Brazil vrs Germany , World Cup Semi-Final , 8/7/2014 , 9.00pm MOD WARNING in OP

SeanJ09

I recall laughing reading an article of Anderson's ( Man U) desire to get into the Brazilian WC squad after his loan move to Fiorentina in January. Its not actually that laughable given that some of the players Scolari elected to include in the squad are absolute s***e.

Super-Rush

Soldie wrote: »

Same in Berlin. Neighbours ran out of fireworks 30 mins into the game.

I'm heading there on Monday for the week.

Hopefully it will be a week long party.

Laois_Man

Piliger wrote: »

What we saw was a monumental case of ENTITLEMENT exposed, eviscerated and sent packing.

Ah shur they're bound to come first on SOMETHING when they host the Olympics in 2 years time.

Just not in the football

Godge

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ozil is crap

What a silly comment. To be fair to him, off the top of my head, he has had a better World Cup than:

Liverpool: Sterling, Sturridge, Gerrard, Suarez, Toure, Reina, Mignolet, Lambert and Henderson

Man Utd: Jones, Rooney, Smalling, Welbeck, Januzaj, Kagawa, Valencia and Evra

Chelsea: Oscar, Willian, Hazard, Ramires, Lampard, Torres and Cahill

Spurs: Paulinho, Chadli, did they have anyone else at the World Cup?

City: Kompany, Fernandinho, Toure and Silva.

I would say Ozil hasn't had too bad a time.

Omackeral

Imagine being a Brazilian Garth Brooks fan in Ireland today.

tayto lover

mada999 wrote: »

Liam Brady hit the nail on the head earlier about Irish football, it's all about physicality, looking for the big physical lads, no one holding on to the ball and passing it. Totally agree, encountered the same growing up, 11 6ft+ lads on a pitch hoofing it up, and it's still happening in leagues in Ireland today. German football tonight was unreal, 1 touch 2 touch pass and move, totally blew Brazil away... that's what we should be teaching our kids who play the game now

Have you not watched Dundalk this season?

BMJD

after #6 I was like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaRBHQlEu-o

PhlegmyMoses

Piliger wrote: »

What we saw was a monumental case of ENTITLEMENT exposed, eviscerated and sent packing.

The Brazilian team have been swaggering around as if they own the world cup and are ENTITLED by nature of being born in Brazil, and have been carried along, scraping past each game on a wave of support, from their fans and excessive respect by their opponents.

Tonight we saw players with average talent, no character and no sense of pride. They shamed their country and they shamed football by a performance that was worse than teams I have seen on Sunday mornings in my local park.

This is crazily hypeebolic

The_Kew_Tour

I enjoyed that

Iused2likebusts

no doubt there will be some trouble but the riot shots put up in this thread are actually from last year.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/austinhunt/these-brazil-riot-photos-on-twitter-are-not-from-today

Paully D

This may have been already posted, apologies if so, but the **** are the Mail playing at with the below? Talk about an agenda.

Will I Amnt

It's weird how Özil is getting singled out for all the criticism.

mada999

tayto lover wrote: »

Have you not watched Dundalk this season?

exception to the rule and a great coach who wants the game played correctly, I'm talking about grass roots stuff and weekend managers tbh, "eh, I'll throw the big lads on", rubbish...

smileyj1987

Augmerson

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's weird how Özil is getting singled out for all the criticism.

Is it? What station are you watching? If it's RTE then I'm not surprised. Only German player besides Mertesacker who plays in the EPL. Didn't set the league on fire in his debut season but hardly a flop. Ozil is an easy target.

murpho999

Why are people going on about Ozil when he's just reached the World Cup final with a record breaking victory.

Do you think he gives a sh1t what internet warriors think?

Gringo180

Paully D wrote: »

This may have been already posted, apologies if so, but the **** are the Mail playing at with the below? Talk about an agenda.

Scum. Of. The. Earth.

Anybody who takes that rag serious is a clown.

Will I Amnt

Augmerson wrote: »

Is it? What station are you watching? If it's RTE then I'm not surprised. Only German player besides Mertesacker who plays in the EPL. Didn't set the league on fire in his debut season but hardly a flop. Ozil is an easy target.

Not watching anything, just reading over this thread and that article posted above. There's a sh*tload of players that had a far worse time in the competition.

hjkl

mada999 wrote: »

exception to the rule and a great coach who wants the game played correctly, I'm talking about grass roots stuff and weekend managers tbh, "eh, I'll throw the big lads on", rubbish...

Tbf Pats and Sligo play some lovely, stylish football aswell.

Mr.Micro

Brasil got found out for the flops they are. Scolari...that's the problem. Picks his pet players, and only a few with real talent. Well done Germany.

Will I Amnt

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Brasil got found out for the flops they are. Scolari...that's the problem. Picks his pet players, and only a few with real talent. Well done Germany.

Who else could he have brought that would have made a big difference?

Augmerson

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not watching anything, just reading over this thread and that article posted above. There's a sh*tload of players that had a far worse time in the competition.

Ah right.

Don't understand it myself. Ozil has been competent, done right. Didn't set the tournament on fire but Thought Gotze's form dipped a bit and Ozil should definitely start the final.

eyescreamcone

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Who else could he have brought that would have made a big difference?

Couthino

Gbear

Ozil has been poor. You'd expect him to be leading the way in this Germany side - he's the most talented player in the squad.

Instead he's been a passenger.

Eircom_Sucks

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Who else could he have brought that would have made a big difference?

Romario , ronaldo , cafu , rivaldo , r carlos , c taferal , ronaldinho lol

Any would have been better than these chums

Al Capwned

Lucas Hood wrote: »

14,161 days since Brazil last lost a competitive game on home soil.

Fixed that there....

OwaynOTT

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's weird how Özil is getting singled out for all the criticism.

He's crap! Let me down by not scoring along with Lavezzi tomorrow night. Honestly, I think the 42.5 million man should be punished by being made to move to Liverpool,and play at Anfield.
That should show him!




It really isn't weird why he's being made into a footballing pariah. People love to see high profile failures and his high fee has the press brandishing knives and fans are swallowing this and regurgitating it.
I think he will have a great season next year and pie will be doing rounds.

BarcodeMuncher

Bar Lucas Moura, Miranda and Filipe Luis there wasn't much else out there for him, personally I would have brought any brazillian striker in their league, perhaps Pato. The home World Cup came at the wrong time for Brazil in terms of the talent necessary to win it and the finances to fund it properly.

Will I Amnt

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Couthino

Nah.

Will I Amnt

OwaynOTT wrote: »

It really isn't weird why he's being made into a footballing pariah. People love to see high profile failures and his high fee has the press brandishing knives and fans are swallowing this and regurgitating it.
I think he will have a great season next year and pie will be doing rounds.

I see where you're coming from but it's still a bit strange to me. I'd understand the reasoning behind that article Paully D posted if he was English.

feargale

gandalf wrote: »

Whats the largest defeat a team has had in the World Cup Finals?

Congo ( then called Zaire) circa 1974, lost about 9 - 0, to Yugoslavia, I think. Dont know if that's a record for finals or not. Tubilando was the goalkeeper. I'm fairly sure he never became president.

Tokarev

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people going on about Ozil when he's just reached the World Cup final with a record breaking victory.

Do you think he gives a sh1t what internet warriors think?

No, It's just that he's Shtie.......but looks good.

Cienciano

Paully D wrote: »

This may have been already posted, apologies if so, but the **** are the Mail playing at with the below? Talk about an agenda.

Surely you know how the Daily Mail works? Click bait.

SeanJ09

BarcodeMuncher wrote: »

Bar Lucas Moura, Miranda and Filipe Luis there wasn't much else out there for him, personally I would have brought any brazillian striker in their league, perhaps Pato. The home World Cup came at the wrong time for Brazil in terms of the talent necessary to win it and the finances to fund it properly.

Rafael, who is no world beater himself, was surely a better option than Maicon in the squad even? Thought Lucas Leiva may have deserved a spot also. Pato, feels like he has been around for ages but is only 24, surely he was a better option than either Fred or Jo?

feargale

Brazil should look at the bright side. They almost won the second half, going down 2 - 1. You're only as good ( or as bad ) as your last half.

Will I Amnt

BarcodeMuncher wrote: »

Bar Lucas Moura, Miranda and Filipe Luis there wasn't much else out there for him, personally I would have brought any brazillian striker in their league, perhaps Pato. The home World Cup came at the wrong time for Brazil in terms of the talent necessary to win it and the finances to fund it properly.

Not bringing Moura was a surprise and probably a mistake in hindsight.

Birdnuts

Its a pity Columbia didn't beat Brazil - would have made for a far better semi. Brazil were never going to beat Germany without Silva and Neymer. Though the scale of the shamble did surprise me. Actually felt sorry for Fred in the end....looks more like a porn star than a footballer, which may be a more rewarding career for him after tonight.

OwaynOTT

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I see where you're coming from but it's still a bit strange to me. I'd understand the reasoning behind that article Paully D posted if he was English.

I think the English media like to knock Wenger at times and if his record signing failed to be a success, they could beat him with that stick.
'Can't sign big money signings and his isn't uncovering as many cheap gems, Wenger out, too many foreigners at Arsenal, needs more Wiltshire type players.' Would sell a lot of their papers.

Or maybe I'm talking shoite, I am a sap like.

BarcodeMuncher

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Rafael, who is no world beater himself, was surely a better option than Maicon in the squad even? Thought Lucas Leiva may have deserved a spot also. Pato, feels like he has been around for ages but is only 24, surely he was a better option than either Fred or Jo?

If this was any other world cup on different soil where Brazil calmed their expectations even slightly and they hadn't been absolutely hammered in the semi-final, it could be considered a good run for the squad at their disposal but all the hipe really added the fuel.

Tokarev

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not bringing Moura was a surprise and probably a mistake in hindsight.

Lucas moura is rubbish anyway.

BarcodeMuncher

Tokarev wrote: »

Lucas moura is rubbish anyway.

Still better than Hulk and arguably Bernard

Tokarev

BarcodeMuncher wrote: »

Still better than Hulk and arguably Bernard

Them two are rubbish too.

yohan the great

yohan the great wrote: »

Stop listening to pundits so much and actually look at the match yourself. He has been as good as Thiago Silva in this tournament who is the best defender in the world

Not my finest moment but in fairness I can't tell the future

Corholio

I think the criticism of Ozil has been quite fair. I hate when criticism of a player like Ozil is typically followed by 'he's an easy target' etc etc. I don't think he's had a great world cup at all, he played well tonight but was probably the 3rd or 4th most influential midfielder on the team. The way he plays he should be 1st consistently.

I was surprised when Real sold him but having Real a lot over the past few years, I could understand why. Modric surpassed him as a 90 minute player last season, he was the player that Ozil could not consistently be for Real. Ozil's stats at Real were impressive of course, but his influence tended to get stuck in the mud around the 70th minute mark in games, his substitution stats show that.

Ozil is a terrific player, but I think if he pushed himself more he could be an even better player and not need to answer criticism, which a lot of the time, is deserved.

Tokarev

yohan the great wrote: »

Not my finest moment but in fairness I can't tell the future

You had a piss and crap!

As in Brasil were crap and Germany took a cr&p on them

yohan the great

Pro. F wrote: »

Stop judging him by transfer fees and actually watch the games that he plays in. You see, I can make an idiotic argument just like yours.

I have watched all the games he's played in this world cup and he was very good in all but one

Rayne Wooney

Pato would have been a good option, surely better than Fred

qwabercd

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Pato would have been a good option, surely better than Fred

Absolutely not. Pato has been woeful for the best part of 3 years. Far, far worse than Fred, which is saying a lot.

Pro. F

yohan the great wrote: »

I have watched all the games he's played in this world cup and he was very good in all but one

Yeah. His performance tonight was a surprise to everybody. Up until this evening he has been as good as Thiago Silva sure. /Lol

yohan the great

Pro. F wrote: »

Yeah. His performance tonight was a surprise to everybody. Up until this evening he has been as good as Thiago Silva sure. /Lol

I don't know what you are laughing at, he has been as good as Thiago Silva in the world cup up until today. Why don't you highlight some of the bad games he had apart from this one in the world cup?