Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**

cournioni

bumper234 wrote: »

You mean stamping your feet and having a tantrum until you get what you want?

Something was worked out where 3 of the five concerts were licenced and there was to be no concerts on the Monday/Tuesday

Win for 240,000 fans who get to se the concerts.

Win for the residents who are not in lock down for 5 days running.

Win for the people of Dublin who will not face massive traffic disruption on 2 weeknights.

But hey it's not a win situation if Garthy doesn't get to dictate which laws apply to him right :rolleyes::rolleyes:

You make it sound like they are in lock down for twenty four hours for five days. They are not.

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Valetta wrote: »

The residents didn't have a problem with the three original concerts going ahead, except for a few hardline "no, no,none", who were taken into consideration by DCC when granting the licenses for the three concerts.

Except Brian Duff and his mystery funding group

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Daith wrote: »

Like what?

Like the concerts going ahead so that ticket holders get what they queued and paid for and the area and the city gets the spin-off business and that the residents are compensated in a fashion they find acceptable.

That was the only possibly win-win and the Council was the only entity that could achieve it.

Daith

First Up wrote: »

Like the concerts going ahead so that ticket holders get what they queued and paid for and the area and the city gets the spin-off business and that the residents are compensated in a fashion they find acceptable.

That was the only possibly win-win and the Council was the only entity that could achieve it.

The residents didn't want compensation. They lodged objections to five consecutive concerts.

So you meant Win-Win you really meant Win-Lose?

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Calina wrote: »

Seriously, the issues with this concert were raised the days concerts 4 and 5 were announced. Can you explain to me why the licence application didn't go in until April? DCC can do nothing until they have the paperwork.

They don't have phones or anything like that to talk to people informally? Raising the issues is grand - how about doing something to address them?

Irishcrx

Thank god this fiasco is now over, give me my refund and be done with it. Move on.

331 pages of moaning and what if, thread should now be closed and done with.

Red Nissan

Huge business proposition:

Ireland obviously needs a massive stadium purpose built and serviced.

A guy in Cork is already on record saying he can fill a 5,000 seater 365 days of the year that means he'd fill and 80,000 seater for 22.5 nights.

Aiken/MCD etc all have a lot of nights available and if we build it right from a commercial point of view we can even bid for some World Events in sport, music and theater.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

Like the concerts going ahead so that ticket holders get what they queued and paid for and the area and the city gets the spin-off business and that the residents are compensated in a fashion they find acceptable.

That was the only possibly win-win and the Council was the only entity that could achieve it.

That's not a win-win. I'm sorry but it's not a win-win. That's you trampling over the lives of people who live in the area. That's a win-lose for you versus people who live in the area.

bumper234

cournioni wrote: »

You make it sound like they are in lock down for twenty four hours for five days. They are not.

No just 8 hours of the day/evening plus the 2 weeks of noise.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

They don't have phones or anything like that to talk to people informally? Raising the issues is grand - how about doing something to address them?

Why does DCC have to make that phone call to talk to people informally?

Christ, did you understand anything at all about it being better for the country that things are not run on a nod and a wink?

bumper234

First Up wrote: »

Like the concerts going ahead so that ticket holders get what they queued and paid for and the area and the city gets the spin-off business and that the residents are compensated in a fashion they find acceptable.

That was the only possibly win-win and the Council was the only entity that could achieve it.

No.

That was the only "win-win" acceptable to the whinging Brooks fans.

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Calina wrote: »

That's not a win-win. I'm sorry but it's not a win-win. That's you trampling over the lives of people who live in the area. That's a win-lose for you versus people who live in the area.

Which part of "a fashion they find acceptable" is giving you difficulty?

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Red Nissan wrote: »

A guy in Cork is already on record saying he can fill a 5,000 seater 365 days of the year that means he'd fill and 80,000 seater for 22.5 nights.

Ha ha no it doesn't.

Dublin could actually use a 5,000 and an 8,000 capacity venue (badly needed) more than another 80,000 one.

We have a perfectly fine 80,000 capacity one, we just need the agreement with the residents revised.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

Which part of "a fashion they find acceptable" is giving you difficulty?

You think that the solution is to pay off problems?

Seriously? What about not causing them in the first place?

muddypaws

First Up wrote: »

They don't have phones or anything like that to talk to people informally? Raising the issues is grand - how about doing something to address them?

No you're right, they should phone everybody that might possibly have a planning request to discuss it before that request is submitted. Thats actually a great plan, a brilliant employment tactic, although would probably staffed by people on jobbridge. How would they know about the possible planning requests? Would there be a hotline that people could phone to let them know that somebody might be putting a request in? Or do you just mean in this instance, and let Garth be a special case again?

DCC have said that they indicated to Aiken that 5 nights would be problematic btw, he obviously didn't listen.

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Calina wrote: »

Why does DCC have to make that phone call to talk to people informally?

Christ, did you understand anything at all about it being better for the country that things are not run on a nod and a wink?

There is no "nodding and winking" involved in getting people around a table and exploring possibilities before you get too deep into the mud.

cournioni

Calina wrote: »

That's not a win-win. I'm sorry but it's not a win-win. That's you trampling over the lives of people who live in the area. That's a win-lose for you versus people who live in the area.

That's over dramatic to say the least.

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muddypaws wrote: »

No you're right, they should phone everybody that might possibly have a planning request to discuss it before that request is submitted. Thats actually a great plan, a brilliant employment tactic, although would probably staffed by people on jobbridge. How would they know about the possible planning requests? Would there be a hotline that people could phone to let them know that somebody might be putting a request in? Or do you just mean in this instance, and let Garth be a special case again?

DCC have said that they indicated to Aiken that 5 nights would be problematic btw, he obviously didn't listen.

Lets hear Mr Keegan's account at 11.00.

ben.schlomo

Red Nissan wrote: »

Huge business proposition:

Ireland obviously needs a massive stadium purpose built and serviced.

A guy in Cork is already on record saying he can fill a 5,000 seater 365 days of the year that means he'd fill and 80,000 seater for 22.5 nights.

Aiken/MCD etc all have a lot of nights available and if we build it right from a commercial point of view we can even bid for some World Events in sport, music and theater.

No point sure the country will be bankrupt after Garth sues all of us, pretty sure thats what you told us will happen.

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Calina wrote: »

You think that the solution is to pay off problems?

Seriously? What about not causing them in the first place?

I'm not a Brooks fan but describing 400,000 people wanting to see him and the spin-off business that would arise as "a problem" is a somewhat narrow view of it.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

There is no "nodding and winking" involved in getting people around a table and exploring possibilities before you get too deep into the mud.

It's abundantly obvious to me that the only outcome you want is for five concerts to go ahead.

You are not interested in exploring possibilities of any description that result in fewer than five concerts being approved.

AlanG

cournioni wrote: »

Our economy is €50,000,000 poorer and a lot of small businesses who will have spent a lot of money stocking up for this event will be out a large amount of money. Shame.

You do realise people can now spend their money on something else. Perhaps they can support some struggling local performers. You can be sure the hotel occupation rate in Dublin will still be near 100% that weekend so people will still be around - they just wont be spending 3 or 4 times the usual amount for their hotel rooms.
It is unfortunate that the promoters did not apply for planning when the started the process instead of leaving it to the last minute and causing some shops and traders to have inappropriate stock level of now useless product.

bumper234

First Up wrote: »

I'm not a Brooks fan but describing 400,000 people wanting to see him and the spin-off business that would arise as "a problem" is a somewhat narrow view of it.

And just saying "Pooh bahhh" to the problems that 400'000 people would cause (160'000 on week nights) in a heavily populated area with one of the main thoroughfares that has heavy traffic on these nights is an even narrower view of things!

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Calina wrote: »

It's abundantly obvious to me that the only outcome you want is for five concerts to go ahead.

You are not interested in exploring possibilities of any description that result in fewer than five concerts being approved.

How would less than five be a win for the people who didn't get to use their tickets?

bumper234

First Up wrote: »

How would less than five be a win for the people who didn't get to use their tickets?

How would holding five in a row be a win for the people who had legitimate objections?

Calina

First Up wrote: »

How would less than five be a win for the people who didn't get to use their tickets?

I feel sorry for them but their tickets were subject to licence.

Happyman42

nm wrote: »

Except Brian Duff and his mystery funding group

There is no mystery about it...they are people within the GAA (and Croke Park know all about them) who are severely worried about what corporate Croke Park are doing. They believe that corporate Croke Park are doing huge damage to the organisation and need to be taken down a peg.
Feigning suprise that they took an opportunity to do this here is more face saving PR bull from Croke Park.

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bumper234 wrote: »

How would holding five in a row be a win for the people who had legitimate objections?

See #4965 above.

bumper234

First Up wrote: »

See #4965 above.

So nothing again....good man keep saying the same thing but it's pretty obvious to all that the only way you would have been happy is if all 5 had gone ahead. You're very set on that for someone who isn't even a GB fan :rolleyes:

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bumper234 wrote: »

And just saying "Pooh bahhh" to the problems that 400'000 people would cause (160'000 on week nights) in a heavily populated area with one of the main thoroughfares that has heavy traffic on these nights is an even narrower view of things!

See #4965 and #4981