superlevy 2015

whelan2

was waiting for kevthegaff to start this but no sign .... i will be under but close enough on filling it, hows everyone else looking?

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

was waiting for kevthegaff to start this but no sign .... i will be under but close enough on filling it, hows everyone else looking?

50 to 75k over at current projections... Long way to go yet.

whitebriar

Timmaay wrote: »

50 to 75k over at current projections... Long way to go yet.

I hope you mean litres not gallons there :eek:

Greengrass1

Half filled so far but have 14 cows to dry of over next two weeks so that'll help.
But could end up 80k + over having ten extra cows this yr and 20 next spring make a big difference

mahoney_j

Jaysus. Lads going 60 to 80 k over is goingvto fairly cripple ye,take action now ,don't be sidetracked by good milk price at the moment.personally will be over but by 15 k max I reckon.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Jaysus. Lads going 60 to 80 k over is goingvto fairly cripple ye,take action now ,don't be sidetracked by good milk price at the moment.personally will be over but by 15 k max I reckon.

Ah I plan on . we've already sorted out money until may milk cheque comes in so well get by.
Never imagined id fill so much of my quota so quick

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

Jaysus. Lads going 60 to 80 k over is goingvto fairly cripple ye,take action now ,don't be sidetracked by good milk price at the moment.personally will be over but by 15 k max I reckon.

Permier cat 1 lads got away with 60k this yr!

Greengrass1

I wonder has Coveny got a deal done on the B.fat adjustment and keeping it under rmwraps so lads don't go nad?

mahoney_j

lads got away this year fair enough but what id b worried about is the fact that we are so far over through peak months,Last year it was september /october before the crap hit the fan.Been so far over at peak would have to be a worry and also the fact that most lads will be calving down extra next spring.on the butterfat adjustement id be fairly sure a deal will be done but it wil be 23.59 on march 31 2015 before anything will be announced!!!.Was talking to an arrabawn supplier earlier in the week and he is going to be full very early in august,And no it wasnt kev!!

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

lads got away this year fair enough but what id b worried about is the fact that we are so far over through peak months,Last year it was september /october before the crap hit the fan.Been so far over at peak would have to be a worry and also the fact that most lads will be calving down extra next spring.on the butterfat adjustement id be fairly sure a deal will be done but it wil be 23.59 on march 31 2015 before anything will be announced!!!.Was talking to an arrabawn supplier earlier in the week and he is going to be full very early in august,And no it wasnt kev!!

Ye that's what I was thinking. They are going to say its not going to happen to stop lads pushing on

Injuryprone

I'd say there won't be a drop of milk collected in the last few days of March. Sure 3 days at the end of March would come to nearly 1% of total quota. Might make all the difference......

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

lads got away this year fair enough but what id b worried about is the fact that we are so far over through peak months,Last year it was september /october before the crap hit the fan.Been so far over at peak would have to be a worry and also the fact that most lads will be calving down extra next spring.on the butterfat adjustement id be fairly sure a deal will be done but it wil be 23.59 on march 31 2015 before anything will be announced!!!.Was talking to an arrabawn supplier earlier in the week and he is going to be full very early in august,And no it wasnt kev!!

With me it wasn't hugely intentional ha, our average yield per cow this year will be close on 6k, against 5300 last yr, that's just down to improved efficiency, less passengers and much more spring calvers who get fed correctly! Overall we haven't increased cow numbers, we are still 10 down on what we had afew years back at my dad's peak. It's sort of caught me by surprise 2bh, I'm pulling back the meal now anyways, and letting cows clean out stronger paddocks (which I don't want to mow with the dry weather and poor growth).

I can quite easily dry off cows 3wks early and feed milk instead of milk replacer, so I'm certainly not going to panic and pull the plug now. And if it does come to the case that I risk say a 75kl SL fine I'll be making sure it doesn't hit cash flow etc.

keep going

The thing about this year is there is no coop under

whelan2

also spring 2013 was very bad on alot of farms, thats what kept the superlevy lower for 2014 , nothing has happened yet to lower the supply for this year

frazzledhome

Pushing to fill here. After years of leasing, buying and begging I think I've my levy well paid

stanflt

On target to be ok
40k less milk delivered than last year

Cows now on 2kg meal and doing 26litres

Timmaay

Kev hasn't posted on boards in a while has he?? My guess is that he was full a month ago, cows already dried off and kev is off on his winter holidays for 6months

Greengrass1

http://www.agriland.ie/news/butterfat-amendment-kicked-touch-brussels/
Simon may keep trying

whelan2

what are the other conditions for the hardship scheme, i know if you are locked up there is an allowance? Asking for a neighbour

Injuryprone

whelan2 wrote: »

what are the other conditions for the hardship scheme, i know if you are locked up there is an allowance? Asking for a neighbour

If you're small you'll get 5k litres

keep going

whelan2 wrote: »

what are the other conditions for the hardship scheme, i know if you are locked up there is an allowance? Asking for a neighbour

Almost sure its only open for disease this year.you wouldnt want to have alot of extra cows theyre not looking too kindly on it

whelan2

the fella i am asking for was locked up last year and applied, he didnt get the allocation til very late in the year, does it only apply for one year? he got alot more than 5k litres afair

keep going

Whats national position now , coop is 9% over.I reckon lads filled away the quota while price was good and cows were milking well but will pull the plug early

keep going

Lisavaird 9 % over I think country 6.7 and no let up .what are your strategies if you going over.1 nov drying here and no ration despite a couple of drought related grass shortages, just fed a baleof hay and it definatly pulled them in.reckon once a day wont do much for it now unless its a way to get to dry off early.fleximilk is almost non existent

whelan2

in journal this morning, on 31st august 2014 ireland was 6.4% over quota. At end of September
Arrabawn 10% over
Aurivo 3% over
Bandon 8.4%
Barryroe 8%
Centenary Thurles 9.8%
Dairygold 9.4%
Drinagh 9%
Glanbia 7.4%
Kerry 3.5%
Lakelands 8.5%
Lisavaird 9%
Tipperary 8.0%
Town of Monaghan 6%
Wexford 7.2%
all over quota

mahoney_j

whelan2 wrote: »

in journal this morning, on 31st august 2014 ireland was 6.4% over quota. At end of September
Arrabawn 10% over
Aurivo 3% over
Bandon 8.4%
Barryroe 8%
Centenary Thurles 9.8%
Dairygold 9.4%
Drinagh 9%
Glanbia 7.4%
Kerry 3.5%
Lakelands 8.5%
Lisavaird 9%
Tipperary 8.0%
Town of Monaghan 6%
Wexford 7.2%
all over quota

Going to be a serious problem for many next april.Met one guy yesterday full late last week and buying dry cow tubes todry off first calvers and rest at end of month,know another who is full since late august,Quota for 70 milking 150 and planning on 180 next year.Still feeding 2,5 kg and going to milk on for winter.Brave man!!unless something drastic happens country could easily be 10% over

Greengrass1

Wexford 7% over!! Thats a first and after all the moving around if suppliers

solwhit2

I will be full in about a month don't what I'm going to do milked on last year and was 90k over and got away with it unlikely that I'll get with it next year .

arctic8dave

We're full with about 2 week's. Half the herd dry & the rest will be in another 2 week's. Was in same situation last year and got away with no fine (<350k) but no chance this year.

Timmaay

Jesus lads I'm predicting to be only 20k over, so drying off some cows already, I'm far too lazy to be slaving away in the parlour for no gain, not to mind the huge risk of destroying cashflow next spring when the arse could be totally gone outa milk.

We had the fodder crisis in 2013, next big crisis in my view will be the SL if lads don't throw out the anchors soon.

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

Going to be a serious problem for many next april.Met one guy yesterday full late last week and buying dry cow tubes todry off first calvers and rest at end of month,know another who is full since late august,Quota for 70 milking 150 and planning on 180 next year.Still feeding 2,5 kg and going to milk on for winter.Brave man!!unless something drastic happens country could easily be 10% over

What a dick. He must have sh1t for brains. I'm milking OAD since the 1st of oct, will hopefully not have my own quota full until mid march. I'll still be around 40000L over, but at least I'm trying. Guys like him are fcuking it up for everyone

stretch film

Cows getting no encouragement here.
Filling just contract volumes till year end.
First aut calvings by weekend so will calve a batch and dry a batch in return .

Its the expansion group that will cause me the biggest headache next feb/march
Was hoping to be slightly under to soak that up . Bfat reference making up 2/3 of over quota atm .

Might get v lazy christmas week and all jan and feck the liq quota .

Milked out

Have u minimum winter targets to be met in order to stay in liquid/winter milk scheme?

stretch film

Milked out wrote: »

Have u minimum winter targets to be met in order to stay in liquid/winter milk scheme?

Daily volume in liquid . Small winter scheme pot here . Value in euros divided at relevant monthly rate on any surlpus litres until used up. Could get 3 different milk prices in the one month iykwim

mf240

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

What a dick. He must have sh1t for brains. I'm milking OAD since the 1st of oct, will hopefully not have my own quota full until mid march. I'll still be around 40000L over, but at least I'm trying. Guys like him are fcuking it up for everyone

Its his own business how much he wants to gamble.

Brown Podzol

mf240 wrote: »

Its his own business how much he wants to gamble.

It is, but recklessness like that could become other people's business very quickly in the form of unpaid bills etc.

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

What a dick. He must have sh1t for brains. I'm milking OAD since the 1st of oct, will hopefully not have my own quota full until mid march. I'll still be around 40000L over, but at least I'm trying. Guys like him are fcuking it up for everyone

Fully agree,Farming in fantasy land tbh .Ill be switching to oad in early november as well to save some quota for spring but still reckon ill be full by mid march which i can handle.I can also hold 12 k ltrs of milk in late march which i will be doing as well.I dont think he will be as smug next spring or for a long time after that when he is paying back levy

stanflt

Reality is that if milk price were to drop sub 28cpl every farmer in this country could consider dumping all of march milk

Now I'm just saying but processors won't like this as they don't care if a farmer is over quota as they still make their margins- different story if their not getting their milk

Maybe they will have to do some sort of deal to pay a% of the national sl

You might think I'm crazy but if Glanbia couldn't get milk in the morning there would be big trouble

Pressure is on coop to keep milk price over 32cpl

Dawggone

stanflt wrote: »

Reality is that if milk price were to drop sub 28cpl every farmer in this country could consider dumping all of march milk

Now I'm just saying but processors won't like this as they don't care if a farmer is over quota as they still make their margins- different story if their not getting their milk

Maybe they will have to do some sort of deal to pay a% of the national sl

You might think I'm crazy but if Glanbia couldn't get milk in the morning there would be big trouble

Pressure is on coop to keep milk price over 32cpl

+1. On the button. If those large processors can't get raw material you'd be surprised how quick milk auctions in the Southern Hemisphere get forgotten.

I'm seeing it here right now.

darragh_haven

stanflt wrote: »

Reality is that if milk price were to drop sub 28cpl every farmer in this country could consider dumping all of march milk

Now I'm just saying but processors won't like this as they don't care if a farmer is over quota as they still make their margins- different story if their not getting their milk

Maybe they will have to do some sort of deal to pay a% of the national sl

You might think I'm crazy but if Glanbia couldn't get milk in the morning there would be big trouble

Pressure is on coop to keep milk price over 32cpl

But most farmers that continue to milk wont dump milk and hope for the best. And the processor will continue to get his raw material regardless.

Its a bit like the beef factories.... they'll get their animals regardless of price because you'll never get any sort of majority of farmers to agree to hold back the animals when they are fit

stanflt

darragh_haven wrote: »

But most farmers that continue to milk wont dump milk and hope for the best. And the processor will continue to get his raw material regardless.

Its a bit like the beef factories.... they'll get their animals regardless of price because you'll never get any sort of majority of farmers to agree to hold back the animals when they are fit

You would be very surprised
Dairy men have a history of protesting

frazzledhome

stanflt wrote: »

Reality is that if milk price were to drop sub 28cpl every farmer in this country could consider dumping all of march milk

Now I'm just saying but processors won't like this as they don't care if a farmer is over quota as they still make their margins- different story if their not getting their milk

Maybe they will have to do some sort of deal to pay a% of the national sl

You might think I'm crazy but if Glanbia couldn't get milk in the morning there would be big trouble

Pressure is on coop to keep milk price over 32cpl

Dead on, last thing needed is collapse. My post in DFG on same lines

stanflt

darragh_haven wrote: »

But most farmers that continue to milk wont dump milk and hope for the best. And the processor will continue to get his raw material regardless.

Its a bit like the beef factories.... they'll get their animals regardless of price because you'll never get any sort of majority of farmers to agree to hold back the animals when they are fit

As I mentioned this won't happen if it's going to happen till march- when there is no end in sight and the coop is actually over quota

RightTurnClyde

Even at 27 or 28 in March, farmers will still won't dump, at that point it may be worth the gamble on on a small percentage that Phil will sort something out.

Timmaay

How much is a litre of milk worth in terms of P K and N? I'd say it's like rocket fuel for grass?

mf240

Timmaay wrote: »

How much is a litre of milk worth in terms of P K and N? I'd say it's like rocket fuel for grass?

Ah here.

RightTurnClyde

Timmaay wrote: »

How much is a litre of milk worth in terms of P K and N? I'd say it's like rocket fuel for grass?

:)
If you spread it in Dec or Jan, would it be counted as soiled water or slurry?:D

keep going

personally i think there will be an amnesty after april 1 but i dont think it will be announced before then.that said i wouldnt bet my house on it but i am prepared to risk less than 10% of my quota due to my circumstances and i think it will be set amount per supplier rather than percentage over the country.do ye think its possible to hold the last 3 days milk for everyone both over and under quota or will fellas insist on their milk being collected because they are under quota. ithink but im open to correction that it would mean 2 %to the couintry.if there was any price change in the month those under would have to be compensated

stanflt

We as farmers should force the coops to give their march price in February also

frazzledhome

stanflt wrote: »

We as farmers should force the coops to give their march price in February also

Don't understand, do you mean pay in advance or quote price in Feb?

5live

keep going wrote: »

personally i think there will be an amnesty after april 1 but i dont think it will be announced before then.that said i wouldnt bet my house on it but i am prepared to risk less than 10% of my quota due to my circumstances and i think it will be set amount per supplier rather than percentage over the country.do ye think its possible to hold the last 3 days milk for everyone both over and under quota or will fellas insist on their milk being collected because they are under quota. ithink but im open to correction that it would mean 2 %to the couintry.if there was any price change in the month those under would have to be compensated

Why should someone on or under quota stop sending their milk to facilitate someone who is gambling on there being no superlevy? I will be on quota on 31st March and have no intention, none whatever, of holding back milk.