Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v 4.0 (08/07/14 to date)

Roger_007

Vinny demands to know why his pet theory isn't in the report?

He's just an ignorant bollix. He does not know how to chair a discussion without taking sides.

I'm glad he's going.....he has become a parody of himself.

Ralf and Florian

https://twitter.com/samrboland/status/882725557640757249

Galwayguy35

The minute I saw crybaby O Riordain was on I switched over.

Good loser

Roger_007 wrote: »

Vinny demands to know why his pet theory isn't in the report?

He's just an ignorant bollix. He does not know how to chair a discussion without taking sides.

I'm glad he's going.....he has become a parody of himself.

Another absurd performance by Browne tonight.

He'e unbalanced as well as being outrageously biased as well as being innumerate as well as being a bully as well as being wrong about just about everything as well as indulging his dimwitted lackeys.

The sooner the better etc.

Lady Chatterton

Well done Vincent Browne on a truly excellent interview with the rape survivor, Dominque Meehan - what a courageous young woman.

mikeybrennan

Good interview alright

Vinnie misstepped midway but powerful stuff

snipey

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Well done Vincent Browne on a truly excellent interview with the rape survivor, Dominque Meehan - what a courageous young woman.

she was brave, Fair play to her,

Gen.Zhukov

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Well done Vincent Browne on a truly excellent interview with the rape survivor, Dominque Meehan - what a courageous young woman.

Yes, he was extremely genuine and empathetic.

theglobe

The absolute cretins in here saying the sooner Vincent leaves the better. Entertainment and a reasonably interesting discussion every bloody night for 11 years. No one replaces Vincent and all those other dopes who fill in for him are boring as **** yet people here would rather they presented. The mind absolutely boggles.

Brendan Bendar

theglobe wrote: »

The absolute cretins in here saying the sooner Vincent leaves the better. Entertainment and a reasonably interesting discussion every bloody night for 11 years. No one replaces Vincent and all those other dopes who fill in for him are boring as **** yet people here would rather they presented. The mind absolutely boggles.

The boy Browne was an absolute disaster,my friend.

Biased, arrogant, belligerent, unbalanced.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have seen this.

Complete flapper, had an agenda and didn't give fair play.

Good riddance.

mikeybrennan

Was too biased and belligerent

Had his good points too-

-Barristers command of a subject

-Good Horsh1t detection

theglobe

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The boy Browne was an absolute disaster,my friend.

Biased, arrogant, belligerent, unbalanced.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have seen this.

Complete flapper, had an agenda and didn't give fair play.

Good riddance.

You must be a modicum of fun at parties.

tayto lover

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The boy Browne was an absolute disaster,my friend.

Biased, arrogant, belligerent, unbalanced.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have seen this.

Complete flapper, had an agenda and didn't give fair play.

Good riddance.

I used to enjoy VB just for the fact that you got a good amount of entertainment during a good debate. However it quickly became unfunny when he packed the panel on his own side of the argument. Four against one was never a fair or convincing debate and it's been that way for years. VB became the master of populism.

RayM

theglobe wrote: »

The absolute cretins in here saying the sooner Vincent leaves the better. Entertainment and a reasonably interesting discussion every bloody night for 11 years. No one replaces Vincent and all those other dopes who fill in for him are boring as **** yet people here would rather they presented. The mind absolutely boggles.

Yup. He's disliked by the right kind of people: middle-aged right-wing men. It's the only Irish current affairs show that gives the left a fair hearing and allows any kind of leftist analysis of government policy. It's no wonder these boring old blowhards despise him.

tayto lover

RayM wrote: »

Yup. He's disliked by the right kind of people: middle-aged right-wing men. It's the only Irish current affairs show that gives the left a fair hearing and allows any kind of leftist analysis of government policy. It's no wonder these boring old blowhards despise him.

I would consider myself a leftie but i despise one-sided debates.

RayM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would consider myself a leftie but i despise one-sided debates.

I've seen/heard a far higher number of one-sided debates on Prime Time, The Week in Politics, and on RTE radio - i.e. one of the usual establishment hacks, chairing a panel of right/centre-right politicians and maybe a economist or someone from the Times or Independent. All very cosy.

Vincent Browne gives alternative voices and activists a fair hearing that they wouldn't otherwise get. It's the only time FF/FG/Labour (when they send representatives onto the show) face any kind of serious questioning on national television. The show's success is down to the fact that it offers something that RTE doesn't.

tayto lover

RayM wrote: »

I've seen/heard a far higher number of one-sided debates on Prime Time, The Week in Politics, and on RTE radio - i.e. one of the usual establishment hacks, chairing a panel of right/centre-right politicians and maybe a economist or someone from the Times or Independent. All very cosy.

Vincent Browne gives alternative voices and activists a fair hearing that they wouldn't otherwise get. It's the only time FF/FG/Labour (when they send representatives onto the show) face any kind of serious questioning on national television. The show's success is down to the fact that it offers something that RTE doesn't.

I have no problem with any of that as long as it's not 4 against 1 as is often the case on VB. It just comes across as venting and not proper debate. I'm not saying that RTE doesn't do similar either. I just like a debate to be balanced so that you can hear both sides.

RayM

tayto lover wrote: »

I have no problem with any of that as long as it's not 4 against 1 as is often the case on VB. It just comes across as venting and not proper debate. I'm not saying that RTE doesn't do similar either. I just like a debate to be balanced so that you can hear both sides.

I think the best thing about the show is that it isn't constrained by the idea of appearing balanced, and provides an alternative to the establishment consensus that RTE seeks to promote - which, more often than not, amounts to 4 against 0. There are a lot of voices and arguments out there that we wouldn't have heard a lot of without Vincent Browne (and I include right-wing economists like Peter Mathews and Constantin Gurdgiev in that).

One thing he is extremely good at is calling politicians (of all colours) out on any bullshitting or prevarication. Some might accuse him of using a "when did you stop beating your wife?" line of questioning, but more often than not, he's trying to prevent them from trotting out whatever meaningless rehearsed sound bite their PR people have prepped them with.

It troubles me when people say "good riddance" to Vincent Browne. It implies that they're far more comfortable listening to lazy regime hacks like Sean O'Rourke or Pat Kenny blindly accepting prepped answers to pre-agreed questions from the finance minister the morning after budget day. From what I've seen, these lads haven't got a modicum of intelligence between them.

Good loser

RayM wrote: »

I think the best thing about the show is that it isn't constrained by the idea of appearing balanced, and provides an alternative to the establishment consensus that RTE seeks to promote - which, more often than not, amounts to 4 against 0. There are a lot of voices and arguments out there that we wouldn't have heard a lot of without Vincent Browne (and I include right-wing economists like Peter Mathews and Constantin Gurdgiev in that).

One thing he is extremely good at is calling politicians (of all colours) out on any bullshitting or prevarication. Some might accuse him of using a "when did you stop beating your wife?" line of questioning, but more often than not, he's trying to prevent them from trotting out whatever meaningless rehearsed sound bite their PR people have prepped them with.

It troubles me when people say "good riddance" to Vincent Browne. It implies that they're far more comfortable listening to lazy regime hacks like Sean O'Rourke or Pat Kenny blindly accepting prepped answers to pre-agreed questions from the finance minister the morning after budget day. From what I've seen, these lads haven't got a modicum of intelligence between them.

I disagree completely. To me the guy is an obnoxious bully of limited intelligence and generally innumerate. Also,as Tayto says, his panels are ridiculously biased; the panelists toady up to him (laughing at his non-jokes) as do these 'twitter reporters' of late.

This past week or so he has been focusing on his favourite 'Big Themes' the latest being his pathetically absurd suggestions for 'new politics'.
His departure from the scene should improve the standard of political debate no end.

RayM

Yes, the standard of political debate will definitely improve when FG/FF/Labour politicians no longer have to worry about being asked any awkward questions that their advisers haven't prepared them for.

maximus02

Good loser wrote: »

I disagree completely. To me the guy is an obnoxious bully of limited intelligence and generally innumerate. Also,as Tayto says, his panels are ridiculously biased; the panelists toady up to him (laughing at his non-jokes) as do these 'twitter reporters' of late.

While VB and his guests are not in themselves always balanced, surely he presents an attempt to balance the right-wing drivel which RTE constantly shows.

In Prime Time the presenter ask the politician a question. The politician gives a completely different answer, unrelated to the question and the presenter then just moves on to another question.

At lease VB continue to ask his question until he gets an answer, although he sometimes has to give up!

FrancieBrady

Good loser wrote: »

I disagree completely. To me the guy is an obnoxious bully of limited intelligence and generally innumerate. Also,as Tayto says, his panels are ridiculously biased; the panelists toady up to him (laughing at his non-jokes) as do these 'twitter reporters' of late.

This past week or so he has been focusing on his favourite 'Big Themes' the latest being his pathetically absurd suggestions for 'new politics'.
His departure from the scene should improve the standard of political debate no end.

As opposed to FGs and FFs proposals/operation of New Politics?
He was an important part of the 'debate' during his entire career.
Imagine what would have been gotten away with in this country with out him and the very few others like him.
Not really bothered that his style bothers some...so what?

tayto lover

RayM wrote: »

I think the best thing about the show is that it isn't constrained by the idea of appearing balanced, and provides an alternative to the establishment consensus that RTE seeks to promote - which, more often than not, amounts to 4 against 0. There are a lot of voices and arguments out there that we wouldn't have heard a lot of without Vincent Browne (and I include right-wing economists like Peter Mathews and Constantin Gurdgiev in that).

One thing he is extremely good at is calling politicians (of all colours) out on any bullshitting or prevarication. Some might accuse him of using a "when did you stop beating your wife?" line of questioning, but more often than not, he's trying to prevent them from trotting out whatever meaningless rehearsed sound bite their PR people have prepped them with.

It troubles me when people say "good riddance" to Vincent Browne. It implies that they're far more comfortable listening to lazy regime hacks like Sean O'Rourke or Pat Kenny blindly accepting prepped answers to pre-agreed questions from the finance minister the morning after budget day. From what I've seen, these lads haven't got a modicum of intelligence between them.

I don't listen to RTE (Kenny or O'Rourke)at all except for the sport and that with the sound off usually(George Hamilton). VB to me can argue both sides of any debate just to get a fight going and that's bad journalism to me. RTE are biased. I remember Miriam "Sweetness" O'Callaghan giving Martin McGuinness a very hard time on the Presidential debate a few years ago and now we have VB doing the same thing whenever he decides, with loads of back-up, to some other politician.
It's just not good tv or fair debate.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't listen to RTE (Kenny or O'Rourke)at all except for the sport and that with the sound off usually(George Hamilton). VB to me can argue both sides of any debate just to get a fight going and that's bad journalism to me. RTE are biased. I remember Miriam "Sweetness" O'Callaghan giving Martin McGuinness a very hard time on the Presidential debate a few years ago and now we have VB doing the same thing whenever he decides, with loads of back-up, to some other politician.
It's just not good tv or fair debate.

I don't think I have a huge problem with any of the main political broadcasters, they all bring something to the mix, good and bad
Good to read the bitching about a broadcaster who could make any politician uncomfortable, left or right.
So much so that some cowered away from him.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't think I have a huge problem with any of the main political broadcasters, they all bring something to the mix, good and bad
Good to read the bitching about a broadcaster who could make any politician uncomfortable, left or right.
So much so that some cowered away from him.

Or saw him for what he was.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Or saw him for what he was.

He was a broadcaster not a political party. He took all to task,including the left, because I saw him do it. He had faults like every other broadcaster.

That he was left with the minnows of the ruling parties because the others couldn't hack the questions (some would say the real questions) speaks volumes, not about Browne though
His round every constituency series was avoided by most of the FG party leadership, that was shameful arrogance IMO.

Roger_007

Did Mick Wallace ever pay the tax he owed ?

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He was a broadcaster not a political party. He took all to task,including the left, because I saw him do it. He had faults like every other broadcaster.

That he was left with the minnows of the ruling parties because the others couldn't hack the questions (some would say the real questions) speaks volumes, not about Browne though
His round every constituency series was avoided by most of the FG party leadership, that was shameful arrogance IMO.

I have no time for politicians of any hue or colour but in the last number of years when I watched VB I couldn't help but feel the entire show was a charade, a stacked deck. I got no satisfaction from seeing some poor gillie being sacrificed live on air by the others regardless of which party he belonged.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

I have no time for politicians of any hue or colour but in the last number of years when I watched VB I couldn't help but feel the entire show was a charade, a stacked deck. I got no satisfaction from seeing some poor gillie being sacrificed live on air by the others regardless of which party he belonged.

The cut and thrust of political debate? The only people who got in trouble on VB were those who hadn't a leg to stand on. Exactly the way it should be actually.

I have time for politicians BTW, they are all we have.

For instance Mick Wallace has just asked why have so many Nama assets ended up in the hands of vulture funds?
I for one have not heard that asked by anyone on RTE.
*At time of posting: no answer from FG rep.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The cut and thrust of political debate? The only people who got in trouble on VB were those who hadn't a leg to stand on. Exactly the way it should be actually.

I have time for politicians BTW, they are all we have.

For instance Mick Wallace has just asked why have so many Nama assets ended up in the hands of vulture funds?
I for one have not heard that asked by anyone on RTE.
*At time of posting: no answer from FG rep.

Mick Wallace owes the state millions himself so he's the wrong person to be asking, even if what he's asking is right.
You cannot be a wee bit wrong and be ok to then ask about someone who's a large bit wrong.
Wrong is wrong for me. Steal a penny, steal a pound as my granny used to say.
That's the problem in this country with politicians of all parties. They complain about everyone elses garden while their own is just as dirty.
Our standards are not high enough.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Mick Wallace owes the state millions himself so he's the wrong person to be asking, even if what he's asking is right.
You cannot be a wee bit wrong and be ok to then ask about someone who's a large bit wrong.
Wrong is wrong for me. Steal a penny, steal a pound as my granny used to say.
That's the problem in this country with politicians of all parties. They complain about everyone elses garden while their own is just as dirty.
Our standards are not high enough.

Wallace is in dispute with the state.

I wouldn't pass judgement on him as I am not privy to the case details, although I note the internet has judged him. Quelle suprise.

If he committed a crime then he should be penalised for it btw, I agree on that.
But even that doesn't negate what he has to say about other things.
Personally I don't live my life constantly judging people, knowing that they, like me can mess up, make mistakes, do good, add to society etc etc.
That includes forming an opinion on VB's contribution. Ultimatley he added to broadcasting imo.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wallace is in dispute with the state.

I wouldn't pass judgement on him as I am not privy to the case details, although I note the internet has judged him. Quelle suprise.

If he committed a crime then he should be penalised for it btw, I agree on that.
But even that doesn't negate what he has to say about other things.
Personally I don't live my life constantly judging people, knowing that they, like me can mess up, make mistakes, do good, add to society etc etc.
That includes forming an opinion on VB's contribution. Ultimatley he added to broadcasting imo.

We're all entitled to our opinions. Ours just differ a little on the broadcasting merits of VB.

mikeybrennan

Serious allegations there

JMNolan

#vinb has leo on tonight I see. Last two night should be exciting I hope!

Roger_007

JMNolan wrote: »

#vinb has leo on tonight I see. Last two night should be exciting I hope!

How will we know it's Leo?..........and not Mario Rosenstock!

FrancieBrady

JMNolan wrote: »

#vinb has leo on tonight I see. Last two night should be exciting I hope!

Already the attention of the rest of the media is turning towards this.

Vincent can still pull 'em in.

Enda being too afraid to go on was Enda's problem, nobody else's.

Atlantic Dawn

Wonder how tomorrow night will go, will he let the guests bring a tray of Dutch Gold in?

chinwag

Leo has been on the VB show before, so he is reasonably familiar with the show and its host.

RayM

I hope they've been feeding Vincent a diet of raw meat in preparation for this.

FrancieBrady

RayM wrote: »

I hope they've been feeding Vincent a diet of raw meat in preparation for this.

One wonders will Leo be 'harangued' into one of his revealing 'early riser' gaffs.

Galwayguy35

Few points on last nights show.

Why weren't the people moaning that E100 dole for under 25s wasn't enough for travellers because "they marry earlier than settled people" called out on this, getting married and popping out kids is a choice, can't afford em use a condom.

The fella saying ambulance personnel didn't call to his house, instead parking down the driveway a bit should have been asked why and also why Gardai had to be present.

The mother and daughter looking for the council (taxpayer in other words) to do up the houses with the graffiti on them and no doors or windows should have been asked how they got in this state considering they were only built in 2001.
I'd reckon the reason refuse companies told them they won't collect the rubbish is because they know they would never be paid for doing the job.
Sure it's easier to let it pile up until the council eventually clear it for free.

Back in the studio the panel might as well not have been there because none of them had a word to say in case they offended Connors who was given the last word before the end shouting "water should be free".

Good news John, it is free if you're a traveller.

Glebee

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Few points on last nights show.

Why weren't the people moaning that E100 dole for under 25s wasn't enough for travellers because "they marry earlier than settled people" called out on this, getting married and popping out kids is a choice, can't afford em use a condom.

The fella saying ambulance personnel didn't call to his house, instead parking down the driveway a bit should have been asked why and also why Gardai had to be present.

The mother and daughter looking for the council (taxpayer in other words) to do up the houses with the graffiti on them and no doors or windows should have been asked how they got in this state considering they were only built in 2001.
I'd reckon the reason refuse companies told them they won't collect the rubbish is because they know they would never be paid for doing the job.
Sure it's easier to let it pile up until the council eventually clear it for free.

Back in the studio the panel might as well not have been there because none of them had a word to say in case they offended Connors who was given the last word before the end shouting "water should be free".

Good news John, it is free if you're a traveller.

Had to laugh at that alright. Nobody said bo to him. They all agreed with him..

mikeybrennan

The lad on the panel made a few wild allegations

Said the gardai geld a gun to an old lady's head and threatened to blow someone else's head off

Atlantic Dawn

Hopefully this is gold.

mikeybrennan

Vinnie has him on the run

SEPT 23 1989

His last savaging

Oscar Bravo

jeez vinny has him stumbling big time

Glebee

Could you imaging if vinnie had got his claws on Enda.....

Minimum wage thinking they are middle class? Give me some of what they smoke

SEPT 23 1989

Leo looking very silly with this middle Ireland crap