The Time has surely come??

GreeBo

Milkers wrote: »

Increased driver head size with trampoline faces and lightweight shafts have also contributed heavily I would say.

Its been shown again and again that its the ball.
Current pro can use persimmon clubs and hit it pretty much the same as they do with modern clubs. (The new clubs help greatly with off centre/mis hits though)

Give them an old ball and its a different story.

TheDoc wrote: »

I don't understand what you mean.

If we took it as a flat percentage which you are making it out to be ( I see your other post about ratios, but not sure that makes sense to me either)

Player A hits the ball 300 yards
PLayer B hits the ball 280 yards

When you remove the 10% distance it's still roughly the same distance between the two, with player a having circa 20 yards advantage.

I know there is A LOT of mitigating factors, ball strike, flight, all the stuff that determines if a player is actually getting the advantage from the technology, but if we are to keep it simple probably makes sense to talk flat percentages or figures.

Because it's argueable that the distance gain between player a and b, could be solely down to ability, swing and ball striking, and nothing to do with technology.

The problem we run into here is every golfer is different in terms of swing, physical build and all that stuff. Like I know my extra distance comes from the fact I've big shoulders, and hit a draw, and not because I have a great ball strike.

Taking your argument that its down to individual ability, whats the problem with both players having to use a ball that is, say, 10% shorter than the current ball? All your points still stand, A still hits it further than B, the difference is the actual distance the ball travels.

300 -> 270
250 -> 225
So the difference in ball traveled distance is now 45yards instead of being 50.
Player A still has the same length advantage over player B, it just means the course now has some defence.

TheDoc

Yah I get your point above, I made it in regards to your comment that it brings long hitters back to short ones, but it doesn't really.

Although I get what you mean if your talking about the course itself.

In reality it would probably have **** all impact to me, but I could see it having adverse impacts to shorter hitters having to use clubs like 4irons and woods, when normally they wouldn't.

FixdePitchmark

TheDoc wrote: »

Yah I get your point above, I made it in regards to your comment that it brings long hitters back to short ones, but it doesn't really.

Although I get what you mean if your talking about the course itself.

In reality it would probably have **** all impact to me, but I could see it having adverse impacts to shorter hitters having to use clubs like 4irons and woods, when normally they wouldn't.

It would have a bigger impact on you if velocity was reduced. = 1/2 mv^2

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

Yah I get your point above, I made it in regards to your comment that it brings long hitters back to short ones, but it doesn't really.

Although I get what you mean if your talking about the course itself.

In reality it would probably have **** all impact to me, but I could see it having adverse impacts to shorter hitters having to use clubs like 4irons and woods, when normally they wouldn't.

It does bring them back though, he was 50 yards behind, now he is 45.
If it was a 20% reduction then it would be less again.

Senna

Average drive on the PGA is 288 yards, 10 years ago it was 277, 10 years before that 266 yards (give or take). Anything over 300 is more about conditions than equipment.
There is no problem with the game and Rorys drive is not an example of equipment advances ruining the game.

If we look to retard development based on pro's game, then we should look at some of them hitting a 5 wood to 3ft, that's much more impressive. Maybe we should put wee windmills on the greens and have them putt through them to the hole.

soundsham

Playing driver 4i into the wind today for most guys !!
Enough said for me anyway

Meaning if the ball was altered only the few could get there

Luiten has 211 left playing about 230
Rory on tee in 5 mins

GreeBo

soundsham wrote: »

Playing driver 4i into the wind today for most guys !!
Enough said for me anyway

Meaning if the ball was altered only the few could get there

Luiten has 211 left playing about 230
Rory on tee in 5 mins

I dont see why its "enough said" just becuase its playing longer today?
do you think anyone would have driven it 15 years ago under the same conditions as rory yesterday?


Whats wrong with not being able to reach a par 4 in two if its into the wind....nothing abnormal about that. The abnormal bit is guys driving it over 350 yards...regularly.

soundsham

I don't know if conditions were right 15 years ago maybe John Daly would have drove it
Vijay Freddie Davis Love

There were big hitters in every era

GreeBo

soundsham wrote: »

I don't know if conditions were right 15 years ago maybe John Daly would have drove it
Vijay Freddie Davis Love

There were big hitters in every era

Longest Drives

2014 397 Simpson
2010 424 Stricker
2005 442 DA Points
2001 409 Martin
2000 305 Duval
1995 315 Daly


ProV1 was launched end of season 2000...

Montgolfier

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/News/2013/May/Drive-Distance.aspx

Driving distance has increased 3 yds since 1996

agusta

GreeBo wrote: »

Its been shown again and again that its the ball.
Current pro can use persimmon clubs and hit it pretty much the same as they do with modern clubs. (The new clubs help greatly with off centre/mis hits though)

Give them an old ball and its a different story.



Taking your argument that its down to individual ability, whats the problem with both players having to use a ball that is, say, 10% shorter than the current ball? All your points still stand, A still hits it further than B, the difference is the actual distance the ball travels.

300 -> 270
250 -> 225
So the difference in ball traveled distance is now 45yards instead of being 50.
Player A still has the same length advantage over player B, it just means the course now has some defence.

Are you talking about a persimmon driver head with a modern technology shaft or a persimmon driver with its original shaft.The modern shaft is was actually increased club speed at impact