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Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**
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Happyman42 wrote: »Unnamed people fund court cases all the time.
Why is it worth 'investigating' and who is going to bother investigating.
What are you saying happened here, other that there are those within the GAA (myself included) who are concerned with how the corporate wing, namely Croke Park Inc are behaving, and need to be taken down a peg or two?
Are you willing to donate 15k for that concern?0 -
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end of the road wrote: »a bunch of people who wish to destroy the GAA, who are probably anti-irish also, funded a man to take a case against the GAA for no good reason, using the concerts as the perfect opportunity to take a case against the GAA, rather pathetic really
Anti-Irish?
:D:D
A bunch of people who are concerned at the activities and the damage being done by corporate Croke Park and who have no wish to damage the GAA organisation.
Just like the residents this issue is being ignored, a court injunction would demand that those issues are dealt with.0 -
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CapricornOne wrote: »Epic facebook post from one of the various protesters there today -
"Very annoying the way the haters are like wat bout this wat bout that .do they not actually realise the revenue it could bring yes to Our country... THERE country I swear there half inbread twats !!!!"
I'm amazed they got the spelling of revenue right.0 -
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Seems the man's knowledge of geography is on a par with his knowledge of planning law.
Years back I was backpacking in Costa Rica and hitched a lift with two Americans who had lived there for 15 years. They told me that Americans knowledge of geography can be so bad that most people they knew at home couldn't place Costa Rica on a map. Yet it is only 2,000 miles due south of Florida. But whatever about that, it's one thing not to know where it is and an entirely different thing to not know that Costa Rica even exists as a country, which Garth Brooks said. FFS it is 2,000 miles away and he has never even heard of it :rolleyes: The equivalent here would be an Irish person not knowing that Spain is a country or even ever having heard of it.Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »Can the healy raes do anything?
Lol that's the one thing this story is missing- an offer from the Healy-Rae's to host the 5 nights on their farm in Kilgarvan with the promise of hassle free planning permission upfront "unlike those jackeens up in Dublin with their rules and stuff"Curly Judge wrote: »The real elephant in the room here is the Croke Park stadium.
Back in the 90's when they started to build the modern facility [with some of our money by the way] a decision should have been made to move the whole caboodle out to City West, or somewhere like it.
Then they could hold events in it 365, if they could get the bums on the seats,
[which should really be the only consideration].
I know what you're saying and largely agree. However no matter what way you look at it Croke Park is a sporting venue. If the GAA would just leave it there then we wouldn't have a problem.
Think about it another way- how many places are there in the country where you could hold a concert for 80,000 people ? When you include private estates, castles and racecourses across the country the options are almost unlimited. What is limited is the amount of artists out there who can sell 80,000+ tickets in Ireland. In reality there is probably less than 15 acts in the world right now who could sell out an 80,000 show, Id say Lord Henry Mountcharles, knows who they are more than anyone.
So given that there is limitless locations in Ireland where an 80,000+Crowd can be hosted why don't the planners just say to Croker and the Aviva 'look your job is sport, not music' and instead favour applications for large scale gigs to go ahead in private country estates, the types or places with 300+ acres of woodlands and no neighbours. Or Punchestown or Fairyhouse, both huge racecourses just outside Dublin yet convenient for people coming from the west or south.
There's any number of good places in Ireland where big gigs could be held. Slane is a world renowned venue and it really showcases Ireland. There's probably other potential venues as good and as scenic as Slane out there too yet we always seem to insist on a GAA stadium or a rugby one.CapricornOne wrote: »50 people protesting against "the system" outside the GPO
Saw that earlier. 50 people as a percentage of 400,000 people is 0.01%. So we can now say with confidence that 99.9% of ticket holders couldn't care less at this stage. Barbara from Crumlin is the 0.01%Poor Garth Brooks, he's struggling for money. I thought it was about the fans with GB anyway, not the money?
And he has 3 gigs, possibly 4. Considering he originally thought 2 was all he was getting so he'd be making a profit form that. 4 gigs would have been a massive profit for him. And I don't believe this extra big stage people are talking about can only be afforded if he gets 5 gigs.
I'm not buying the 'scaling up' argument either. I'm not saying it's bull, fair enough when 5 gigs sold out they decided to add extra special effects but unless they were planning on building a rollercoaster inside the stadium I don't buy the idea that the scaling up was suddenly going to make a 3 date show unprofitable and only feasible if done for five. I don't buy that because in the grand scale of things items like special effects, pyrotechnics, etc would be probably under 10% of the entire budget to stage a show like this. The Brooks camp is trying to get us to believe that these special effects increased the shows budget by 50% or something and I just don't buy that. If anything you'd be getting a better price from whatever company does the special effects as they are now working 5 nights instead of 3.
On top of that the stage is the stage and will get reused again. Maybe not in it's Croke Park entirety but at the end of the day it's made of scaffolding and rigging, all reusable parts.They were quoting Brian Duff, who said that individuals who "wanted to take the GAA down" funded the EUR15k.
Maybe it's nothing, but it's definitely worth investigating which was my point.
I don't have 15k in my back pocket, do you?
That was one tentacle of this story that made it even more bizarre. I don't know if it was the Indo just making stuff up or of there was any truth in it. But the story went that members of the GAA from north and south of the border approached the Croke Park resident and paid him €15,000 to mount a legal challenge against the GAA. The article said that the members wanted to 'take the GAA down'. It didn't go into any further detail. I'm not sure if the insinuation was that some members of the GAA are furious with the policies coming out of the Central Council in Croker (re: Sky Sports, concerts at Croker, any foreign games really). If true then we have just seen the emergence of the Real GAA or should that be Continuity GAA ? Much as I'd love to believe the story is another Indo fabrication there was a lot of anger in GAA circles about the Sky Sports thing so maybe some renegade members saw an opportunity to put manners on Central Council and rode with it.Good to see this thread still going in circles
Oh yeah, and round we'll keep going:pac: End game shouldn't be too far away though, Monday should finally see this goose buried.0 -
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Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »It's a conspiracy between them all I guess.
You're honestly making that point. Seriously?
ALL tickets which are sold are 'subject to licence'. That is part of the problem and I never said the DCC could do something about it. What I said was, that they shouldn't have waited until three weeks before the largest event this city will see this year, or has seen it quite a number of years, takes place, to make their decision. Sooner or later the penny will drop on that with you. Well, hopefully it will, but evidence so far would suggest it may not. C'est la vie.
What difference would the timing have made...the tickets and nights where sold out. No matter when they made their decision known to Aiken the problem would be the same.
The tickets for all 5 concerts where sold out on Feb 6th. As I said, your preceived tardiness of the DCC would not have made a difference to the problem that has arisen.Oh ffs. "Due process" ?? I may as well be talking to a wall.
Aiken applied for the licences on April 17th! FOUR WEEKS before the deadline. The law stipulates the DCC wait five weeks before making a decision (window for the submission for complaints). Which means, Dublin City Council could legally grant or refuse the applications from from May 22nd! Yet, it took them until July 2nd to do so.
That is NOT "due process". It is a disgraceful amount of time to take when deciding whether or not to grant licences for an event which 400,000 people amount to attend in Dublin City.
Whether they were sold out or not could not affect their deliberations or considerations of the Licence application.
The lesson promoters have to learn is that no event is too big to refuse.They made a formal offer to put four to the planners, but said they would only do if Brooks "guaranteed" he would commit to doing the four concerts. The DCC themselves have confirmed they did that, as you well know. Asking someone to commit to four, before putting it to the planners, makes zero sense.The planners should be looking at the application for five and then deciding what the maximum is they are willing to grant. It should come into it whether Brooks is willing to commit to the four if they grant them, that should be irrelevant and shows just how incompetent they are. Their decisions should be based on safety matters, concerns of the residents etc etc. You wouldn't expect it from a bunch of second hand car sales men ffs.
Fire up a link to where the DCC comment on this, I have only read newspaper articles on it.I exaggerated nothing and the notion that Keegan is subject to a witch hunt is absurd. He didn't do his job in a sufficient manner.
'Within a ten mile radius of the dail' is exaggerating a tad.:rolleyes:
And don't you actually mean 'he didn't do his job to sufficiently ensure the 5 nights went ahead'? 0 -
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