wrote: »

No it's not. If that was true I couldn't ever disagree with you on anything without insulting you.

Yes, because all disagreements you have must be expressed by saying that the people expressing the opposing view are only regurgitating media talk. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

auldgranny

Pro. F wrote: »

David Luiz is a dreadful defender.

His clearance on the line at a critical moment in confederations cup final earned him my respect. Ok mickey mouse tournament but what a clearance

Boskowski

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes, because all disagreements you have must be expressed by saying that the people expressing the opposing view are only regurgitating media talk. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

I can see your point. But what I mean is would we have this discussion if he wasn't constantly being trotted out by sky/Eamon?
Is his presence or not presence really going to win or cost Brazil the World Cup?

Edit: look I didn't mean to rile you up. I can see how if not particularly thick skinned on the day you could read some passive aggressive thing into my first post. Didn't mean it.
Not particularly thick skinned me self today btw.

Come On Deutschland!

Pro. F

Boskowski wrote: »

I can see your point. But what I mean is would we have this discussion if he wasn't constantly being trotted out by sky/Eamon?

Yes. Because he is a poor defender that cost €50m.

Boskowski wrote: »

Is his presence or not presence really going to win or cost Brazil the World Cup?

He costs his teams goals regularly when playing at CB, so there's a reasonable chance that he will cost Brazil.

Sugarlumps

Easy German win.

Montroseee

I don't see this being easy, probably a 1-0 German win with extra time being a strong possibility. Dante is a top defender and Willian is a work horse who can pop up with a goal.

T runner

I actually think an early Brazil goal will make for a more open game.
If Germany score first they've shown that they can navigate a win based on the French match. Also, Germany are quite dangerous when attacking 6-7 opponents from midfield (as will happen if they are leading). Muller's movement causes disarray in opposing defences, allowing crosses to find unmarked Germans.
If Germany score first it could turn out like the Portugal game. If Brazil score first we might get a decent match.
Brazil should keep it tight, hope for a break, set piece, home town decision, whatever.

adox

Please God don't let Brazil win this game tonight.

The quarter final was bordering on farce with their tactics and the refs performance. A horrible team to watch who don't have the balls to do anything than try and kick their way to the final, with possible assistance form the officials.

fryup

a controversial night to come i wonder??

will the ref be a homer?

bad2dabone

fryup wrote: »

will the ref be a homer?

Will the ball be round?

jmayo

eagle eye wrote: »

David Luiz has been brilliant in this tournament. He seems to get a lot of stick from a lot of people on here. His transfer value has went up too over his time at Chelsea so he has to have been doing something right.

I've always like the lad because he will leave everything on the pitch and for me that makes him a great player. He just wasn't suited to the style of football played at Chelsea.

To me Luiz is a bit of a qaundry.
He is a good footballer, good with the ball, great shot as we have seen, but he can get a little lost and that is not always good for a centre half.
Some of his clearances in this WC have been rediculous.
Now giving him the benefit of the doubt he is probably told by Scolari to hoof into space up front as there is no one in midfield to give it to.

Montroseee wrote: »

I don't see this being easy, probably a 1-0 German win with extra time being a strong possibility. Dante is a top defender and Willian is a work horse who can pop up with a goal.

I wouldn't rate Dante that highly.
The very interesting thing tonight is that there are two defenders from Bayern here who could be targetted by both sides.
Boateng could be targetted by Brazilian runners and likewise with Dante and German attackers.
Then again Mertesacker being run at by Hulk would not be pleasurable for all the German fans.
Hummels should definitely stead the ship and Lahm should be back in defense with Khedira, Schweinsteiger in front of them.

Anyway Deutschland über alles.

Neeson

Trevor joins george in the commentary box this evening.

fryup

good combo ^^

Moist Bread

Brazil will win this easy. 2-0 or 3-0

Tokarev

fryup wrote: »

a controversial night to come i wonder??

will the ref be a homer?

I don't know why people keep saying this?
And not aimed at just you fryup.

Ok, Brasil got a few say calls in their favour in certain matches,

But check the stats - Brasil are only 2nd to Costa Rica for most cards in tournament.

Brasil have 10 yellow cards so far - Costa Rica got 10 yellows and one red.

And if the refs was always (say) up for Brasil.
There's no way the captain of Brasil, T.Silva would have got that yellow?
Resulting in a automatic ban for this match!

Anyway - Germany to win 2-1 in hopefully a very exciting match.

8-10

Moist Bread wrote: »

Brazil will win this easy. 2-0 or 3-0

I agree with this, backed them -1, and also Bernard to score last for them

yohan the great

Pro. F wrote: »

David Luiz is a dreadful defender.

Stop listening to pundits so much and actually look at the match yourself. He has been as good as Thiago Silva in this tournament who is the best defender in the world

Ed Winchester

yohan the great wrote: »

Stop listening to pundits so much and actually look at the match yourself. He has been as good as Thiago Silva in this tournament who is the best defender in the world

In your opinion.

adox

yohan the great wrote: »

Stop listening to pundits so much and actually look at the match yourself. He has been as good as Thiago Silva in this tournament who is the best defender in the world

Such a lazy argument.

prettyboy81

Zzzzzzz Germans to win 3-1 in 90mins!

yohan the great

adox wrote: »

Such a lazy argument.

I think its fair to say that the media seem to have an agenda against Luiz and I think a lot of people start believing the notion that he is a bad defender because of this without looking at games

Tokarev

adox wrote: »

Such a lazy argument.

As much as i don't rate David Luiz so much,

He has been up there with the best centre backs in this world cup,

Only Varane, Hummels and T.Silva have been better than him at this tournament, regarding centre backs.

Lucas Hood

14,161 days since Brazil last lost a competitive game on home soil.

Ed Winchester

yohan the great wrote: »

I think its fair to say that the media seem to have an agenda against Luiz and I think a lot of people start believing the notion that he is a bad defender because of this without looking at games

I think it's fair to say also, that the people who go to the effort to comment on a soccer forum, probably have more than just a passing interest in the game and therefore would have seen him play on numerous occasions.
Just because you don't agree with someone's point of view doesn't automatically make them ignorant.

Charlie19

Fred and Hulk to take the Germans by the scruf and place Brazil in the final..


In reality I cant see past an efficient german win.

Tokarev

Germany vs the host country in major tournaments:

9 Won ('62, '72, ’76, ’82, ’86, ’92, ’96, ’02, ’08)

2 Lost (’58, ’66)

Cypher_sounds

#BRA LINE-UP: Julio Cesar, David Luiz (c), Fernandinho, Marcelo, Hulk, Fred, Oscar, Dante, Luiz Gustavo, Bernard, Maicon

#GER LINE-UP: Neuer, Hoewedes, Hummels, Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Ozil, Klose, Muller, Lahm (c), Kroos, Boateng

irish_goat

Tokarev wrote: »

Germany vs the host country in major tournaments:

9 Won ('62, '72, ’76, ’82, ’86, ’92, ’96, ’02, ’08)

2 Lost (’58, ’66)

I can't see how matches in the 50's-90's against a bunch of other countries have any bearing on tonight...

Ferris_Bueller

David Luiz does get an awful lot of stick, he might not be worth the £40/50m that PSG paid for him but surely if two of the top clubs in Europe were willing to sign him he can't be as bad as some people make him out to be, not to mention starting for Brazil. I like him personally, he takes a lot of risks (maybe more than a centre half should take) but more often than not the risk pays off and he comes out the better, he has pace, he's strong, good in the air, good at taking the ball out of defence, has a strong shot on him - I honestly think he will be one of the best centre halves in the world in 5 years, he just needs to mature that little bit.

I want Brazil to win it but think Germany will be too strong with Neymar & Silva missing, I'll go Germany 1-0. Can't say I'm an expert on Bernard but I definitely would have started Willian tonight.

Pro. F

yohan the great wrote: »

Stop listening to pundits so much and actually look at the match yourself. He has been as good as Thiago Silva in this tournament who is the best defender in the world

Stop judging him by transfer fees and actually watch the games that he plays in. You see, I can make an idiotic argument just like yours.

Mr.Crinklewood

Busy in here...

I thought all the talk about semis would be in the hotties thread.

eagle eye

Have to fancy the Germans to win this one with Neymar and Thiago Silva not playing.

Its looking likely that we will get a repeat of the Mexico World Cup final.

Crann na Beatha

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Billy86

Oh look, we are at the semis and Richie, Brad, Darragh and Didi have all been dropped for the Old Boys Club. What a shocker.

For the match, if Brazil are to win they will need Marco Rodriguez to play out of his skin for them at the heart of things.

JP Liz V1

Come on Germany

kevohmsford

Hopefully Germany can win it. Neymar and Thiago Silva are big losses for Brazil.

GreNoLi

C'mon Brasil!!

What does Fred have on Scolari and what has Lucas Moura done to him?

jamesbere

Come on ze Germans

vidor

eagle eye wrote: »

Its looking likely that we will get a repeat of the Mexico World Cup final.

Which one's that?

Kerrigooney

vidor wrote: »

Which one's that?

Was there more than 1?

EDIT:Yes of course there was...silly me

eagle eye

I really hope Brazil can do it. It'll be an incredible achievement if they can win this game without both their captain and their star player.