Israel bombs 160 sites in Gaza overnight. Mod Warnings in First Post.

Mr.Micro

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Perhaps, but right now Israel has the Middle East's only trump card, and it's pretty obvious that they need to be reigned in somehow. The threat of an enemy with nukes might just make them think twice before they go on another carpet bombing campaign.


Of course it might not, this is purely a theory.

It's quite a scary scenario IMO. Imagine for one moment that Iran acquired nuclear weapons. Suddenly there is now two players, and the US has to appease two opposing nations, the one gung-ho to destroy Gaza and it's population, the other completely opposed. So could Hamas then do as it pleases, knowing it's acquired a big brother? It certainly would be a game changer.

BuilderPlumber

Mr.Micro wrote: »

It's quite a scary scenario IMO. Imagine for one moment that Iran acquired nuclear weapons. Suddenly there is now two players, and the US has to appease two opposing nations, the one gung-ho to destroy Gaza and it's population, the other completely opposed. So could Hamas then do as it pleases, knowing it's acquired a big brother? It certainly would be a game changer.

Only thing is Iran and Israel are a lot better friends with each other than they let on. Iran and Israel had no reason in 1979 to fall out whatsoever! They don't border each other, have no land dispute and BOTH are anti Arab. Saddam was a common enemy and Saddam was a hero of the Palestinians. Ayatollah Khomeini was a pro-British fraud and part British/Irish (hence the secret oil deals for the Brits and the pro-IRA/Bobby Sands rhetoric for the Irish from the regime in its infancy!!). Ahmadinejad was too much of a caricature to be for real: 100% Saddam Hussein imitator manufactured in the US/Israel to be for real. Designed to fool us all. In the end, Khamenei even got worried he would jeopardise Iran and Israel's cozy little secret alliance.

BuilderPlumber

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That is in fact one of the reasons I semi-support Iran's nuclear ambitions. Perhaps once MAD is established and Israel is no longer the only kid on the block with the biggest guns, they won't be able to use the threat of violence as easily to screw with everyone around them.

That was precisely why the Shah of Iran (Pahlavi) was ousted. The Islamic Republic military regime was set up to destroy Iran and make it poor and weak ... by Israel and the West. Now, the regime couldn't be singing the praises of the West and Israel for fear of having its people believe that the 1979 'revolution' was not a revolution at all but a colonisation of the country by voodoos working for the West and the so-called 'Zionists'. Israel remains the ONLY nuclear power in the Middle East other than India and Pakistan (the latter two at the very Eastern fringes of this region and too far away to cause too much concern).

SeanW

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Only thing is Iran and Israel are a lot better friends with each other than they let on. Iran and Israel had no reason in 1979 to fall out whatsoever! They don't border each other, have no land dispute and BOTH are anti Arab. Saddam was a common enemy and Saddam was a hero of the Palestinians. Ayatollah Khomeini was a pro-British fraud and part British/Irish (hence the secret oil deals for the Brits and the pro-IRA/Bobby Sands rhetoric for the Irish from the regime in its infancy!!). Ahmadinejad was too much of a caricature to be for real: 100% Saddam Hussein imitator manufactured in the US/Israel to be for real. Designed to fool us all. In the end, Khamenei even got worried he would jeopardise Iran and Israel's cozy little secret alliance.

Huh???

For one thing, if this vast nefarious plot (that makes no sense BTW, because history records that the Shah was overtly Western friendly - to the point of being a puppet - let the Americans have military bases in Iran and everything) is so "secret" how come you know of it?

Sierra Oscar

Gaza conflict: UN accuses Israel over Jabaliya attack

Israel launched a deadly attack on a UN school housing refugees in Gaza despite repeated warnings that civilians were sheltering there, the UN has said.

Israeli attacks on UN facilities and personnel are becoming far too regular to be a coincidence. Still no comment from Israel about the attack that killed 15 civilians, despite the fact that the UN has said that it inspected the facility and confirmed there were no weapons and warned Israel over a dozen times that the school was housing refugees.

Dublin Red Devil

Why is nobody pointing fingers at the the Jews in America who spend over 3 billion dollars of American tax payer money each year on funding the Israel military and aiding the development of illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land.

comongethappy

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Why is nobody pointing fingers at the the Jews in America who spend over 3 billion dollars of American tax payer money each year on funding the Israel military

Are congress all Jews now?

Gringo180

I am sick to my stomach reading the Israeli sympathisers posts on here, nobody with any decency can defend what there doing in Gaza. Even before Hamas was created they were killing women and children and when the PLO signed the Oslo Accord and said they would recognise Israel as a jewish state the Israeli's continued to build illegal settlements. Its the Israelis who are breaking all these deals and people come on here with the cheek to say its all Hamas's fault when in fact Israel as a state was founded on Zionist and Jewish terrorism (educate yourselfs on the Stern gang and the Irgun).

Dublin Red Devil

comongethappy wrote: »

Are congress all Jews now?

Congress may not be but the major banks and corporation that pull their strings are. They also control the media.

K-9

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Congress may not be but the major banks and corporation that pull their strings are. They also control the media.

Mod:

As per the warning in the first post:

General Note: Any more posts about Jewish Conspiracy Theory stuff will result in bans, no more warnings. This is a politics forum, people are welcome to use the Conspiracy Theory forum for stuff like that. Thank you.

This is the politics forum, not the Conspiracy Theory forum. Your post looks very much like Jews control the banks and the media. This is not the forum for it, you are welcome to use the appropriate forum for that. Any further posts like that will result in a ban, pm me if you have any queries.

hatrickpatrick

Mr.Micro wrote: »

It's quite a scary scenario IMO. Imagine for one moment that Iran acquired nuclear weapons. Suddenly there is now two players, and the US has to appease two opposing nations, the one gung-ho to destroy Gaza and it's population, the other completely opposed. So could Hamas then do as it pleases, knowing it's acquired a big brother? It certainly would be a game changer.

Hamas doesn't seem to need much of a justification to do whatever it pleases anyway though? How much more barbaric could they get? I mean as far as I understand it the bus bombing campaign was never officially called off by Hamas, it just became impractical because of heightened security arrangements making it almost impossible to get suicide bombers through.

hatrickpatrick

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Gaza conflict: UN accuses Israel over Jabaliya attack



Israeli attacks on UN facilities and personnel are becoming far too regular to be a coincidence. Still no comment from Israel about the attack that killed 15 civilians, despite the fact that the UN has said that it inspected the facility and confirmed there were no weapons and warned Israel over a dozen times that the school was housing refugees.

People can accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat all they like, but it's starting to strike me that informing the IDF of a location housing fleeing civilians is like drawing a massive bullseye on the building. :mad:

Mr.Micro

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

People can accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat all they like, but it's starting to strike me that informing the IDF of a location housing fleeing civilians is like drawing a massive bullseye on the building. :mad:

The Israelis want to make Gaza a place where no one can live, as in, reduced to concrete rubble. Any excuse to bomb or attack. Israel will keep this campaign going for as long as possible causing the maximum destruction and human misery. The UN will pussyfoot around as usual, masking noises like it can do anything. Nothing will happen to reign in the Israeli terrorists, so long as a Uncle Sam looks the other way, and distracts itself with the Ukraine. Shame on you Obama.

Sierra Oscar

BBC News: Gaza conflict: 'Israeli air strike kills 15 in market'

At least 15 people have been killed and 160 wounded in an Israeli air strike that hit a market near Gaza City, Palestinian officials say.

The explosion hit a busy fruit and vegetable market in Shejaiya, east of Gaza City, where hundreds of Palestinians were shopping, a spokesman for the Gaza health ministry said.

Absolutely disgraceful. And I am just after listening to an Israeli spokesperson claim on RTÉ radio 1 right now that the four hour 'humanitarian' ceasefire was only adhered to by Israel. Blatant misinformation is being allowed to go unchallenged across our media.

A journalist was also murdered by Israeli military forces in that airstrike too.

@AleemMaqbool

BBC Arabic colleague @alkashif_BBC says journalist Rami Rayan among the dead in Gaza market attack (during ceasefire) http://fb.me/6NQEchShu

https://twitter.com/AleemMaqbool/status/494508907092389888

Nodin

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

BBC News: Gaza conflict: 'Israeli air strike kills 15 in market'



Absolutely disgraceful. And I am just after listening to an Israeli spokesperson claim on RTÉ radio 1 right now that the four hour 'humanitarian' ceasefire was only adhered to by Israel. Blatant misinformation is being allowed to go unchallenged across our media.

A journalist was also murdered by Israeli military forces in that airstrike too.



https://twitter.com/AleemMaqbool/status/494508907092389888

They've also hit another school.

At least 15 Palestinians were killed and about 90 injured early on Wednesday when a UN school sheltering displaced people was hit by shells during a second night of relentless bombardment that followed an Israeli warning of a protracted military campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/gaza-another-un-school-hit-in-further-night-of-fierce-bombardment

cert2009

Nodin wrote: »

They've also hit another school.

At least 15 Palestinians were killed and about 90 injured early on Wednesday when a UN school sheltering displaced people was hit by shells during a second night of relentless bombardment that followed /QUOTE]

Just 3 words to decribe Israeli`s: Murderers, butchers, and cowards

tayto lover

cert2009 wrote: »

Nodin wrote: »

They've also hit another school.

At least 15 Palestinians were killed and about 90 injured early on Wednesday when a UN school sheltering displaced people was hit by shells during a second night of relentless bombardment that followed /QUOTE]

Just 3 words to decribe Israeli`s: Murderers, butchers, and cowards

Cowards and liars too.
Baby killers.

Black Swan

cert2009 wrote: »

Just 3 words to decribe Israeli`s: Murderers, butchers, and cowards

tayto lover wrote: »

Cowards and liars too.
Baby killers.

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gallag

Amazing this is such a political hot potato! Just seen a free palistine parade in Belfast, why? Why this particular event? Is Syria not a lot more serious? And flotillas of food that will never get through, that's particularly crazy is it not? Flotillas of food to a place no one is starving??? Between 18-25000 people starved to death today, where are their flotillas? Where are their protests?

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Amazing this is such a political hot potato! Just seen a free palistine parade in Belfast, why? Why this particular event? Is Syria not a lot more serious? And flotillas of food that will never get through, that's particularly crazy is it not? Flotillas of food to a place no one is starving??? Between 18-25000 people starved to death today, where are their flotillas? Where are their protests?

The Syrian Government is under sanctions.

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

The Syrian Government is under sanctions.

Thank god for that, has the killing ended?

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Thank god for that, has the killing ended?

Unfortunately no. They have however been forced to give up their chemical weapons, which is something.

shedweller

Nodin wrote: »

Unfortunately no. They have however been forced to give up their chemical weapons, which is something.

Now if we could force someone else to give up their nukes and genocide we'd be getting somewhere. But we'd be bad people to make them do that wouldn't we.

Rightwing

Looks like the Israelis are winding down their mission.

what exactly did they achieve apart from:
utter destruction,
turning most intelligent people in the world completely against them,
mass murder,
spawning more attackers of the next generation

R P McMurphy

Rightwing wrote: »

Looks like the Israelis are winding down their mission.

what exactly did they achieve apart from:
utter destruction,
turning most intelligent people in the world completely against them,
mass murder,
spawning more attackers of the next generation

I think there has been a bigger backlash against this Israeli attack than on previous escapades. Not from state actors but in general. The level of awareness about Gaza and by extension the west bank has definitely increased among the general population and the level of revulsion at what was going on was evident across multiple platforms. Maybe that is the only thing to come from this prolonged assault. There will be a lot of maimed people trying to rebuild what is left of their lives, demolished homes, inadequate services, children permanantly disabled and psychologically scarred. A sickening episode in Israels latest attempt to strangle the Palestinian movement towards statehood. This colonial mess will not end well

tayto lover

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I think there has been a bigger backlash against this Israeli attack than on previous escapades. Not from state actors but in general. The level of awareness about Gaza and by extension the west bank has definitely increased among the general population and the level of revulsion at what was going on was evident across multiple platforms. Maybe that is the only thing to come from this prolonged assault. There will be a lot of maimed people trying to rebuild what is left of their lives, demolished homes, inadequate services, children permanantly disabled and psychologically scarred. A sickening episode in Israels latest attempt to strangle the Palestinian movement towards statehood. This colonial mess will not end well

I think the hatred of Israel is at an all-time high.
They are wiped out in the propaganda war.
Jews in France and elsewhere getting an awful time too.

Rightwing

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I think there has been a bigger backlash against this Israeli attack than on previous escapades. Not from state actors but in general. The level of awareness about Gaza and by extension the west bank has definitely increased among the general population and the level of revulsion at what was going on was evident across multiple platforms. Maybe that is the only thing to come from this prolonged assault. There will be a lot of maimed people trying to rebuild what is left of their lives, demolished homes, inadequate services, children permanantly disabled and psychologically scarred. A sickening episode in Israels latest attempt to strangle the Palestinian movement towards statehood. This colonial mess will not end well

I agree 100%.

And also they don't have the stomach for a ground fight. Dropping bombs is about all they are good for. They'll probably look for some 'daisy cutters' from America next time.

R P McMurphy

tayto lover wrote: »

I think the hatred of Israel is at an all-time high.
They are wiped out in the propaganda war.
Jews in France and elsewhere getting an awful time too.

I feel sorry for jewish people that are not zionist supporters as is probably inevitable that they become tarred with the same brush and then a target for sectarian assaults in some high tension areas. Was good to see members of the jewish community voicing their objections about this latest israeli attack on gaza. If those protests continue to grow it size it would damage the continuous attempts of the pro-israel camp to merge zionism with the jewish religion and thereby label anyone not in support of this murderous colonial adventure as an anti-semite

Mr.Micro

tayto lover wrote: »

I think the hatred of Israel is at an all-time high.
They are wiped out in the propaganda war.
Jews in France and elsewhere getting an awful time too.

That might explain why Netanyahu is asking for people to support Israel in the fight. Who is he fooling?

wes

tayto lover wrote: »

Jews in France and elsewhere getting an awful time too.

Yes, its completely awful that is happening. It reminds me of similar things happened after the murder of Lee Rigby, when various mosques etc were attacked in the UK. Unfortunately, racists of all stripes will use such events as an excuse to attack minorities.

Rightwing

wes wrote: »

Yes, its completely awful that is happening. It reminds me of similar things happened after the murder of Lee Rigby, when various mosques etc were attacked in the UK. Unfortunately, racists of all stripes will use such events as an excuse to attack minorities.

I'm not sure they are racists, just uneducated people looking for aggression.

wes

Mr.Micro wrote: »

That might explain why Netanyahu is asking for people to support Israel in the fight. Who is he fooling?

Sure, Al Qaeda tried to pull that same nonsense as well, when there own attacks directly caused a huge rise in hatred against Muslims.

brian ireland

brian ireland wrote: »

I have a friend who lives in Gaza, he is Muslim but I am not (not that it matters) He volunteers for freedom aid in Gaza. They have no money or income so I try and send some money over when I can to buy food for his family.
They are peaceful and very nice people. I ring every day to get updates but I have to say its a bit depressing hearing the stories about the people being slaughtered and the fear in his voice as the bombs explode behind him while on the phone.
He told me they have nowhere to go and are just waiting to die. Yesterday they decided to go to a UN school as it might have some protection, they did but tonight they returned home to shower and get some food. Just an hour ago Israel bombed his street with white phosphor now he his father and grandfather are choking from the chemical. He posted some gruesome photo on Facebook of his friends and neighbors dismembered bodies. Kids with their arms, stomach, legs all in pieces blown to bits. I can’t repost them because my Facebook friends would be too shocked and sickened.
I can’t pray for them him and his family because I don’t pray. With all the debate about who is to blame these poor people are suffering for the crime of being born in Gaza.

brian ireland wrote: »

The UN School my friend was staying in was bombed today by Israel. He went home and the military ordered 20 of them to walk down the street. 5 of them where shot dead. This is just crazy.

My cousin is married to a man from Israel so I know people on both sides. This is just murder in my view. These are just village people nothing else. The emergency services are targets too, they can't help the injured or they could be shot trying.

I am sure some politicians or people with power read boards as this is a politics forum

You have to ask yourself if you have the power to make your voice heard to save innocent people on both sides.
Why are you in your job if you stay silent?

Just found this on the net

This is my friend Walid in this video standing on what was his house! I know this is a politics thread and this is not politics but its a chapter in the story

walshb

wes wrote: »

Yes, its completely awful that is happening. It reminds me of similar things happened after the murder of Lee Rigby, when various mosques etc were attacked in the UK. Unfortunately, racists of all stripes will use such events as an excuse to attack minorities.

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

I think that's a cop out.

Anti semitism not = brutality on behalf on Israel.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

And this is based on what, exactly?

Rightwing

Nodin wrote: »

And this is based on what, exactly?

I suspect absolute rubbish...considering there are more jews in france than any other country in Europe.

walshb

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Sorry, you stated "We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism. " - Would you care to back that up?

Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I agree many mightn't know about it, and I'm no expert. However, I know when I see wrongs being committed. I'm no more anti jew than I am anti catholic or protestant. I am anti Israel policy. Big difference.

Manach

I vaguely recall an ex-Minsiter lecturing people on how Ireland is in no place to judge history based on the deep, deep anti-Semitic history of a boycott of Jewish shops in Limerick pre-WWI. I'm unsure if it was ever pointed out to him the contextually picture, especially in light of the pogroms in Eastern Europe at the time that had laid the foundations of classic Zionism (from a text on Israel Palestine by Martin Burton )

johnnyskeleton

Manach wrote: »

I vaguely recall an ex-Minsiter lecturing people on how Ireland is in no place to judge history based on the deep, deep anti-Semitic history of a boycott of Jewish shops in Limerick pre-WWI. I'm unsure if it was ever pointed out to him the contextually picture, especially in light of the pogroms in Eastern Europe at the time that had laid the foundations of classic Zionism (from a text on Israel Palestine by Martin Burton )

Somethig people forget about that is that after fleeing Limerick many of the jews were warmly welcomed in Cork and Cobh.

walshb

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

BlaasForRafa

walshb wrote: »

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

K-9

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Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

There is truth in this.

The reason being the 1 sided nature of it. Very few neutrals can't be touched by the stories such as 'an emergency pregnancy, baby born, mother and the rest of family dies'. Or just the total destruction of Gaza.

The World's media is also there. To think that it's just here is naive in the extreme.

whatstherush

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

Why does one side of this minor little conflict that we shouldn't give a ****e about, have the most powerful political lobby in the most powerful country, justifying their every action?

If as you contend this is a little back water conflict why does this lobby exist?

Leftist

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

Israel is a western ally.

If Syria was concentrating this level of strength and ferocity on a walled city like gaza while being backed by the US as victims, then people would be as outraged.

the insinuation that people care because it's 'jews' is an insinuation that criticism of israeli force and brutality is anti-semitic.

Which apart from being lazy and pathetic, actually insults the sincerity of genuine ant-semitism.

You don't have to be anti-Eastern Orthodox to be against Serbian brutality during the 90s.
or anti White African to be against SA apartheid.
Or Anti-Catholic to be against the Provos etc.

wes

Leftist wrote: »

Israel is a western ally.

To add to that, being a Western ally, and also a major trading partner with the EU, and the lack of sanctions by our governments, mean that we are in a position to do something.

In the case of Syria, Assad is already under sanctions as are some of the groups fighting against him.

Israel however have escaped sanctions for some bizarre reason, and are given a free hand. The massive hypocrisy, is also a huge reason why people are annoyed. On the one hand Russia is sanctioned for expanding outside her borders into the Crimea, and on the other the West is supporting Israel doing the same thing in the West Bank.

seanaway

Leftist wrote: »

Israel is a western ally.

'' ....actually insults the sincerity of genuine ant-semitism.''

What a viscious statement.