Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**

ardle1

steddyeddy wrote: »

Did anyone think it bad that RTE named the resident that filed the court injunction?

No not at all.
Rté six one news Today was expertly and professionally produced and edited, and I hope it is seen around the World! then people will have a better idea of how the real Irish feel about this whole episode.... The disgust and shame of everyone on six one Today was clearly shown, and not one off them blamed GB for this fiasco, and why would they?

hynesie08

ardle1 wrote: »

No not at all.
Rté six one news Today was expertly and professionally produced and edited, and I hope it is seen around the World! then people will have a better idea of how the real Irish feel about this whole episode.... The disgust and shame of everyone on six one Today was clearly shown, and not one off them blamed GB for this fiasco, and why would they?

Because he cancelled?

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Cienciano wrote: »

Bottom line is there would be 4 gigs at croke park if GB hadn't had a strop. 320,000 fans disappointed fans because of him being pig headed, 80,000 fans disappointed because of DCC trying to follow the law.

No, it was the DCC being needlessly "pigheaded".

Why would they even want to let 80,000 fans down out of 400,000.

Tickets were sold for five concerts and cancelling just one of them screams tokenism and it wouldn't be done for any planning reasons whatsoever.. obviously.

No wonder he said all or nothing. A council refusing one concert from five, after the tickets have been sold and then claiming it's for planning reasons.. is nothing short of a fcuking joke.

Phoebas

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

How many times does it need to be made to you, that it doesn't matter that it was before the decision went public, the simple fact that they offered to grant four licences, once they ran it past the planners, as long as Garth would agree, flies in the face of what the told the public.

Garth's guaranteeing he will do four should mean ZERO to the planners, as they should be making decisions independent of what Garth does and does not agree to. If four would be put to the planners with an agreement, it should be put to them without his agreement, as it is immaterial (or at least should be) to the granting of licences.

It's quite obvious, that they only wanted his agreement and guarantee so they could go to the public before Aiken could, saying they had made a deal. It backfired though as naturally, phoning a promoter three weeks before concerts are due to take place and refusing two licences, then hours later saying that they would consider issuing four, is ridiculous and very very amateurish.

There was no offer to grant four nights. There was an offer "to discuss with the decision maker in the Planning Department the possibility of permitting a fourth concert". That's all.

And of course the planners don't make decisions independent of what Garth does and does not agree to. Decisions are made based on the outcome of negotiations around a whole range of issues.

Dayor Knight

Red Nissan wrote: »

This is in total dispute. If the revelations are true from today, then DCC DID NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

Seemingly a secret agreement was sought. It defies all logic in this day and age, TBH. The Law like the Gardaí are investigating a possible criminal activity in the obstruction of the planning process, and DCC, have seemingly not followed the law either.

Secret agreement my ass. And SHOUTING doesn't make it so. DCC responsibility is to the residents if its city, and to take account of its planning regulations. So it looked at compromise options before it finalised its decision. Four would have been bad for its residents but better than five. Three better than four. They're being damned for blocking two, and also damned for considering blocking just one? The logic seems to that DCC should allow whatever number of concerts tickets can be sold for. How about 10? 20? Every night? Let the agents decide, and never mind the people who live in the vicinity. I don't think so. Does any think that New York, London or any major city would allow multiple events in contravention of it's planning regulations?? Try it in New York, Garth. I haven't seen one good reason why two of the concerts couldn't have been held in one of the alternative locations being mooted (with an extra night if necessary). Bruce Springsteen managed multiple locations last year, no big deal. Looks like Garth Brooks threw a strop. 5 or none, in Croke Park?? Sorry, that seems petulant, or downright insulting to the residents of Dublin. No I won't play anywhere else in Ireland.... Why not? Enough if this beating ourselves up about standing over our planning regulations.

roshje

Residents should have told the GAA we will give you the 5 concerts, but ye will get nothing more for the next two years

Cienciano

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

No, it was the DCC being needlessly "pigheaded".

Why would they even want to let 80,000 fans down out of 400,000.

Tickets were sold for five concerts and cancelling just one of them screams tokenism and it wouldn't be done for any planning reasons whatsoever.. obviously.

No wonder he said all or nothing. A council refusing one concert from five, after the tickets have been sold and then claiming it's for planning reasons.. is nothing short of a fcuking joke.

Fans in denial of St. Garth doing any wrong in all this is a joke. He's the sole reason hundreds of thousands of fans are losing out here. Garth thinks he's too important to deal with stupid local planning laws.

Ace2007

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

No, it was the DCC being needlessly "pigheaded".

Why would they even want to let 80,000 fans down out of 400,000.

Tickets were sold for five concerts and cancelling just one of them screams tokenism and it wouldn't be done for any planning reasons whatsoever.. obviously.

No wonder he said all or nothing. A council refusing one concert from five, after the tickets have been sold and then claiming it's for planning reasons.. is nothing short of a fcuking joke.

What difference does it make that the tickets were sold, if the promotors were worried and had listen to the threats of the residences they would have applied for licence in good time to make alternative arrangements if the licence was not granted.

they left it to the last minute on the assumption that the DCC would just let it go ahead as to close to cancel, similarly wouldn't be much time for residence to take them to court.

vitani

roshje wrote: »

Residents should have told the GAA we will give you the 5 concerts, but ye will get nothing more for the next two years

And what should they have done when the GAA ignored that agreement and went ahead and booked Justin Bieber for a ten night run next year?

The residents had an existing agreement in place with the GAA, who chose to ignore it. They had no reason to believe they'd stick to their word of no concerts next year if they let the five go ahead.

doolox

I hope we as a nation can now see that too much happens in Dublin and some things need to be moved out of the Capital to other places more amenable and willing to take on the undoubted inconveniences of any gathering involving 80,000 people in one place at one time at a certain noisy activity.

Any place within the city of Dublin is too close to people who can upset the arrangements by objecting.

Any other large city in Ireland is too far from others to really satisfy all of the national market.

The government need to come up with a greenfield site out in the country, far from all possible vexatious objectors and able to accommadate 100,000 people overnight or the public transport to take a large proportion of that figure home in a reasonable time in one night.

It would need to be near mainline rail, near the Irish Motorway network and have a large number of pubs, restaurants etc nearby.

Some mathematical genius needs to figure out what is the "centre of gravity" of Ireland in terms of population and travel times per unit of population for all potential customers for such concerts.

It should be possible to build a proper centre for such concerts, football matches, political Ard Fheiseanna, conferences etc so that all the hassle and aggravation etc can be removed from the former centre of gravity of this hapless island, Dublin.

Ace2007

roshje wrote: »

Residents should have told the GAA we will give you the 5 concerts, but ye will get nothing more for the next two years

GAA would never accept that

roshje

vitani wrote: »

And what should they have done when the GAA ignored that agreement and went ahead and booked Justin Bieber for a ten night run next year?

The residents had an existing agreement in place with the GAA, who chose to ignore it. They had no reason to believe they'd stick to their word of no concerts next year if they let the five go ahead.

Sue the ass off them then:D

Red Nissan

Phoebas wrote: »

The negotiations were before the decision was made, when there was plenty of room for negotiation.
How many times does this simple point need to be made!

The timeline of official releases.

Dayor Knight

doolox wrote: »

I hope we as a nation can now see that too much happens in Dublin and some things need to be moved out of the Capital to other places more amenable and willing to take on the undoubted inconveniences of any gathering involving 80,000 people in one place at one time at a certain noisy activity.

Any place within the city of Dublin is too close to people who can upset the arrangements by objecting.

Any other large city in Ireland is too far from others to really satisfy all of the national market.

The government need to come up with a greenfield site out in the country, far from all possible vexatious objectors and able to accommadate 100,000 people overnight or the public transport to take a large proportion of that figure home in a reasonable time in one night.

It would need to be near mainline rail, near the Irish Motorway network and have a large number of pubs, restaurants etc nearby.

Some mathematical genius needs to figure out what is the "centre of gravity" of Ireland in terms of population and travel times per unit of population for all potential customers for such concerts.

It should be possible to build a proper centre for such concerts, football matches, political Ard Fheiseanna, conferences etc so that all the hassle and aggravation etc can be removed from the former centre of gravity of this hapless island, Dublin.

Yes, the "Bertie Bowl"!

Overheal

ardle1 wrote: »

Rté six one news Today was expertly and professionally produced and edited, and I hope it is seen around the World!

You really do have quite an imagination if you think RTE gets broadcast outside of Ireland. Or that people outside of Ireland give a **** about it.

Do they still play those stupid bells every evening?

secman

Real world news :Brazil lose 7-1 at home to Germany. .... Brazil are humiliated....... That news will be talked all the world over.... the parochial mentality of GB fans makes them think that his strop today is world news , really funny and it will be even funnier on reeling in the years ..... grown adults crying over a cowboy having a hissy fit.

statesaver

Dublin City Council seem to think that the city can do without €50 million plus in revenue, the fúcking gobsh1tes.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Phoebas wrote: »

There was no offer to grant four nights. There was an offer "to discuss with the decision maker in the Planning Department the possibility of permitting a fourth concert". That's all.

And of course the planners don't make decisions independent of what Garth does and does not agree to. Decisions are made based on the outcome of negotiations around a whole range of issues.

This is beyond a joke. Emboldening your words doesn't give what you say anymore weight.

Aiken was phoned on July 2nd and offered the three licences, hours later he was offered four, if Brooks would guarantee to perform them.

You are trying to suggest that they would offer to discuss four concerts with planners which they themselves wouldn't be willing to grant licences for. Do you have any idea how nonsensical that is.. no matter how many people thank your post, who wish it were true?!

They didn't need Brooks to guarantee he would do four, in order for them to talk to the planners about four!! Do you really believe this crap??

You all take the piss out of so called Brooks fans being naive, but the nonsensical jargon that is being swallowed here, that the DCC is spewing out is seriously laughable.

roshje

secman wrote: »

Real world news :Brazil lose 7-1 at home to Germany. .... Brazil are humiliated....... That news will be talked all the world over.... the parochial mentality of GB fans makes them think that his strop today is world news , really funny and it will be even funnier on reeling in the years ..... grown adults crying over a cowboy having a hissy fit.

Sure somebody has to cry over something:pac:

Ace2007

statesaver wrote: »

Dublin City Council seem to think that the city can do without €50 million plus in revenue, the fúcking gobsh1tes.

that's it - ignore all the facts and just look at the money end of it.

Red Nissan

doolox wrote: »

I hope we as a nation can now see that too much happens in Dublin and some things need to be moved out of the Capital to other places more amenable and willing to take on the undoubted inconveniences of any gathering involving 80,000 people in one place at one time at a certain noisy activity.
.

Bertie tired to make one of these, he was right, but he was also an egotistical megalomaniac.

The project is still viable and theoretically could have been funded from the five concerts alone.

The Irish Bowl is still viable, which is why in Cork we are spending 30m for a smaller one which of course would be unviable once the Irish Bowl was in business.

mosi

All this nonsense about this making Ireland looks bad is laughable. What would make us look bad was if we allowed our planning laws to be so easily railroaded for the whims of some has-been cowboy. We had enough of this during the "good old days" where laws were changed to suit a particular agenda.
It's tough on the fans but Aiken and Brooks shouldn't have had the arrogance to think that they could just override existing laws and agreements. Aiken didn't put in the licence application until April, despite the shows having been sold out long ago. Had the application gone in back in Jan/Feb, there would have been time to apply for licences for alternative venues. Croke Park should never have been on the table though, seeing as the three concert allocation was already taken up with the 1D gigs. Brooks wanted Croker and the plan was probably for 5 nights all along, and nobody thought the matter of planning regulations or local agreements would get in the way.
Maybe Fianna Fail should bring their tent back to the Galway Races, and Garth can play there...it would certainly fit with the mindset behind trying to push through the 5 gigs

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Ace2007 wrote: »

that's it - ignore all the facts and just look at the money end of it.

Ha! Sure half the other side of the argument are just putting it all down to money also, by blaming it all on Brooks being "greedy".

thebaz

statesaver wrote: »

Dublin City Council seem to think that the city can do without €50 million plus in revenue, the fúcking gobsh1tes.

The City Manager is a bit of a czar , who doesn't usually give a flying toss about public opinion - strange , that he presides over an elected entity - who all seam to think he is great

Phoebas

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

This is beyond a joke. Emboldening your words doesn't give what you say anymore weight.

They aren't my words. They are a direct quote from Owen Keegan from DCC and they carry the weight of the chief executive of DCC.

Ace2007

Phoebas wrote: »

They aren't my words. They are a direct quote from Owen Keegan from DCC and they carry the weight of the chief executive of DCC.

There was a direct quote a while back that the GAA choice to ignore a previous agreement because "times move on" -

So here we have GAA breaking an agreement - which they have never publicly came out and said doesn't exist - I wonder why?

gandalf

I am actually proud that DCC stuck to their guns and stood up to the unprecedented pressure that was put to bear on them over the last few weeks and days. Some of our representatives need to hang their heads in shame at the way they have tried to manipulate due process to the benefit of a multimillionaire singer, an arrogant promoter and a sporting organisation that breaks its promises to people who have to live in the shadow of a facility that should only be used for sporting purposes with the exceptional entertainment event.

5 days of concurrent concerts was always going to cause an issue at Croke Park, any sensible person knew that. Once that level was reached they should have considered another venue or splitting the concerts between two venues. Two days in Croke Park and a C&W Garth Brooks headlined three day festival in Punchestown.

When AC/DC played a couple of years ago they played the O2 and had an outdoor concert in Punchestown as well.

A bit of creativity from the so-called professional promoters would have resulted in a win win for all sides but instead they tried to bully their way to five concerts in one location that was always going to be a battle to obtain a license for all nights.

The one definite that has to be taken from this is that any promoter of an event has to have a license in place going forward before they can sell any tickets.

shruikan2553

doolox wrote: »

I hope we as a nation can now see that too much happens in Dublin and some things need to be moved out of the Capital to other places more amenable and willing to take on the undoubted inconveniences of any gathering involving 80,000 people in one place at one time at a certain noisy activity.

Any place within the city of Dublin is too close to people who can upset the arrangements by objecting.

Any other large city in Ireland is too far from others to really satisfy all of the national market.

The government need to come up with a greenfield site out in the country, far from all possible vexatious objectors and able to accommadate 100,000 people overnight or the public transport to take a large proportion of that figure home in a reasonable time in one night.

It would need to be near mainline rail, near the Irish Motorway network and have a large number of pubs, restaurants etc nearby.

Some mathematical genius needs to figure out what is the "centre of gravity" of Ireland in terms of population and travel times per unit of population for all potential customers for such concerts.

It should be possible to build a proper centre for such concerts, football matches, political Ard Fheiseanna, conferences etc so that all the hassle and aggravation etc can be removed from the former centre of gravity of this hapless island, Dublin.

Best to do it in another city like Galway, otherwise the place would be dead and costing money most of the time. Near an airport and easy to get to from Dublin.

Red Nissan

mosi wrote: »

All this nonsense

Right, except we have the Gardaí officially investigating wrong doings and the DCC trying to 'negotiate' so there is a question of breech of the law on their part, it was either legal or it was not.

curioser

Can't see the point of the continuing recriminations and arguments. The decision has been made and there will be no concerts. There are no winners in the whole sorry saga, right down to the poor hoor who went looking for a windfall with the injunction application, hoping that the GAA and Aiken would throw him a wedge to withdraw the proceedings.