Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES

end of the road · 17-07-2014 7:14pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

If you move into a house next to a GAA stadium and they decide to play 100 Metallica concerts there then it's your own fault?

yes

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Aiken and Brooks tried to force an expansion of the current usage of Croke Park.

no, they tried to use its potential a little more, nothing wrong with that.

Flem31 · 17-07-2014 7:16pm

Can this thread be closed early or do we need to go round the merry-go-around another 3-4 times.
All the points must have been exhausted by now ?

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:16pm

Reformed Character wrote: »

So you wanted him to break the law?
DCC is statutorily obliged to follow a process, failure to follow that process would have been a breach of their statutory obligations and without a shadow of a doubt would have led to a an injunction.

Reformed Character wrote: »

NOT HIS JOB, OUTSIDE HIS LEGAL REMIT
Capiche?

What are you talking about? What regulation or section of the Planning and Development Regulations or Acts, respectively, are you addressing, or what principle of administrative law are you addressing?

The Planning Regulations allow for the Local Authority to open consultations with non-prescribed bodies where the Local Authority considers that appropriate, as per s.189 of S.I. No. 600 of 2001 (Planning and Development Regulations).

S.191(3) says the local authority may, at its discretion, invite any other person to make a submission or observation to it in respect of an application.

and crucially in the next sub,

(4) The local authority may take whatever measures it considers necessary, including the convening of meetings or the taking of oral submissions, to seek the views of any person in regard to the application.

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:18pm

conorh91 wrote: »

What are you talking about? What regulation or section of the Planning and Development Regulations or Acts, respectively, are you addressing, or what principle of administrative law are you addressing?

The Planning Regulations allow for the Local Authority to open consultations with non-prescribed bodies where the Local Authority considers that appropriate, as per s.189 of S.I. No. 600 of 2001 (Planning and Development Regulations).

And? Did they't have discussions were 4 concerts and day shows were brought up?

Brooks was refused a license to play 5 nights. He wouldn't accept any other situation.

Red Nissan · 17-07-2014 7:19pm

Flem31 wrote: »

Can this thread be closed early or do we need to go round the merry-go-around another 3-4 times.
All the points must have been exhausted by now ?

We are trying to make the Guinness Book of records and there is a prize of three tickets anywhere in the world for being the last poster before closing.

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:20pm

Daith wrote: »

And? Did they't have discussions were 4 concerts and day shows were brought up?

But by then tickets were sold and the event was well progressed.

I think the point is these consultations should have occurred much, much earlier if it was clear there was a problem.

Dan_Solo · 17-07-2014 7:21pm

end of the road wrote: »

yes

100 Metallica concerts would be OK by you in any stadium in Ireland?
Listen, why don't you just go off over there and have a little mumble to yourself and pretend the big bad logical sensible people will just go away.

Dan_Solo · 17-07-2014 7:23pm

conorh91 wrote: »

But by then tickets were sold and the event was well progressed.

I think the point is these consultations should have occurred much, much earlier if it was clear there was a problem.

Gee, then maybe Aiken shouldn't have shot his load and waited for the license, eh?

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:23pm

conorh91 wrote: »

But by then tickets were sold and the event was well progressed.

I think the point is these consultations should have occurred much, much earlier if it was clear there was a problem.

Well Aiken should have submitted his planning application sooner shouldn't he?

Ace2007 · 17-07-2014 7:24pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

100 Metallica concerts would be OK by you in any stadium in Ireland?
Listen, why don't you just go off over there and have a little mumble to yourself and pretend the big bad logical sensible people will just go away.

just ignore him, he won't listen to you.
When you prove him wrong he'll disappear for a few days, come back and attack someone else.

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:26pm

Daith wrote: »

Well Aiken should have submitted his planning application sooner shouldn't he?

I don't know. He submitted it four weeks before the deadline, and fourteen weeks before the event did he not?

It would rapidly have become clear to DCC that there was a problem. it appears that they did not see fit to enter any effective consultation as envisaged in the Regulations, unless you count utterly bizarre notions about matinees and a fourth night that that, it seems to me, both sides opposed.

muddypaws · 17-07-2014 7:26pm

Flem31 wrote: »

Can this thread be closed early or do we need to go round the merry-go-around another 3-4 times.
All the points must have been exhausted by now ?

We have to wait for Owen Keegan to go back in front of the Oireachtas committee again tomorrow and see if he's prepared to swear an affidavit or not - its important.

Mrs Garth Brooks · 17-07-2014 7:28pm

Perfect song to end this thread

The Dance by Garth Brooks

http://vimeo.com/m/60119381

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:28pm

conorh91 wrote: »

I don't know. He submitted it four weeks before the deadline, and fourteen weeks before the event did he not?

Sure but isn't there a 10 week wait on the decision? The residents could only lodge their objections during this window then DCC could come up with a decision.

When did these tickets go on sale again? He should have submitted his application sooner.

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:29pm

Daith wrote: »

Sure but isn't there a 10 week wait on the decision?

No.

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:29pm

conorh91 wrote: »

No.

Enlighten me. How long is it?

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:30pm

Daith wrote: »

Enlighten me. How long is it?

From memory it's about five weeks.

muddypaws · 17-07-2014 7:33pm

conorh91 wrote: »

From memory it's about five weeks.

Its 5 weeks for objections to be registered, then the consultation would begin surely?

With regard to discussions etc, it all depends who you believe, DCC say they told Aiken there could be a problem with 5 right at the beginning.

Dan_Solo · 17-07-2014 7:34pm

muddypaws wrote: »

Its 5 weeks for objections to be registered, then the consultation would begin surely?

With regard to discussions etc, it all depends who you believe, DCC say they told Aiken there could be a problem with 5 right at the beginning.

Which in all honesty he knew only too well there was, as did the world and its grandmother.

Ace2007 · 17-07-2014 7:35pm

muddypaws wrote: »

We have to wait for Owen Keegan to go back in front of the Oireachtas committee again tomorrow and see if he's prepared to swear an affidavit or not - its important.

Lets suppose he does agree to swear an affidavit, what happens then?

The committee is a complete waste of time - they don't care about the truth, you could see that in the way the questions were asked.

Why have one on a Tuesday and then other side on a Wednesday - every detail of what Keegan did or did not say would have been scrutinised by Aiken and the GAA. Why not have them all on same day and separate?

At one point Eamonn Coghlan was laughing and joking about the matter wondering how we could get it back on - This is not what they meeting was about.

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:36pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

At one point Eamonn Coghlan was laughing and joking about the matter wondering how we could get it back on - This is not what they meeting was about.

That's exactly what the meeting was about.

muddypaws · 17-07-2014 7:37pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Lets suppose he does agree to swear an affidavit, what happens then?

Well a particular poster on here would probably self-combust.

It is a complete farce you're right.

K.Flyer · 17-07-2014 7:38pm

First Up wrote: »

.....
the great majority of the blame (in my view) is with the people who all along had the power to say yes or no - Keegan and DCC.

Ehhm... It actually is their job to say Yes or No.
If they just said Yes to everything regardless, then what would the point be in having a planning application process.
The GAA and Aiken KNEW they were pushing it asking for 5 nights and had the nerve to sell tickets to people for a concert that they did not have licence for.
Brooks, pi$$ ed off with the whole fiasco, took his ball and went home.
For those of you who have not experienced the disruption to the area around Croke Park when a major event is on, you have no idea how manic it can be to try get in or out of the place.
And as for the argument of Ireland loosing millions because of this, what a load of Tosh, if it had of gone ahead millions of euros would have left the country, most of it in Brooks back pocket!!.
Sorry for those who missed out, and there are certainly lessons to be learned from all of this.
But at this stage of things some people need to let go, build a bridge and get over it.

Ace2007 · 17-07-2014 7:38pm

Daith wrote: »

That's exactly what the meeting was about.

Really?

And there was me thinking it was about the their roles in the organisation and cancellation of the Garth Brooks concerts...

Dan_Solo · 17-07-2014 7:38pm

Daith wrote: »

That's exactly what the meeting was about.

Honestly don't know here. What was the actual remit? Talk ****e about Garth Brooks lads?

Daith · 17-07-2014 7:40pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Really?

And there was me thinking it was about the their roles in the organisation and cancellation of the Garth Brooks concerts...

Well on the surface yeah but it did seem like "how do we get these gigs back on"

conorh91 · 17-07-2014 7:41pm

muddypaws wrote: »

Its 5 weeks for objections to be registered, then the consultation would begin surely?

Members of the public make submissions or observations to the local authority within 5 weeks of the receipt of the application by the local authority.

There is no "earliest point" that a consolation can take place.

If a voluminous level of correspondence is coming in from the residents in Week 1, and the concert is due to take place in 13 weeks, it doesn't seem to make sense to sit on your thumbs for four weeks.

At that stage, holding a mediation-style meeting would be a sensible approach.

Ace2007 · 17-07-2014 7:43pm

Daith wrote: »

Well on the surface yeah but it did seem like "how do we get these gigs back on"

Yes it seemed like that - hence they weren't do what they were suppose to be doing.

At what stage do they stop calling people back, for example will the GAA/Aiken also be asked to come back for a 2nd day?

Phoebas · 17-07-2014 7:44pm

Daith wrote: »

Well on the surface yeah but it did seem like "how do we get these gigs back on"

The role of the committee is to oversee policy, not to influence individual decisions. That would be overstepping their mark.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 17-07-2014 7:45pm

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Perfect song to end this thread

The Dance by Garth Brooks

http://vimeo.com/m/60119381

Ha ha, you're the best poster in this thread and I'm not sure you even mean it.

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