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Garth Brooks concerts cancelled - **READ FIRST POST FOR MOD NOTES**

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    #1472
    dandyo
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭dandyo


    He's lost the trust of his sheep. That's punishment enough for a farmer who deals primarily......with sheep.


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    #1473
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    OldGoat wrote: »
    Agreed, it should be under scrutiny but the problem is that the TD's are attempting to influence rather then observe. Here be dragons.
    I agree with that. But that still does not take away from the fact that the DCC have to take as much of the blame for this as anybody else.


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    #1474
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Daith


    cournioni wrote: »
    I agree with that. But that still does not take away from the fact that the DCC have to take as much of the blame for this as anybody else.

    No they don't. They followed the procedure.


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    #1475
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    Daith wrote: »
    No they don't. They followed the procedure.

    Have you access to minutes of DCC meetings?


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    #1476
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Daith


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    Have you access to minutes of DCC meetings?

    Do you know how planning permission works?

    There was no obligation for DCC to allow any of these concerts.


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    #1477
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    How am I "backtracking"? That would imply I have changed my mind, or the figure in some way.. I haven't.

    Are you just fond of the word 'backtracking' or something?



    Anyway, here's my breakdown:

    400,000 tickets sold.
    70,000 purchased abroad.
    15,000 multiple attendees.
    _______________________
    315,000 (7% of the population).

    Wishiwasha, this in an honest question that I'd like to know the answer to and you might be the best to answer so can you tell me if there was correspondence between Aiken and DCC in the time between the third date selling out on January 30 and the forth concert being announced on February 3? And again between date 4 selling out and date 5 being announced. Sorry if the dates are incorrect but they're in that timeframe so you know what I mean.

    I'm interested to know because you talk about Aiken following the correct process so the level of discussions between the 2 during these periods would be good to know to either validate or dismiss that claim.


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    #1478
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    kippy wrote: »
    Where are you getting 15000 from? That would asdume 7500 buying for two nights ( and all other combinations etc...)

    Eh, maths fail...

    15,000 multiple attendees means just that.

    It would actually be 30,000 tickets.. but you subtract 15,000 because you don't want to count the same person twice ;)
    You backtrack because you suggest youve already accounted for this when you plainly dont have accurate figures to account for this....
    Even if you are right, and my figure is wrong.. that is not backtracking, that's just.. being wrong.

    You imply I didn't allocate for multiple attendees when coming up with my 7% figure. Well, if that's the case, then why does my percentage equate to 315,000 tickets? I mean, we all know that 70,000 are coming from abroad. So tell me why then I subtracted a further 15,000, if not to allocate for multiple attendees. Cheers.


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    #1479
    italodisco
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!


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    #1480
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    italodisco wrote: »
    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!


    How would the DCC know this? Garth cancelled the 3 nights so he'd be the first one to come out with this.


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    #1481
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,571 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Eh, maths fail...

    15,000 multiple attendees means just that.

    It would actually be 30,000 tickets.. but you subtract 15,000 because you don't want to count the same person twice ;)

    Even if you are right, and my figure is wrong.. that is not backtracking, that's just.. being wrong.

    You imply I didn't allocate for multiple attendees when coming up with my 7% figure. Well, if that's the case, then why does my percentage equate to 315,000 tickets? I mean, we all know that 70,000 are coming from abroad. So tell me why then I subtracted a further 15,000, if not to allocate for multiple attendees. Cheers.

    Have you access to the data?


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    #1482
    italodisco
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    How would the DCC know this? Garth cancelled the 3 nights so he'd be the first one to come out with this.

    I never said dcc announced it you clown.

    Oh ffs


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    #1483
    muddypaws
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    italodisco wrote: »
    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!

    DCC always allowed 3 nights, it was Aiken or Brooks, nobody seems to know which, that cancelled because they couldn't get all 5.


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    #1484
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    italodisco wrote: »
    I never said dcc announced it you clown.

    Oh ffs



    When did I say you said DCC announced it? Learn to read.


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    #1485
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Daith wrote: »
    Why would a fourth matter? Can you show me the DCC decision to offer fourth though?

    For Brooks it was all or nothing.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/promoter-rejected-olive-branch-of-fourth-garth-brooks-concert-1.1859859

    It matters because it shows up their decision making process to be utterly ambiguous. The fourth night was accepted, what changed that it wasn't accepted in the first place?


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    #1486
    OldGoat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,637 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    cournioni wrote: »
    I agree with that. But that still does not take away from the fact that the DCC have to take as much of the blame for this as anybody else.
    If I read the posts correctly (and at this stage my head is melted) the 4 gigs were talked about as part of the negotiation process before the announcment was made publicly.
    I imagine the scene was something along the lines of

    DCC: You know we don't have to give you any but in the interest of compromise between you and the local residents we will give you 3.
    GB/PA: Nope, I want all 5.
    DCC: We could probably push it to 4, it'll be a hard sell but it's the very best we can manage.
    GB/PA: Nope, I want all 5.
    DCC: Are ye sure now cos we have to make an announcement. The good people of Boards are waiting.
    GB/PA: Nope, I want all 5.
    DCC: Announcement - We will allow 3 gigs. Now it's up to Garth.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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    #1487
    bear1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    italodisco wrote: »
    I never said dcc announced it you clown.

    Oh ffs

    Why are you getting abusive?


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    #1488
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    italodisco wrote: »
    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!


    Yeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Bang Bang Bang


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    #1489
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Daith wrote: »
    No they don't. They followed the procedure.
    What procedure led to the acceptance of the fourth night?


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    #1490
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    On a completely different note, does anyone know why there was no support act on night 1.

    Surely the tickets for that concerts should have been cheaper.


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    #1491
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Daith


    cournioni wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/promoter-rejected-olive-branch-of-fourth-garth-brooks-concert-1.1859859

    It matters because it shows up their decision making process to be utterly ambiguous. The fourth night was accepted, what changed that it wasn't accepted in the first place?
    Mr Keegan told the promoters there was little likelihood five concerts would be permitted and it was probable licences would be granted for just three.
    The promoters advised Mr Keegan that Brooks would not agree to this.

    So basically the promoters were told that three events were likely to happen and the promoters wanted all five.

    So the promoters couldn't care less about planning permission. Great


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    #1492
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    italodisco wrote: »
    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!

    I thought the meeting wasn't until 3?

    And what about his 160,000 children that will still miss out? That's hardly a win for them.


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    #1493
    italodisco
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    bear1 wrote: »
    Why are you getting abusive?

    Honestly , as an adult that has lived and been in the outside world would you really consider that a terrible act of abuse ?

    I withdraw my 'clown' comment in case it upsets someone deeply.

    Comment withdrawn mod


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    #1494
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Daith


    cournioni wrote: »
    What procedure led to the acceptance of the fourth night?

    The promoters not accepting that three events would go ahead and trying to get all five concerts. Essentially saying that planning permission is a trivial thing to them.


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    #1495
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    what on earth is going on?

    The concerts have been cancelled, plans have been changed and NOW there's talk of him doing the three nights?

    WTF?

    Can I get my money back?


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    #1496
    Bravobabe
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭Bravobabe


    I hear Jesus is thinking of making a come-back tour. But he is no imposing any restrictions on the number of nights and doesn't think he should make too much fuss.


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    #1497
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Daith wrote: »
    The promoters not accepting that three events would go ahead and trying to get all five concerts. Essentially saying that planning permission is a trivial thing to them.
    I agree with you that the promoters have a part in the blame, but that is not what you and I are discussing here. We are discussing DCC's part in the blame and like it or not, they have a part in it through their ambiguous decisions.


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    #1498
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    italodisco wrote: »
    Honestly , as an adult that has lived and been in the outside world would you really consider that a terrible act of abuse ?

    I withdraw my 'clown' comment in case it upsets someone deeply.

    Comment withdrawn mod

    What do you mean the 3 gigs are back on? They where never off...Garth just didn't want to do them.


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    #1499
    dandyo
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭dandyo


    Disparaging the boot is a boot-able offence


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    #1500
    onlyme!
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭onlyme!


    italodisco wrote: »
    Just heard from a relative in dcc that it's back on !!!! No way , can't believe it ! Only 3 nights though but better than nothing !!

    So celebrate ffs !!

    Fans won !!

    Well done !!

    line up everyone ....Lets Dance!


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    #1501
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    cournioni wrote: »
    I agree with you that the promoters have a part in the blame, but that is not what you and I are discussing here. We are discussing DCC's part in the blame and like it or not, they have a part in it through their ambiguous decisions.

    What's 'ambigious' about 3 are licenced, 2 are not? Discussions pre a decision don't come into it.


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