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Best players to have played in the premiership?

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  • #102
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Including yourself so there's not much point in bringing it up.

    Possibly not half as much as a lot of the wind up merchants from all teams on here though. I am capable of giving an opinion without letting club bias get in the way a lot of people aren't.


  • #103
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Possibly not half as much as a lot of the wind up merchants from all teams on here though. I am capable of giving an opinion without letting club bias get in the way a lot of people aren't.

    Meh, that thread you started yesterday and the criteria you used was to shoehorn Suarez in?
    Who would pick a greatest Premier League team ever based on the best single season only?


  • #104
    EuropeanSon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭EuropeanSon


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Possibly not half as much as a lot of the wind up merchants from all teams on here though. I am capable of giving an opinion without letting club bias get in the way a lot of people aren't.

    This is the problem. Every eejit thinks this.

    I am fully aware that my opinions are going to be Arsenal biased. This is primarily because most of the game I watch are Arsenal games, so I'm more familiar with Arsenal players, and see them do more impressive things, so I am more likely to rate them highly as a result.


  • #105
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Meh, that thread you started yesterday and the criteria you used was to shoehorn Suarez in?
    Who would pick a greatest Premier League team ever best on 1 season?

    The criteria for this thread is even more vague. Some people could argue suarez was the best player in the league the previous season as well but certainly over the past 2 seasons overall he has been the best player in the league. So I picked 1 Liverpool player in a best eleven and 4 or 5 utd players and that makes me biased. Why did I not fit in Gerrard or alonso so it's because I can form a football opinion without having the blinkers on.Did it ever dawn on you that maybe I just think that suarez is a special player. If we want to take about interpreting a thread title to suit your needs it's your Juan mata signing of the season interpretation that sticks out. By the way I also defended people picking utd top heavy teams in that thread as well .


  • #106
    Larry Wildman
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    It has to be Ronaldo.

    There are other candidates (e.g. Henry) but Ronaldo's the greatest player to have played in the Premiership.


  • #107
    Iused2likebusts
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    EuropeanSon wrote: »
    This is the problem. Every eejit thinks this.

    I am fully aware that my opinions are going to be Arsenal biased. This is primarily because most of the game I watch are Arsenal games, so I'm more familiar with Arsenal players, and see them do more impressive things, so I am more likely to rate them highly as a result.

    I'm also aware of this its human nature but some people are so obviously blinded by their club colours it's laughable.


  • #108
    8-10
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    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Was he pre premiership?!!

    Yes, he played in the premiership but obviously he played pre-premiership too! Unbelievable player


  • #109
    Andersonisgod
    Registered Users Posts: 8,868 ✭✭✭Andersonisgod


    The case for Drogba. Arriving at Chelsea on the back of one prolific season for Marseille, 24 million pounds seemed quite steep for a 27 year old striker with only one outstanding goalscoring season under his belt. His signing proved to be decisive in the most successful period in the history of Chelsea FC.

    His scoring record, though relatively impressive, only tells half the story. Never has there been a lone striker more complete than the Ivorian. A powerhouse, with real speed across the ground, a remarkable knack for winning headers, silky technique that defied his "monster" billing and with a taste for the extravagant on the biggest stages, around Drogba each Chelsea manager built their sides.

    The great man was pure box office, jaw-dropping skill blended with raw physicality, Hollywood charisma and the enduring sense that each game would end either on the back of a moment of Drogba magic or a Drogba sized implosion. He is, in my opinion, Chelsea's greatest ever player, the man who delivered the holy grail and much silverware with it, the best lone striker you could ever hope to find and the best player to ever play in the Premier League.


  • #110
    Larry Wildman
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    Drogba was fantastic but he's no Cristiano Ronaldo.


  • #111
    Y2KBOS86
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    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    It has to be Ronaldo.

    There are other candidates (e.g. Henry) but Ronaldo's the greatest player to have played in the Premiership.

    It's been those two.

    They are miles ahead of everyone that has played in the prem, Henry was the best striker in the world for 5 years straight and Ronaldo was tearing the league up in his last 2 years, sadly he left in his prime (23)

    They are both the blue print of the perfect modern day striker, they have all the physical gifts and are technically exceptional, they are both unique.

    Ronaldo can score every type of goal, while Henry is unmatched in terms of raw physical power and sheer pace, the man was a beast in his prime, as fast as any player that has ever played, while being 6'2 and as strong as any CB.

    Consistently scored goal 30 goals a season and made 15 assists in the prem.

    If he had went to Spain at 23 like Ronaldo he would have too been talked about as of the best ever, instead he went past his prime at 28/29.


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  • #112
    Larry Wildman
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    Y2KBOS86 wrote: »
    It's been those two.

    They are miles ahead of everyone that has played in the prem, Henry was the best striker in the world for 5 years straight and Ronaldo was tearing the league up in his last 2 years, sadly he left in his prime (23)

    They are both the blue print of the perfect modern day striker, they have all the physical gifts and are technically exceptional, they are both unique.

    Ronaldo can score every type of goal, while Henry is unmatched in terms of raw physical power and sheer pace, the man was a beast in his prime, as fast as any player that has ever played, while being 6'2 and as strong as any CB.

    Consistently scored goal 30 goals a season and made 15 assists in the prem.

    If he had went to Spain at 23 like Ronaldo he would have too been talked about as of the best ever, instead he went past his prime at 28/29.

    I agree.

    The fact that Ronaldo has won two Ballon D'Ors while Henry has won none makes sense though. He is just that little bit better.


  • #113
    Will I Amnt
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    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    The criteria for this thread is even more vague. Some people could argue suarez was the best player in the league the previous season as well but certainly over the past 2 seasons overall he has been the best player in the league. So I picked 1 Liverpool player in a best eleven and 4 or 5 utd players and that makes me biased. Why did I not fit in Gerrard or alonso so it's because I can form a football opinion without having the blinkers on.Did it ever dawn on you that maybe I just think that suarez is a special player. If we want to take about interpreting a thread title to suit your needs it's your Juan mata signing of the season interpretation that sticks out. By the way I also defended people picking utd top heavy teams in that thread as well .

    I'm not the one claiming to be unbiased at every opportunity, I'll hold my hand up and admit I am.


  • #114
    Zico
    Registered Users Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭Zico


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    I'm also aware of this its human nature but some people are so obviously blinded by their club colours it's laughable.

    You're worse than the most foaming mouthed one eyed fan, at least they have the courage of their conviction.

    You're pretending to be neutral with a passing affinity for Liverpool FC, but when the mask slips you just look foolish.


  • #115
    citytillidie
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    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Was he pre premiership?!!


    Played in old 1st division and Premier league

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  • #116
    8-10
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    citytillidie wrote: »
    Played in old 1st division and Premier league

    It's interesting how few of the names in this thread are English actually. Ask the same question about La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga in the same time-period and I reckon you'd a lot more home grown names

    Barnes definitely up there


  • #117
    citytillidie
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    8-10 wrote: »
    It's interesting how few of the names in this thread are English actually. Ask the same question about La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga in the same time-period and I reckon you'd a lot more home grown names

    Barnes definitely up there

    I think it is more people forgetting players who played in both football league old 1st division and premier league like Matt LeTissier and Beardsley

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  • #118
    Macavity.
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    Anyone who's mentioned Keane is seriously deluded, fantastic player however.

    For me, Ronaldo is number one, followed by Suarez, Shearer, Henry and Scholes (not in that order).


  • #119
    Will I Amnt
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    Macavity. wrote: »
    Anyone who's mentioned Keane is seriously deluded, fantastic player however.

    For me, Ronaldo is number one, followed by Suarez, Shearer, Henry and Scholes.

    Anyone who mentions Suarez is seriously deluded. I can play that card too.


  • #120
    Macavity.
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    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Anyone who mentions Suarez is seriously deluded. I can play that card too.

    You can, but the difference is you would be wrong.


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  • #121
    Will I Amnt
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    Macavity. wrote: »
    You can, but the difference is you would be wrong.

    [Kenny C]At this particular moment in time,[Kenny C] Suarez hasn't done enough to be considered the greatest player to have played in the league. Maybe in a few years time if he continues the way he's going.
    Nothing too outlandish or wrong about that statement if you are to look at it objectively, like nobody on this site.


  • #122
    Iused2likebusts
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    Zico wrote: »
    You're worse than the most foaming mouthed one eyed fan, at least they have the courage of their conviction.

    You're pretending to be neutral with a passing affinity for Liverpool FC, but when the mask slips you just look foolish.

    What have I said in this thread that is so biased


  • #123
    Alfred Borden
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    Ronaldo, Henry and Bergkamp for me.


  • #124
    Mean Laqueefa
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    Not great at Chelsea but played premier league :/ sort funny criteria tbh .

    What about Didier Deschamps ?

    Former Juventus defensive midfielder Didier Deschamps won major club honours in three different countries during his lengthy career. Along with Ligue 1 and Serie A titles, he lifted the Champions League twice (once with Marseille, once with Juventus), an Intercontinental Cup, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Intertoto Cup, Coppa Italia and FA Cup (with Chelsea). Additionally, he picked up the World Cup and European Championship with France.


  • #125
    Magill
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    2 decent seasons in the premiership = Greatest ever.

    Shearer performed at Suarez's level for near 15 years fs... Didn't even have to bite any defenders while doing it either and has a league title to show for it. At best he's in the top 10 strikers to play in the premiership.


  • #126
    Fescue
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    Magill wrote: »
    2 decent seasons in the premiership = Greatest ever.

    Shearer performed at Suarez's level for near 15 years fs... Didn't even have to bite any defenders while doing it either and has a league title to show for it. At best he's in the top 10 strikers to play in the premiership.

    I thought the thread was about the best players to have played in the premiership?

    For instance George Weah played in the Premiership. George Weah was better than Shearer. So George Weah can be described as one of the best players to have played in the Premiership.

    If your talking about the Premierships greatest ever players then Shearer is way ahead of Weah.

    That's my understanding of it.


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  • #127
    Mean Laqueefa
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    For instance George Weah played in the Premiership. George Weah was better than Shearer. So George Weah can be described as one of the best players to have played in the Premiership.

    If your talking about the Premierships greatest ever players then Shearer is way ahead of Weah.

    That's my understanding of it.

    ^^This^^


  • #128
    Santi101
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    Henry was better than Ronaldo in the Premiership, when you look at their whole time here. No question about it.


  • #129
    Blatter
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    Andersonisgod wrote: »
    The case for Drogba. Arriving at Chelsea on the back of one prolific season for Marseille, 24 million pounds seemed quite steep for a 27 year old striker with only one outstanding goalscoring season under his belt. His signing proved to be decisive in the most successful period in the history of Chelsea FC.

    His scoring record, though relatively impressive, only tells half the story. Never has there been a lone striker more complete than the Ivorian. A powerhouse, with real speed across the ground, a remarkable knack for winning headers, silky technique that defied his "monster" billing and with a taste for the extravagant on the biggest stages, around Drogba each Chelsea manager built their sides.

    The great man was pure box office, jaw-dropping skill blended with raw physicality, Hollywood charisma and the enduring sense that each game would end either on the back of a moment of Drogba magic or a Drogba sized implosion. He is, in my opinion, Chelsea's greatest ever player, the man who delivered the holy grail and much silverware with it, the best lone striker you could ever hope to find and the best player to ever play in the Premier League.

    He was also fairly inconsistent.

    His first two seasons were fairly average.

    His third season was very good.

    He scored 13 league goals throughout his entire 4th and 5th seasons combined.

    He was great in his 6th season, by far his best.

    Then another 16 league goals throughout his 7th and 8th seasons (a glut of these came at the beginning of the 7th one)


    At his best, he was undoubtedly a great striker and his all round game was second to none. But he went through far too many spells of being average to be compared to Ronaldo, Henry etc.


  • #130
    Magill
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    Fescue wrote: »
    I thought the thread was about the best players to have played in the premiership?

    For instance George Weah played in the Premiership. George Weah was better than Shearer. So George Weah can be described as one of the best players to have played in the Premiership.

    If your talking about the Premierships greatest ever players then Shearer is way ahead of Weah.

    That's my understanding of it.

    I've never had the pleasure of watching George weah in his prime, so I can't really comment on shearer vs weah... Either way... My point still stands that shearer > Suarez. Suarez is a great player, but he's someone that is fresh in peoples minds. This time last year Rvp was the best striker in the world because of a couple of decent seasons. Shearer performed at that level for 15 years.

    Many in 6 years I'll change my mind, he has the potential no doubt.. Just hasn't reached that level of yet imo.

    Also, I don't even think shearer is the best striker to grace the premiership. That title belongs to Henry.


  • #131
    Talib Fiasco
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    If you're basing it just on time spent in the league, which everyone should, it's Henry without question...Shearer, Giggs and Bergkamp would be next for me


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  • #132
    Andersonisgod
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    Blatter wrote: »
    He was also fairly inconsistent.

    His first two seasons were fairly average.

    His third season was very good.

    He scored 13 league goals throughout his entire 4th and 5th seasons combined.

    He was great in his 6th season, by far his best.

    Then another 16 league goals throughout his 7th and 8th seasons (a glut of these came at the beginning of the 7th one)


    At his best, he was undoubtedly a great striker and his all round game was second to none. But he went through far too many spells of being average to be compared to Ronaldo, Henry etc.

    As I said, it's remarkably unfair to measure his contributions purely on goals, there is no Chelsea fan who would measure what he has done for Chelsea based on his goalscoring record. He was a massive figure for the club, key in turning the club from being nearly fans with newly acquired money to being a winning machine with he as the figurehead.

    Suarez is an incredible talent but his inclusion in this thread is preposterous. Last season he was outstanding and earned his move to Barcelona but he has neither the longevity or the trophy haul to warrant inclusion.


  • #133
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #134
    Zico
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    I never understood the fuss about George Weah. He was spectacular but totally unreliable. He played a lot like Mario Balotelli, without make an ass of himself in public, and I think most teams at the time would have signed Shearer over Weah given the chance.

    Shearer kinda ****ed himself by signing for Newcastle Utd.


  • #135
    Skylinehead
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    Andersonisgod wrote: »
    As I said, it's remarkably unfair to measure his contributions purely on goals, there is no Chelsea fan who would measure what he has done for Chelsea based on his goalscoring record.
    He was a striker first and foremost, so it's completely fair to measure him on goals.
    He was a massive figure for the club, key in turning the club from being nearly fans with newly acquired money to being a winning machine with he as the figurehead.
    This is just vague nonsense. How was he actually better than the far better at goalscoring van Nistelrooy, who didn't have a bad season at United and won plenty while he was at it?


  • #136
    Iused2likebusts
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    Magill wrote: »
    2 decent seasons in the premiership = Greatest ever.

    Shearer performed at Suarez's level for near 15 years fs... Didn't even have to bite any defenders while doing it either and has a league title to show for it. At best he's in the top 10 strikers to play in the premiership.

    Have read back through the thread one poster suggested suarez is the best player to have played in the premiership he also referenced Clint dempsey. Some posters have listed suarez as one of the better players to have played in the league an opinion I'd share ronaldo and Henry the best for me. Some posters have great issue with this and say suarez should be nowhere near the discussion although he seems to be the main player amongst a lot of players mentioned getting this treatment.


  • #137
    niallo27
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    Magill wrote: »
    2 decent seasons in the premiership = Greatest ever.

    Shearer performed at Suarez's level for near 15 years fs... Didn't even have to bite any defenders while doing it either and has a league title to show for it. At best he's in the top 10 strikers to play in the premiership.

    You think scoring 30 league goals is only having a decent season. What would it take for a great season. 40 or 50 goals.


  • #138
    LeBash
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    McGrath only got one mention in the whole thread so far.

    Shocking


  • #139
    Larry Wildman
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    LeBash wrote: »
    McGrath only got one mention in the whole thread so far.

    Shocking

    This again?

    FFS


  • #140
    Zico
    Registered Users Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭Zico


    niallo27 wrote: »
    You think scoring 30 league goals is only having a decent season. What would it take for a great season. 40 or 50 goals.

    Andy Cole got 34 for Newcastle and Kevin Phillips got 30 for Sunderland, but I'd be happy enough to include Suarez in that bracket of player.

    I feel sorry for Michael Owen. He was the best player in world, according to Liverpool fans, once now he doesn't even get a mention. That's the fickle world of football fans, Suarez will be forgotten too when the next shiny thing comes along.


  • #141
    super_furry
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    Bergkamp's the best of them all for me.


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  • #142
    Larry Wildman
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    The title of the thread is "Best players to have played in the Premiership".

    George Weah is therefore a good shout.

    Ronaldo's definitely numero uno though.


  • #143
    Will I Amnt
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    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Have read back through the thread one poster suggested suarez is the best player to have played in the premiership he also referenced Clint dempsey

    First page of the thread has a post claiming Suarez as the best player to have ever played in the league.

    The difference with every other player mentioned in this thread is that they all played at the top level for many years. Suarez has 3 full seasons in what's considered a top league.
    That goes against him massively in the argument.


  • #144
    Iused2likebusts
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    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    First page of the thread has a post claiming Suarez as the best player to have ever played in the league.

    The difference with every other player mentioned in this thread is that they all played at the top level for many years. Suarez has 3 full seasons in what's considered a top league.
    That goes against him massively in the argument.
    That poster quoted 3 players he never said suarez was the best player. Another poster above that mentioned shay given and nobody batted an eyelid.


  • #145
    Will I Amnt
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    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    That poster quoted 3 players he never said suarez was the best player
    passatman86 wrote: »
    Liverpool fan here

    Players I liked to watch -

    Zola
    Shearer
    Gerrard
    Giggs
    Scholes
    Schmeichel
    Terry
    Bergkamp
    Henry
    Lampard

    And big names that failed imo. .

    Schevchenko
    Hernan crespo

    Best ever - controversial but id say luis suarez but I would be biased

    ???

    At least he admits his bias ;)


  • #146
    [Deleted User]
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    Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo and Suarez


  • #147
    Iused2likebusts
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    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    ???

    At least he admits his bias ;)

    On my phone that was coming up on my second page and I missed it so okay 1 person and turtyturd has said best player


  • #148
    K-9
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    Andersonisgod wrote: »
    As I said, it's remarkably unfair to measure his contributions purely on goals, there is no Chelsea fan who would measure what he has done for Chelsea based on his goalscoring record. He was a massive figure for the club, key in turning the club from being nearly fans with newly acquired money to being a winning machine with he as the figurehead.

    Suarez is an incredible talent but his inclusion in this thread is preposterous. Last season he was outstanding and earned his move to Barcelona but he has neither the longevity or the trophy haul to warrant inclusion.

    Tbh going on your criteria it could well be argued Suarez is better.

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  • #149
    Larry Wildman
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    Van Nistelrooy wouldn't be a bad shout in preference to Suarez. At least as many goals a season but for a longer period with more silverware and no controversy.


  • #150
    Rayne Wooney
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    Mentioning Suarez is this thread is hilariously deluded, one good season syndrome is hitting Liverpool fans hard

    Best players to have ever played in the PL?

    Bergkamp, Henry, Scholes, Cantona, Lampard, Gerrard, JT, Ferdinand to name a few. Best of them all is the current best player in the world, Ronaldo, was special at such a young age.


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  • #151
    Soft Falling Rain
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    Magill wrote: »
    2 decent seasons in the premiership = Greatest ever.

    Shearer performed at Suarez's level for near 15 years fs... Didn't even have to bite any defenders while doing it either and has a league title to show for it. At best he's in the top 10 strikers to play in the premiership.

    Didn't have to bite anyone, just throw the regular elbow and the occasional boot in the face.


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