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Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**
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SoCal Music Lover's internet must be down so he had to queue in person
I always imagined it was a woman.
Friends of mine had tickets and are GB fans, but having seen the announcement of 2 shows a day in the States, when he was so adamant he wouldn't do that in Dublin they are fans no longer. Words used were "I wouldn't go and see him now if he was playing in the Mall". It will be interesting if he does come back at the end of the world tour to see how many people buy tickets.0 -
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Happyman42 wrote: »'SUBJECT TO LICENCE means exactly that. Keegan did NOT sell the tickets and cannot be influenced by how many are sold. It didn't matter that it was just three weeks before the tickets where sold and arrangements where made (hotal bookings etc in Feb.
No time would have been considered 'right' by the frenzied hordes.
Calm down and look at it rationally and you will see that.
A system which results in 160,000 being told that concerts which they are due to attend in less than three weeks time, and which they have held tickets to for five over five months, are cancelled.. is a system that is wholly inadequate. Defend it as much as you like, but it won't make it any less competent.
As for your subject to license argument. It's been done to death and each time your side of the argument falls flat on it's face. Indeed, a condition of event management plans is that the promoter and venue have to have the total expected attendance known so that security and safety measure can be put in place, which is precisely why it's now become common practice to sell tickets for concerts subject to license and in no way should it mean that just because that is is on a ticket, that that person should not be surprised if the concert is cancelled mere weeks before it is take place. It's quite obtuse for you to suggest it tbh.And the complaint would have been that Keegan was prejudiced from the start if he had ruled out two.
The process has to be gone through fully in EVERYBODY's interests. And it works the same for everybody. C/W singers don't get special passes however much they think that they should.
Yet more innocence.
Keegan would NOT have been seen as being prejudicial, not even remotely. This was made clear at the Oireachtas. Owen Keegan made that ridiculous strawman argument, please stop parroting him. He said that if he "refused to take phonecalls" (eh, nobody implied he should have") or that if he told Aiken that he was "totally opposed" to the concerts and that they would "never get a license" (again, nobody implied that he should have done this) that he would be accused of being prejudicial.
Reasonable person: 'Owen, why didn't you hit the man back when he hit you',
Owen: 'Well you know, had I decided to stab the man to death, you know, I eh, would have ended up getting done for murder, so eh, you know, you can't win, this is the postion I was in'.
Reasonable person: 'Oh right so, yeah, cause that's the fcuking question I asked you'.
Yet again I'll say it: Slippery than a bar of soap our Mr.Keegan.What would have been different in this process if he had made it 'clearer', when he did he got an ultimatum...5 or nothing. You really need a dose of rationality here and see the truth of what was going on.
This makes zero sense, ZERO and makes you look extremely ill informed or at least, that you're pretending to be. It is the JOB of the council during all their meetings to communicate their 'true' position. Otherwise the applicant will be unaware whether or not their mitigation measures are sufficient or not. You are acting as if these people applied for a Driver's License or something ffs. The whole point of statutory meetings and submitting updated event management plans is to mitigate issues and meet conditions which are raised by the council.Please quote or show a source where a Garda said any such thing. Not a selective newspaper quoting as source or somebody quoting the newspaper BUT AN ACTUAL GARDA statement. I refuse to deal with your blatant lies in future posts, I will just skip them.
Please stop saying this is a lie, it's boring and also, please stop asking for Garda statements when you know that they haven't released one to date. This not about the 'Sindo' article. Again, quit suggesting it is. Both Keegan and Keogan have stated that the Gardai have informed them that between 36-40% (depending on which of them we listen to) from a sample of 200 may of yet prove to be dubious. Call it lies all you like, but it won't make it so.Oh dear is the answer to all of that. All I have seen is a clear and transparent process and issue of licence and two professionals being berated by TD's foaming at the mouth and looking for a head.
Link to TDs "foaming at mouth" please. I want video proof of the foaming. If you can't provide video proof of this, then you are lying and "I refuse to deal with your blatant lies".The facts here is that the process held firm as did the licence and the legislation.
Remember, all he did was say that he would approach Keoghan with the idea of four, showing that the decision was not just is alone and he is far from the maniacal despot as some depict him as.
You are extremely naive now if you believe that Owen Keegan asked for a guarantee from Brooks to do a 4th night, if he didn't know full well that Keogan would sign off on it. Keegan had been working closely with Keogan for months regarding the concerts and there is no chance that he wouldn't know just what Keogan would and would not be open to. Oh and if Keogan is really the "decision maker", then why did Keegan not put the the idea of five nights to him? When he tells Brooks I am willing to put four to Keogan, isn't that making a decision not to put five to him? Hell, even the fact that he won't just put four to Keogan, without tanting Brooks with a 'give me a guarantee and I will is testimony to the fact that Keegan is the one making the ultimately making the decisions.The last I heard of thios was that despite noises from Croke Park the residents had heard nothing from them in relation to it. I personally believe itwas 'optics' in an attempt to get the Brooks deal through.
They took part as a means of informing and meeting mitigation (clearly that was ignored / had to be ignored) and so of course it was partly done to make the way clear for further concerts and that naturally would include the imminent ones, that's nothing profound there. However, Croke Park held many meetings with the residents by way of mitigating their concerns before the Mulvey report. They also in fact, held a meeting with the handball alley, which apparently went on until after midnight and all came to an agreement but one person who hadn't attended the meeting refused to agree and so it all fell apart at the 11th hour. I have to say, I really fail to see what else Aiken and Croke Park could have done to address the concerts of residents. Do you know how many resident groups there are? The GAA did what they could do and indeed, they do a great deal for the area. They fund projects, tickets to games and concerts for "locals" and hold events for local kids, and also host an annual event whcch honours the OAPs of the surrounding area. This is not a venue which treats the local residents with disdain. Far from it.
Sure, they are applying for more concerts this year than ever before, but they are entitled to according to ABP. No concerts were held there last year and so it's not as if they exhaust their privilege each year or could be accused of taking the piss in any way. The only people doing that, is the resident splinter groups which constantly are stirring up trouble for the geuine residents, which is why close to the concerts taking place residents themselves were getting petitions in place to show support for all five concerts. Many houses had banners up on their homes in fact, making it clear that they had no issues with the five going ahead.Has the licence rescinded or altered?...nope. Professional job done, legally and within legislation. That is all we can ask of the professionals running state departments. Their job is now that little bit easier and unfettered...slowly the country is changing.
The independent review hasn't taken place yet. We have already closed the barn door after the horse has escaped, let's not go sticking the cart in front of him also.Pull the other one.
See, you think that accusing me of being a Garth Brooks fan in some way offends me, it doesn't, but the fact that you think it should, says more about your position here than it does about mine.The money is now in the lawsuit.
You see: this makes you look like you have no interest it the truth and are here to bang a drum. To suggest that Grath Brooks would make a decision not to play three gigs because he would make more money if he sued, is absurd. You really think a guy embarking on his comeback wants to tour the world with a court case hanging over his head. It's thoughtless, agenda saturated, tripe.The people mentioning it in the hearings where quoting the only source for that story ...the SINDO. Keep up.
LOL. No they were not. It's is YOU that needs to "keep up":
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Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »Pity Owen Keegan only offered to put four concerts to Keogan because of his concerns about not looking like a "complete sell out".Reformed Character wrote: »More rubbish.
You do know that because you say something is rubbish, that it doesn't actually then make it rubbish, no matter how many times the post gets he, backslapped. I suggest you, and whoever else is adamant that Keegan didn't infer that he made an offer of four, rather than the full five, because doing so would mean looking like a "complete sell out" to the residents, buy a extra large pack of cotton ear buds as that is precisely what he infers (at the 0m 28s mark):
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