Mayweather v Maidana 2

gene_tunney

YAWN. Didn't bother to watch this one, wasn't much point. MM's initial effort didn't deserve a rematch. People never learn.

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RayK0309

I liked the Showtime analysis of the fight. During and after anyway. Something about MW response about Pac made it seem to me a lil more positive than usual.Maybe it was just the beer.

Classicporter

Floyd was unusually subdued during the build up and the post fight interviews. Wonder what's going on in his head.

amkin25

The usual boring Floyd fight wasn't it though,personally i think this is part of the reason for decline in boxing popularity,while he clearly won the fight,when did this type of fighting become popular where the fight is spent holding running and the emphasis being on defense,terrible to watch imo.

seamey beag84

Wasn't impressed in the slightest with that fight. And these are supposedly two of the best. I know Mayweather will never be the boxer he was but finishing the fight with that last round. One punch thrown in a whole round. Biggest anticlimax to a fight. He clearly had the fight won but the excitment of watching him is long gone. Manny is the only other fighter i want him to take on at this stage and at least he hinted to it actually going ahead. Fingers crossed. two bad they're both well past their prime.

Classicporter

Mayweather is probably one of the best 37 year old boxers ever to compete in the sport. At his peak he is also one of the greatest, but it's quite clear he has declined considerably in the last 5 years or so. I'd actually have Golovkin as the number 1p4p in boxing right now.

seamey beag84

I know, and he was right not risking getting knocked in the last but from just the watching point of view, it was a terrible finish to a bad fight. I'm sure he doesn't care less tho. The ref is partly to blame aswell. I won't be pushed to watch the next mayweather fight.

Talib Fiasco

Classicporter wrote: »

Mayweather is probably one of the best 37 year old boxers ever to compete in the sport. At his peak he is also one of the greatest, but it's quite clear he has declined considerably in the last 5 years or so. I'd actually have Golovkin as the number 1p4p in boxing right now.

If GGG beat Ward he'd still be a bit away from P4P number one in my opinion nevermind right now.

RayK0309

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

If GGG beat Ward he'd still be a bit away from P4P number one in my opinion nevermind right now.

If he did he'd be a humble undefeated fan-friendly title-holding ko artist?He'd have to be close to it.Very close

amkin25

seamey beag84 wrote: »

I know, and he was right not risking getting knocked in the last but from just the watching point of view, it was a terrible finish to a bad fight. I'm sure he doesn't care less tho. The ref is partly to blame aswell. I won't be pushed to watch the next mayweather fight.

Yeah it was terrible and in fairness over the years Floyds fights have become worse and worse,he had a couple of decent performances earlier in his career the Gatti one being the standout one for me.

But i didn't get enticed to pay for this one,Maidana was terrible here absolutely terrible,and never warranted a rematch in the first place,the crazy thing was how they managed to sell this terrible match up.

walshb

Very tame and uninteresting fight. Jesus, Mayweather really is scared of getting hit. He's just so negative. I credit his defense and skills and movement, but as usual you come away from his fights feeling cheated. And I do believe that Chino bit him. Mayweather played it up, but still, what a scummy act from Chino.

Classicporter

pac_man wrote: »

Who has GGG fought to warrant number 1 p4p? Declined considerably is probably a bit sensationalist, did you have that opinion after the Canelo fight?

I did think he was considerably past his best after that fight, he didn't need to be close to his best, Canelo was that bad.

Who has Mayweather fought, who has Klitschko fought, who has Ward fought?

RayK0309

A third of every report is about the bad refereeing and clinches from TBE. MW didn't surprise anyone last night. Thank god I didn't have to pay for that. Disappointed with Maidana.I thought he'd pile on the pressure at least. Couldn't care less about the bite. The only real shock of the night was Bayless who, as someone on here pointed out very early on, was just far too involved and maybe the Showtime lads were somewhat biased but they definitely pointed it out afterwards and concluded that the ref didn't allow Maidana to fight his fight.

Chrissybhoy

amkin25 wrote: »

The usual boring Floyd fight wasn't it though,personally i think this is part of the reason for decline in boxing popularity,while he clearly won the fight,when did this type of fighting become popular where the fight is spent holding running and the emphasis being on defense,terrible to watch imo.

What about the skill that Mayweather brings to fold do you appreciate that? If u want to see two lads stand and swing aimlessly stand outside a nightclub on a sat night

gene_tunney

pac_man wrote: »

If you watched the fight you'd realise it wasn't a repeat performance.

...because Mayweather won even more clearly and thus proved no rematch necessary

walshb

BTW, Floyd's ring entourage are the biggest tits in pro sports.

Classicporter

walshb wrote: »

BTW, Floyd's ring entourage are the biggest tits in pro sports.

Did they do something in particular?

theballz

I've followed Floyd his whole career and I have to say after watching him last night I think he needs to hang them up shortly.

I think they need to be careful who they pick for his last two fights.

He is still sharp and fast when he lets his hands go, but he does get hit much more often now it seems. Not always flush, but Maidana was getting many little pieces of him all night.

Maidana's jab was on point when he threw it. If he would have doubled up on it and then came in he could have had a lot more success. If Floyd fights someone with a good jab from this point on he might be in a lot of trouble. His defensive reflexes have slowed down.

Halloween Jack

theballz wrote: »

I've followed Floyd his whole career and I have to say after watching him last night I think he needs to hang them up shortly.

I think they need to be careful who they pick for his last two fights.

He is still sharp and fast when he lets his hands go, but he does get hit much more often now it seems. Not always flush, but Maidana was getting many little pieces of him all night.

Maidana's jab was on point when he threw it. If he would have doubled up on it and then came in he could have had a lot more success. If Floyd fights someone with a good jab from this point on he might be in a lot of trouble. His defensive reflexes have slowed down.

I'd go along with a lot of that, he also seemed like he was feeling the pace more than he usually does.

Even though he hasn't really been in wars he still has a lot of miles on the clock. I imagine he'll be very carefully matched for the remainder of his career, which I would imagine will lead to a couple more hollow fights against b level opponents, which is a shame.

Chrissybhoy

theballz wrote: »

I've followed Floyd his whole career and I have to say after watching him last night I think he needs to hang them up shortly.

I think they need to be careful who they pick for his last two fights.

He is still sharp and fast when he lets his hands go, but he does get hit much more often now it seems. Not always flush, but Maidana was getting many little pieces of him all night.

Maidana's jab was on point when he threw it. If he would have doubled up on it and then came in he could have had a lot more success. If Floyd fights someone with a good jab from this point on he might be in a lot of trouble. His defensive reflexes have slowed down.

To be fair he always struggled with a fighter with a good jab Oscar de La Hoya and Castillo gave him trouble with a good jab

RayK0309

pac_man wrote: »

He's always had issues with someone with a decent jab. Despite Maidana's relative success with the jab, Floyd was still landing with the pull counter.

I thought he looked good (what do I know?) Thought he schooled Maidana like he should've in the first fight.i don't disagree with the way he fights at all...it's who he fights. I like how the post fight interviewer (Jim Gray?) asked him straight out on who he should be fighting. Only the Canelo fight so far has had a good return.a v good retun.

Chrissybhoy

RayK0309 wrote: »

I thought he looked good (what do I know?) Thought he schooled Maidana like he should've in the first fight.i don't disagree with the way he fights at all...it's who he fights. I like how the post fight interviewer (Jim Gray?) asked him straight out on who he should be fighting. Only the Canelo fight so far has had a good return.a v good retun.

Agree 100% with you

Chrissybhoy

Well look next fight he'll surely fight Cotto Kahn or Manny. But there will be people still making excuses some people just can't and hate to give him credit

RayK0309

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well look next fight he'll surely fight Cotto Kahn or Manny. But there will be people still making excuses some people just can't and hate to give him credit

I haven't a clue about the business side of things but $32 million guarantee last night.Showtime will be wanting a solid name next time round. I think Khan and then Cotto/Alvarez.Khan with his speed may make things a little interesting.But I hope to **** in the business men come knockin and demand Pacquiao. Post-fight I didn't hear anything about PED's or Promoters.Which was reassuring.I'm deluded prolly.

amkin25

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well look next fight he'll surely fight Cotto Kahn or Manny. But there will be people still making excuses some people just can't and hate to give him credit

I would give him credit for maximizing his earning capacity without taking much damage throughout his career for sure,and who can blame him if he can get people to pay to watch him not entertain or finish fights then all credit to him.

I wouldn't fault him for this at all,look at Manny who looks a bit like someone who took too many punches,speech possibly slurred a bit,Floyd looks relatively fresh for his age,why should anyone risk their future well being specially when hes already minted,so credit to him for this.

But on an overall scale of greats he doesn't rank on any list for me,because he dodged all the best in their prime and rarely entertained or finished fights,against someone like Manny who might be punch drunk by now and have less money,but he took on all comers and entertained and finished fights like all the greats did.

theballz

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

To be fair he always struggled with a fighter with a good jab Oscar de La Hoya and Castillo gave him trouble with a good jab

Very true but the difference is Oscar for most of his career always had a decent jab. Maidana on the other hand?

The signs are there.

He's getting hit with shots that he never used to, he takes more time off in rounds and he doesn't look in complete control anymore.

He still flashes moments of the old Mayweather, but he's spending as much time looking like an old Mayweather.

walshb

Classicporter wrote: »

Did they do something in particular?

No, just being themselves.

RayK0309

Nice to hear your opinions.One final thought.I want Chris Algieri to look like that dude from the Goonies post fight on Nov 22nd and if it doesn't happen in 2015 then absolutely screw both of them!

Chrissybhoy

amkin25 wrote: »

I would give him credit for maximizing his earning capacity without taking much damage throughout his career for sure,and who can blame him if he can get people to pay to watch him not entertain or finish fights then all credit to him.

I wouldn't fault him for this at all,look at Manny who looks a bit like someone who took too many punches,speech possibly slurred a bit,Floyd looks relatively fresh for his age,why should anyone risk their future well being specially when hes already minted,so credit to him for this.

But on an overall scale of greats he doesn't rank on any list for me,because he dodged all the best in their prime and rarely entertained or finished fights,against someone like Manny who might be punch drunk by now and have less money,but he took on all comers and entertained and finished fights like all the greats did.

I'd argue for him to be up there he has fought some very good fighters and made them look ordinary because his skill level is way ahead. There is no right way to win a fight you get the win to the best of your skills. He may not be as entertaining as other greats before but as I said he makes very good fighters look ordinary which says a lot. Reaching 47 undefeated in boxing is some achievement

Chrissybhoy

RayK0309 wrote: »

Nice to hear your opinions.One final thought.I want Chris Algieri to look like that dude from the Goonies post fight on Nov 22nd and if it doesn't happen in 2015 then absolutely screw both of them!

I hope Manny batters him to really put pressure on Floyd to take the fight. If Manny really wants the fight himself he should go out and put on a real show and try get this fight made once and for all. Even tho a few years later than we would of liked

eeepaulo

Far far far too much holding from mayweather.

I did not notice one single word to mayweather.

In the 8th after mayweather landed i heard bayliss say no holding.

Henno30

theballz wrote: »

Very true but the difference is Oscar for most of his career always had a decent jab. Maidana on the other hand?

The signs are there.

He's getting hit with shots that he never used to, he takes more time off in rounds and he doesn't look in complete control anymore.

He still flashes moments of the old Mayweather, but he's spending as much time looking like an old Mayweather.

Big time. Just look at this clip. Marcos Maidana of all people baiting Floyd's pull counter and catching him flush with a counter of his own. Would have been imaginable a few years ago.

One of these days, someone's going to catch him with a shot like this that his legs won't recover from. He'll fall on the wrong side of that fine line.

Chrissybhoy

He got caught with big shots before Mosley landed with a massive shot Cotto caught him. Another thing he doesn't get credit for is his chin.

Henno30

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

He got caught with big shots before Mosley landed with a massive shot Cotto caught him. Another thing he doesn't get credit for is his chin.

There's a big difference between Shane Mosley catching him and Marcos Maidana countering him like that.

Chrissybhoy

Henno30 wrote: »

There's a big difference between Shane Mosley catching him and Marcos Maidana countering him like that.

You said in your post catch him with a shot like this. He's been caught with bigger shots

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Big time. Just look at this clip. Marcos Maidana of all people baiting Floyd's pull counter and catching him flush with a counter of his own. Would have been imaginable a few years ago.

The shot was just timing. Maidana threw (whilst moving forward) as Floyd threw. Could have happened anytime in Floyd's career.

Chrissybhoy

walshb wrote: »

The shot was just timing. Maidana threw (whilst moving forward) as Floyd threw. Could have happened anytime in Floyd's career.

If it was just timing and not much power then his legs won't need to recover as the post said they would. Anyway countering Floyd like that for 12 rounds we will have to worry even tho I don't think it will ever happen

Kev M

Few uneducated thoughts after watching the fight. Positive and negative.

First off it was a clear win for Floyd, he did what Floyd Snr. said he was going to do and he did it quite well.

Floyd looked worn out. I mean he was still far superior to everyone else in terms of his movement and the way he bounces around the ring, but compared to his usual self he just looked sluggish to me. He actually looked and sounded tired after the fight, which I think is a first.

Floyd has a steel chin. The counter right at the end of the round would have put 99% of the pro ranks to sleep. I think it hurt him badly and he took the next round off to basically recover.

Maidana was having way too much success with the jab. This is crazy because in other fights I remember his corner telling him not to throw it because it's too slow!! His countering was very good considering it's Mayweather he's fighting. He even pulled Floyd's straight right a few times which for Maidana is almost unimaginable, so he and Robert Garcia deserve credit for that.

I think Mayweather should be on the shortlist for greatest ever. How many fighters have made it to 37 years old undefeated taking on the best up and comers, who are bigger and stronger. Sugar Ray Leonard was well finished, Ali too, I can't think of anyone.. And the 'he dodged all the best guys in their prime' doesn't really float with me. I mean a lot of people thought Canelo was the guy to beat him, the Maidana rematch was demanded straight after the first fight and he gave it, he beat a prime Cotto, you could go on all day.

But I'd agree with an earlier post in the thread, that Floyd should hang it up soon. Weighing up how much you're declining versus how good the other guys are is a dangerous game!

HigginsJ

Henno30 wrote: »

Big time. Just look at this clip. Marcos Maidana of all people baiting Floyd's pull counter and catching him flush with a counter of his own. Would have been imaginable a few years ago.

One of these days, someone's going to catch him with a shot like this that his legs won't recover from. He'll fall on the wrong side of that fine line.

Wasn't able to watch the fight last night but why did the ref seem to step in here?

eeepaulo

HigginsJ wrote: »

Wasn't able to watch the fight last night but why did the ref seem to step in here?

That one was on the bell.

Spazdarn

Floyd has fought a lot of great fighters in his career but they were all fighters he knew he would beat before he stepped in the ring with them. There have been plenty of fighters he's dodged, that he'd obviously still beat but he won't take any kind of risk. Paul Williams, Margarito, and Manny stand out.

Talib Fiasco

I'm 100% certain that Paul Williams would have beaten Floyd. It was just his style and stature. I think prime vs prime it's a toss up between him and Pac. I think he would have beaten Margarito handily enough.

FTA69

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I'm 100% certain that Paul Williams would have beaten Floyd. It was just his style and stature. I think prime vs prime it's a toss up between him and Pac. I think he would have beaten Margarito handily enough.

I think Paul Williams would have been a huge test for Floyd but you could never be certain he'd beat him. Mayweather fought a tall and awkward fighter in Corales and he beat him handily enough.

RayK0309

It's so difficult to tell really but...Margarito (slow as he was) Williams and Cotto of circa 2006/7/8 all would've all given MW hell and there's just no way to defend that holiday in his career. I 100% admire the way he fights 'hit and not get hit' but I get sold down the river every time thinkin 'this is the guy who'll givem a test' in reality it's all just the pre-fight hype. The only reason why the first fight was so good is that for Maidana he didn't rrreeeally know what he was up against bar the record and so he just went and did his **** and I think MW..obviously knew the 2nd time round what to expect except parts of it was Maidana tried to pace himself some more and Bayless obstructed him form tryin to revert to his usual fightin style when he tried..

RayK0309

walshb wrote: »

The shot was just timing. Maidana threw (whilst moving forward) as Floyd threw. Could have happened anytime in Floyd's career.

Have to agree.pple are seeing all these things and in fairness maybe he has lost a bit of leg movement but look at his last few fights (and please correct me on this) but did any of his foes show anything that would suggest he'd have to use his footwork? The guy is just brilliant at what he does when he's pickin his foes.Who was the fastest?...Mosley?

SHOVELLER

Watched this in a bar here that had no cover with the downside being it was like watching tv with the sound off in a nightclub!

Anyway no surprises really with Moneyweather the winner on so many levels. As he rightly says people pay him to watch him no matter what. Game was up when Maidana didnt know where to go at the end of 9.

47-0 as a 37 year old is phenomenal going. He has 2 more fights with Showtime next May and September. I dont know about him saying he's done then. The magical, mythical 50-0 will be more than likely be on this time next year and he knows that the Pacquiao fight could be the richest event in boxing history. A half a billion dollar fight is hard to ignore.

Chrissybhoy

Maidana in the post press conference again saying he thought he won the fight. Giving no respect to Mayweather as a fighter. As bad as Mayweather is he is gracious in victory always compliments his opponent and points out what they did well in a fight.

walshb

Who does Floyd fight next if you remove Khan and Pacman? I can't think of any real star names at 140-147 lbs

Chrissybhoy

walshb wrote: »

Who does Floyd fight next if you remove Khan and Pacman? I can't think of any real star names at 140-147 lbs

At that weight Danny Garcia has a shout I suppose.

walshb

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

At that weight Danny Garcia has a shout I suppose.

Not sure that fight is a runner. Garcia would need to move up 7 lbs. I think Garcia is happy where he is at. Other than a KO shot from Danny I see him getting soundly beaten.

I'd like to see Pac or Provodnikov in with Floyd.