Best players to have played in the premiership?

Soft Falling Rain

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mentioning Suarez is this thread is hilariously deluded, one good season syndrome is hitting Liverpool fans hard

Best players to have ever played in the PL?

Bergkamp, Henry, Scholes, Cantona, Lampard, Gerrard, JT, Ferdinand to name a few. Best of them all is the current best player in the world, Ronaldo, was special at such a young age.

Except that it wasn't one good season. He hit the ground running and just got better.

Macavity.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mentioning Suarez is this thread is hilariously deluded, one good season syndrome is hitting Liverpool fans hard

One good season? Do you follow football, lad? His stats speak for themselves. Even before he joined Liverpool he had quite a record.

Fescue

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mentioning Suarez is this thread is hilariously deluded, one good season syndrome is hitting Liverpool fans hard

Best players to have ever played in the PL?

Bergkamp, Henry, Scholes, Cantona, Lampard, Gerrard, JT, Ferdinand to name a few. Best of them all is the current best player in the world, Ronaldo, was special at such a young age.

So a guy who is the 3rd most expensive signing in the history of football can't be considered amongst the best players to have played in the Premiership?

Larry Wildman

Fescue wrote: »

So a guy who is the 3rd most expensive signing in the history of football can't be considered amongst the best players to have played in the Premiership?

He'd be part of the discussion but nowhere near the top in my view.

The racism and cannabilism can't be ignored either...they colour things.

thelad95

To answer the odd Q in the OP, Samuel Eto'o has to be mentioned. He was largely awful for Chelsea though.

Fescue

Larry Wildman wrote: »

He'd be part of the discussion but nowhere near the top in my view.

The racism and cannabilism can't be ignored either...they colour things.

I'm not a big fan of Suarez behaviour, not in the slightest.

But as an actual footballer, judged on his ability, he's one of the best to have played in the Premiership. Isn't that what this thread is about? If its a lifetime achievement award give it to Giggs and be done with the discussion.

Rayne Wooney

Van Nistelrooy has far more of a case to be mentioned in this thread, and is far ahead of Suarez

long range shooter

bucketybuck wrote: »

The best keeper was Schmeichel, the best defender was Ferdinand, the best midfielder was Keane, the best forward was Henry, and the best player was Ronaldo. Fact.

nope, the best keeper was Neville southall

Macavity.

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The racism and cannabilism can't be ignored either...they colour things.

They can be completely ignored. This is about footballing ability. Maybe you can start a thread about great players in the Premier League who were also great role models and he can be left out of that.

Alfred Borden

Ashley Cole has to be in with a shout here. Consistently the best left back in the world for nearly 10 years imo.

K-9

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Van Nistelrooy has far more of a case to be mentioned in this thread, and is far ahead of Suarez

Always like Van Nistelrooy, under rated player. Not that much between them but I'd pick Suarez 9 times out of 10.

Will I Amnt

Fescue wrote: »

So a guy who is the 3rd most expensive signing in the history of football can't be considered amongst the best players to have played in the Premiership?

Bale barely got a mention...

Macavity.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Van Nistelrooy has far more of a case to be mentioned in this thread, and is far ahead of Suarez

Van Nistlelrooy has definitely been undermentioned in this thread, but you're way off with saying he's far ahead of Suarez. That's just silly.

Larry Wildman

Macavity. wrote: »

They can be completely ignored. This is about footballing ability. Maybe you can start a thread about great players in the Premier League who were also great role models and he can be left out of that.

No they can't.

He's a guy who has missed 34 games for racism and cannibalism.

Part of being a great player is others saying "Jesus I'd want him in my side".

Less people would want Suarez than would want Ronaldo / Henry / Shearer / etc.

Rayne Wooney

K-9 wrote: »

Always like Van Nistelrooy, under rated player. Not that much between them but I'd pick Suarez 9 times out of 10.

You would be wrong then. van Nistelrooy has a better goal scoring record in both the Eredivisie and the PL, he won more than Suarez both team and individual awards.

If this thread is the greatest players to have ever played in the PL, which it is, then VN is ahead of Suarez without a doubt.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Always like Van Nistelrooy, under rated player. Not that much between them but I'd pick Suarez 9 times out of 10.

Suarez last season was better than any that van Nistlerooy had and he may go on to be considered a better player but overall Ruud would be higher in this situation.
I'll say it again, 3 full seasons at the top level of club football leaves Suarez at a major disadvantage for these arguments.
In a few more years he will no doubt feature bar a collapse in form or a massive suspension.

Zico

This is turning into the "better players than Luis Suarez to have played in the premier league" thread but here's a few more

Youri Djorkaeff
Alen Boksic
Davor Suker
Fabrizio Ravanelli
Gianluca Vialli
Ruud Gullit
Henrik Larsson
Jurgen Klinsmann
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
Pierre Van Hooijdonk
Mark Viduka
Karl Heinz Riedle
Fernando Morientes
Gianfranco Zola
Florin Raduciou
Paolo Futre
Faustino Asprilla

An obsessed fan could make as good an argument for any of them as for Suarez. In fact most of those are legendary beyond anything Suarez has done, apart from racially abuse and bite opponents.

Cypher_sounds

Giggsy

Macavity.

I'd choose VN over Suarez (at the moment) but it's very close and in no way is he "far ahead". That's just ridiculous.

Soft Falling Rain

Zico wrote: »

This is turning into the "better players than Luis Suarez to have played in the premier league" thread but here's a few more

Youri Djorkaeff
Alen Boksic
Davor Suker
Fabrizio Ravanelli
Gianluca Vialli
Ruud Gullit
Henrik Larsson
Jurgen Klinsmann
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
Pierre Van Hooijdonk
Mark Viduka
Karl Heinz Riedle
Fernando Morientes
Gianfranco Zola
Florin Raduciou
Paolo Futre
Faustino Asprilla

An obsessed fan could make as good an argument for any of them as for Suarez. In fact most of those are legendary beyond anything Suarez has done, apart from racially abuse and bite opponents.

Oh my god.

Macavity.

Zico wrote: »

An obsessed fan could make as good an argument for any of them as for Suarez.

They'd want to pretty obsessed alright.

CSF

Zico wrote: »

This is turning into the "better players than Luis Suarez to have played in the premier league" thread but here's a few more

Youri Djorkaeff
Alen Boksic
Davor Suker
Fabrizio Ravanelli
Gianluca Vialli
Ruud Gullit
Henrik Larsson
Jurgen Klinsmann
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
Pierre Van Hooijdonk
Mark Viduka
Karl Heinz Riedle
Fernando Morientes
Gianfranco Zola
Florin Raduciou
Paolo Futre
Faustino Asprilla

An obsessed fan could make as good an argument for any of them as for Suarez. In fact most of those are legendary beyond anything Suarez has done, apart from racially abuse and bite opponents.

Ok.

K-9

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You would be wrong then. van Nistelrooy has a better goal scoring record in both the Eredivisie and the PL, he won more than Suarez both team and individual awards.

If this thread is the greatest players to have ever played in the PL, which it is, then VN is ahead of Suarez without a doubt.

The honours argument is one sided. Suarez played a huge part in bringing a team nobody gave a chance to nearly winning a league. Van Nistelrooy had a better team. It's a silly comparison as Suarez was never expected to win a PL medal, that would be exceptional. How much did Van Nistelroy win in England?

niallo27

Zico wrote: »

Andy Cole got 34 for Newcastle and Kevin Phillips got 30 for Sunderland, but I'd be happy enough to include Suarez in that bracket of player.

I feel sorry for Michael Owen. He was the best player in world, according to Liverpool fans, once now he doesn't even get a mention. That's the fickle world of football fans, Suarez will be forgotten too when the next shiny thing comes along.

Have you ever seen Suarez live though. He is a special player. He could do anything. Why you feel sorry for Michael Owen.

Mean Laqueefa

K-9 wrote: »

The honours argument is one sided. Suarez played a huge part in bringing a team nobody gave a chance to nearly winning a league. Van Nistelrooy had a better team. It's a silly comparison as Suarez was never expected to win a PL medal, that would be exceptional. How much did Van Nistelroy win in England?

Man Utd
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FA Cup: 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2003

Suarez in the same bracket as Kevin Philips.

The hate is strong there.

Loving this thread, it delivers in bucket loads

Fescue

I'd have to say that Van Nistelrooy is my favourite Utd player of the last 25 years.

K-9

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Man Utd
Premier League: 2002–03
FA Cup: 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2003

Thought it was a bit under whelming. No reflection on him though.

Will I Amnt

rarnes1 wrote: »

Suarez in the same bracket as Kevin Philips.

The hate is strong there.

Loving this thread, it delivers in bucket loads

You forgot to say "it's a great filter" isn't that your other one?

Rayne Wooney

K-9 wrote: »

The honours argument is one sided. Suarez played a huge part in bringing a team nobody gave a chance to nearly winning a league. Van Nistelrooy had a better team. It's a silly comparison as Suarez was never expected to win a PL medal, that would be exceptional. How much did Van Nistelroy win in England?

Fair enough we'll leave the honours point out, Suarez will still need to score 0.7 goals a game in la Liga to top VN and that remains to be seen.

The crux of my point is Suarez has no place in this thread if VN doesn't, VN is better placed than Suarez. It's mostly Liverpool fans who are bringing up Suarez and one even put him in the TOP 3!! players to have ever played in the league. That is hilarious.

One of the greatest players to ever play in the league? No, he is not.

Iused2likebusts

Zico wrote: »

This is turning into the "better players than Luis Suarez to have played in the premier league" thread but here's a few more

Youri Djorkaeff
Alen Boksic
Davor Suker
Fabrizio Ravanelli
Gianluca Vialli
Ruud Gullit
Henrik Larsson
Jurgen Klinsmann
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
Pierre Van Hooijdonk
Mark Viduka
Karl Heinz Riedle
Fernando Morientes
Gianfranco Zola
Florin Raduciou
Paolo Futre
Faustino Asprilla

An obsessed fan could make as good an argument for any of them as for Suarez. In fact most of those are legendary beyond anything Suarez has done, apart from racially abuse and bite opponents.

Your forlan was better than suarez was fairly out there but unbelievably you have managed to top it fairly spectacularly.

K-9

Nobody has objected strenuosly to Van Nistleroy, that would be silly.

Mean Laqueefa

Oranage2 wrote: »

So as the title says, who are the best players to have played in the Prem and it can include players that didn't set the Prem alight but would have been considered one of the best after or before, for me It's:

1. C Ronaldo
2. Henry


Top two are pretty easy, not sure who to put after that, drogba possibly?

Can you just clarify pls ? 13+ pages so far of debates , and Suarez nut huggers or haters ?

Example

Most Honors - Giggs and most of the class of 92
Most Appearances - Giggs
Natural Talent and honors before and after - C Ronaldo
Before premiership good while there crap - Many of who Zico has mentioned with my shout for Desuamps.
Exellent while there but win nothing - Suarez (Fabregas won a single FA cup and yet has world cup medals)
Top Scorer - Shearer
Loved by all fans - Juninho , Zola , Sir Les

Everyone is the above small group has won more than Suarez , i like watching him but putting him into any list as best EPL players is beyond silly.

Shanotheslayer

Fescue wrote: »

So a guy who is the 3rd most expensive signing in the history of football can't be considered amongst the best players to have played in the Premiership?

Christ not the money argument. Is David Luiz the best ever Defender in the world?

Fescue

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Fair enough we'll leave the honours point out, Suarez will still need to score 0.7 goals a game in la Liga to top VN and that remains to be seen.

The crux of my point is Suarez has no place in this thread if VN doesn't, VN is better placed than Suarez. It's mostly Liverpool fans who are bringing up Suarez and one even put him in the TOP 3!! players to have ever played in the league. That is hilarious.

One of the greatest players to ever play in the league? No, he is not.

I did. Because for talent alone I think he is one of the top three. On talent.

On the basis of talent alone, I would also have Van Persie up there.

Shanotheslayer

Fescue wrote: »

I did. Because for talent alone I think he is one of the top three. On talent.

On the basis of talent alone, I would also have Van Persie up there.

On talent alone? Suarez and RVP top 3?! You're joking surely? Henry,Ronaldo?!

Fescue

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Christ not the money argument. Is David Luiz the best ever Defender in the world?

There is something suspicious about that transfer but I get your point.

I was merely suggesting that Suarez name deserved to be discussed. Some were suggesting that he shouldn't even be in the debate. But surely when someone pays that for a player you have to include him in the debate. Like Bale.

Fescue

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

On talent alone? Suarez and RVP top 3?! You're joking surely? Henry,Ronaldo?!

Not in the top 3 but close.

Rayne Wooney

Fescue wrote: »

I did. Because for talent alone I think he is one of the top three. On talent.

On the basis of talent alone, I would also have Van Persie up there.

Sure if Berbatov had Ronaldo's work rate he would be the best player in the world on talent. I just think you are changing the subject a bit

If you can say with a straight face and with tinted specs off, that Suarez is one of the greatest players to play in the premier league, I just can't understand.

He isn't. Could do one day but it's very very premature to be mentioning him in this thread.

Shanotheslayer

Fescue wrote: »

There is something suspicious about that transfer but I get your point.

I was merely suggesting that Suarez name deserved to be discussed. Some were suggesting that he shouldn't even be in the debate. But surely when someone pays that for a player you have to include him in the debate. Like Bale.

Fair enough, I understand the inclusion of him in the thread but that reasoning was just flabbergasting.

Mean Laqueefa

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Sure if Berbatov had Ronaldo's work rate he would be the best player in the world on talent. I just think you are changing the subject a bit

If you can say with a straight face and with tinted specs off, that Suarez is one of the greatest players to play in the premier league, I just can't understand.

He isn't. Could do one day but it's very very premature to be mentioning him in this thread.

So true on just talent the first 11 would be amazing wouldnt win sweet F all but damn it would be pretty when it worked.

Fescue

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Sure if Berbatov had Ronaldo's work rate he would be the best player in the world on talent. I just think you are changing the subject a bit

If you can say with a straight face and with tinted specs off, that Suarez is one of the greatest players to play in the premier league, I just can't understand.

He isn't. Could do one day but it's very very premature to be mentioning him in this thread.

For me this thread reads as who are the best players not who have had the best careers.

My definition of best is more concerned with their quality than career statistics.

If I was asked to pick three players, from the premiership era, to put into my team, I would pick Henry, Ronaldo and Suarez. What a forward line that would be. I don't think I would put any other players in ahead of those three.

Is that not fair enough?

K-9

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Sure if Berbatov had Ronaldo's work rate he would be the best player in the world on talent. I just think you are changing the subject a bit

If you can say with a straight face and with tinted specs off, that Suarez is one of the greatest players to play in the premier league, I just can't understand.

He isn't. Could do one day but it's very very premature to be mentioning him in this thread.

Difference is there's no doubt Suarez delivers on his talent and in no way lazy.

Rayne Wooney

Fescue wrote: »

For me this thread reads as who are the best players not who have had the best careers.

My definition of best is more concerned with their quality than career statistics.

If I was asked to pick three players, from the premiership era, to put into my team, I would pick Henry, Ronaldo and Suarez. What a forward line that would be. I don't think I would put any other players in ahead of those three.

Is that not fair enough?

Not really no because quality has many different aspects. Alan Shearer had enough quality to win the golden boot 3 times in a row so should be ahead of Suarez also using that logic

Mean Laqueefa

K-9 wrote: »

Difference is there's no doubt Suarez delivers on his talent and in no way lazy.

Suarez.

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Fescue

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Not really no because quality has many different aspects. Alan Shearer had enough quality to win the golden boot 3 times in a row so should be ahead of Suarez also using that logic

Listen if you want to put Shearer in ahead of Suarez do so. I don't give two shiney ****es. I'm picking those three because I think they are the three best I've seen.

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Fair enough we'll leave the honours point out, Suarez will still need to score 0.7 goals a game in la Liga to top VN and that remains to be seen.

The crux of my point is Suarez has no place in this thread if VN doesn't, VN is better placed than Suarez. It's mostly Liverpool fans who are bringing up Suarez and one even put him in the TOP 3!! players to have ever played in the league. That is hilarious.

One of the greatest players to ever play in the league? No, he is not.

Of course he is. Not as good as Ronaldo who unquestionably takes the accolade but definitely in the upper echelons. He has been simply unstoppable.

CSF

Fescue wrote: »

For me this thread reads as who are the best players not who have had the best careers.

My definition of best is more concerned with their quality than career statistics.

If I was asked to pick three players, from the premiership era, to put into my team, I would pick Henry, Ronaldo and Suarez. What a forward line that would be. I don't think I would put any other players in ahead of those three.

Is that not fair enough?

It is absolutely fair, the Liverpool United ****e that goes on in these threads is one of the worst things on this forum.

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

It is absolutely fair, the Liverpool United ****e that goes on in these threads is one of the worst things on this forum.

Almost as bad as the LOI v everyone else stuff...

K-9

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Suarez.

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Football League Cup: 2009–10
FA Community Shield: 2010, 2011
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Football League Cup: 2007–08

We've been through the honours thing. It was never expected Suarez would win a PL, bit like Best not winning a WC. Suarez for me is probably a level below the undisputed top 5 or 6 players, hardly a controversial opinion.