Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**

Ace2007

Permabear wrote: »

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Ah well

No one listen to the residents when they said they would take legal action to stop the concerts whose to say that anyone would listen to DCC

Aiken/GAA didn't follow the written rules in the first place

You can't sell tickets or promote an event of that scale without a licence

It's seems to me that all you DCC haters are ignoring this

First Up

Strazdas wrote: »

It does seem like he retreated into a bureaucrat's mindset. As long as he followed everything to the letter of the law and followed due procedure, his ass would be covered and there would be no repercussions for him or DCC. But these were extraordinary circumstances and we've never seen two 80,000 seater concerts refused permission at the last moment like this before : he does appear to have been very complacent and not realised the enormity of where this could potentially go.

The same fecker has been quick enough in the past to ride over local objections to push his messianic anti motor car campaigns. His new-found concern for residents is a bit sickening, not least because I am sure a deal could have been done with them.

Sideshow Mark

Nobody should have had a penny taken from their account until the license was granted. That would ensure that all promoters get their ducks in a row before they get their money, and all applications are lodged as early as possible. If you know it's going to take 10 weeks for the license to be approved and you want your money you get your application in 20 weeks before the event.

Daith

Strazdas wrote: »

It does seem like he retreated into a bureaucrat's mindset. As long as he followed everything to the letter of the law and followed due procedure, his ass would be covered and there would be no repercussions for him or DCC.

So we don't follow the letter of the law?

Iang87

Its strange how DCC make their decision and they're congratulated for the stance they took for the residents however Garth Brooks makes his decision to stand up for all his fans and he has an ego and its all about money.

bucketybuck

Permabear wrote: »

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DCC do not exist to watch over Aikens shoulders and teach him how to submit a proper license application, they are not some kindly uncle steering Aiken down the right path.

It is not their ****ing job to warn Aiken of anything, they simply have to deal with the applications they receive. They did so.

My name is URL

Calina wrote: »

In my view, Croke Park should be held to its three concerts a year from here on out and no additional concerts.

Held by whom?

The handful of busybodies that make up the residents associations?

bucketybuck

Iang87 wrote: »

however Garth Brooks makes his decision to stand up for all his fans and he has an ego and its all about money.

Love it! Brooks is standing up for his fans now! :pac:

Bet they are all eternally grateful for his noble stance on their behalf!

First Up

Valetta wrote: »

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

There were NO gigs until the license application went in.

This is the critical point that people either don't get, or are deliberately ignoring.

O come on. There were contracts between Aiken and Brooks, between Aiken and Croke Park. There were concert tickets, travel plans, plane tickets, hotels.

This sort of semantic hair-splitting is the sort of tripe Keegan was offering this morning. One is enough.

Daith

My name is URL wrote: »

Held by whom?

The handful of busybodies that make up the residents associations?

Croke Park and the residents association......which allowed Croke Park to apply for more than three events but not a guarantee that they would get more events.

First Up

bucketybuck wrote: »

DCC do not exist to watch over Aikens shoulders and teach him how to submit a proper license application, they are not some kindly uncle steering Aiken down the right path.

It is not their ****ing job to warn Aiken of anything, they simply have to deal with the applications they receive. They did so.

Yes, like the petty, ass-covering bureaucrats they showed themselves to be this morning. Keegan is paid to be more than a functionary with a stamp. He is supposed to be looking after the interests of the city. He abdicated that responsibility in my view and should be called on it.

My name is URL

Daith wrote: »

Croke Park and the residents association......which allowed Croke Park to apply for more than three events but not a guarantee that they would get more events.

Nor is there any guarantee that more than 3 concerts will not be given the go ahead, and there should be no such guarantee just because a few dozen windbags out of thousands demand it.

Calina

First Up wrote: »

Yes, like the petty, ass-covering bureaucrats they showed themselves to be this morning. Keegan is paid to be more than a functionary with a stamp. He is supposed to be looking after the interests of the city. He abdicated that responsibility in my view and should be called on it.

That's funny because all you want him to do is rubber stamp five concerts and shut up.

gandalf

Calina wrote: »

The bigger picture is simple.

There is a framework and a set of laws in place.

As you allow exceptions for "exceptional circumstances", the definition of exception and the definition of exceptional circumstances moves until the framework and the laws in place become meaningless.

This is the bigger picture sailing past you. Our constant ability to be "flexible" with rules and regulations has led to things like Priory Hall and the financial and economic meltdown.

We need to stop. The greater good is not a guestimated 50 million and 400,000 tickets. The greater good is a recognition that a) we need to enforce the rules we have and b) we need to stop looking on them as something to be gotten around when it suits us.

This is the bigger picture. It is the future of this country and this city and not a tawdry 50million that you want everyone to sell your souls for.

In my view, Croke Park should be held to its three concerts a year from here on out and no additional concerts. And if it turns out to be One Direction three nights a year, or Slayer, I really don't care. What matters is that you and your mates stop thinking that five concerts is nothing and that the money matters more than the law, and that people living in the area around - and these concerts cause serious traffic problems up to 10 km from Croke Park - can rely on the legislation to be enforced.

The person who can't see the bigger picture is you.

This is the best summation of the big picture that I have seen across the numerous threads on boards and elsewhere.

Daith

My name is URL wrote: »

Nor is there any guarantee that more than 3 concerts will not be given the go ahead, and there should be no such guarantee just because a few dozen windbags out of thousands demand it.

Exactly and more than three events was allowed....

Valetta

First Up wrote: »

O come on. There were contracts between Aiken and Brooks, between Aiken and Croke Park. There were concert tickets, travel plans, plane tickets, hotels.

This sort of semantic hair-splitting is the sort of tripe Keegan was offering this morning. One is enough.

None of that is DCC's business.

Are you suggesting they be privy to all private contracts that may lead to a planning submission?

brooke 2

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Heard a woman on the Radio saying she spent €500 on 4 tickets from Done Deal that she cant get back now.

My first thought was, You deserve not to get it back for being stupid

What stupid fecker forks out €500 for tickets to a concert that didnt even have a licence to go ahead yet?

That is only the start of it. Someone on Joe Duffy spent €1600 on tickets.
Said she would have sold a kidney to get to see Garth!!

Iang87

bucketybuck wrote: »

Love it! Brooks is standing up for his fans now! :pac:

Bet they are all eternally grateful for his noble stance on their behalf!

So you think its fair to distinguish between two sets of people who bought tickets for the same event in the exact same circumstances at time of sale.

Thats reasonable is it

First Up

Daith wrote: »

So we don't follow the letter of the law?

This called for more than that - e.g. things like leadership, imagination, negotiating skills and flexibility. What we got was the equivalent of a doorman refusing admission to the lead singer because he didn't have the tight colour badge.

cournioni

Ace2007 wrote: »

You can't sell tickets or promote an event of that scale without a licence

Yes you can. Have you ever read a concert ticket before?

Calina

First Up wrote: »

This called for more than that - e.g. things like leadership, imagination, negotiating skills and flexibility. What we got was the equivalent of a doorman refusing admission to the lead singer because he didn't have the tight colour badge.

And proper order.

What you're proposing is that what matters is personal influence and not the rule of law.

This is extremely bad for the future of the country.

First Up

Valetta wrote: »

None of that is DCC's business.

Are you suggesting they be privy to all private contracts that may lead to a planning submission?

Will it ever sink in that Keegan and DCC's responsibilities in this go well beyond administering a planning application?

Ace2007

The GAA have a saying

GIVE RESPECT - GET RESPECT

The GAA clearly don't follow this with their neighbours - they have been pushing their luck for a while now and eventually a stance was taken.

Everyone on here keeps forgetting that if the GAA want to hold any concerts in Croke park they need the approval of the DCC. So if the DCC want to they could make life very awkward to the GAA in future.

The GAA have admitted opening mistakes where made

Daith

First Up wrote: »

This called for more than that - e.g. things like leadership, imagination, negotiating skills and flexibility.

Ah of course...here's a brown envelope now give us our concerts.

But only from DCC right? Brooks didn't have to show any flexibility did he?

Calina

First Up wrote: »

Will it ever sink in that Keegan and DCC's responsibilities in this go well beyond administering a planning application?

No they do not.

First Up

Calina wrote: »

And proper order.

What you're proposing is that what matters is personal influence and not the rule of law.

This is extremely bad for the future of the country.

Mother of Jaysus.... What is so wrong with getting people around a table and discussing it like adults?

Permabear

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First Up

Calina wrote: »

No they do not.

Then you are well qualified for a nice desk in DCC.

Strazdas

Daith wrote: »

So we don't follow the letter of the law?

He could have followed the letter of the law but also showed common sense. If he had made the announcement much earlier, it would have given all sides a chance to work their way around the problem.

Ace2007

cournioni wrote: »

Yes you can. Have you ever read a concert ticket before?

Have you read section 230 on the planning and development act of 2000?
Go read that and educate yourself -