Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

Ken Shamrock

Hyzepher wrote: »

I was disappointed at Wilshire going to ground as often as he does. Once you leave your feet you have bugger all control

The guy slipped, that was obvious from the replay. He went to ground a fair bit but never got a booking or gave away a silly foul, i like when he plays like that, gives us someone strong in the middle and breaks up play.

Hyzepher

maybe it had more to do with how the game was on a knife-edge and all I could see was Wilshire making a reckless challenge and costing us a penalty.

I do agree that he showed a lot more desire last night then in recent games

boccy23

I thought it was Jack's best game of the season last night. Does this mean he can't play with Rambo?

Spanish Johnny

boccy23 wrote: »

I thought it was Jack's best game of the season last night. Does this mean he can't play with Rambo?

Hard to know. One hand it seems that way yet on the other we have only played what..4 games? These things take time and patience. Will be same for Ozil and Sanchez so they can work each others habits out.

We have been very jittery and impatient here lately. We expect things to click immediately. When you think we have only played 4 compeyitive games its crazy.

We were basically writing off Wilshere, slating Giroud on the back of one awful performance yet he has scored 2 goals and created our equaliser against Palace and even Santi was written off a little despite having a goal, a super assist and a sparkling performance last night. ....all in three different games. Something we all guilty of and need to tone down

CatInABox

Impressions so far.

Negative:
We are not playing our best, and are only grinding out results.

Positive:
We are not playing our best, but we ARE grinding out results.

I think that even though we've been a little lucky in a couple of the games, we've already shown that there is more belief and mental strength in this team. Two years ago, we probably would have lost a few of those games.

Looking forward to when the team clicks with each other again.

emergingstar

boccy23 wrote: »

I thought it was Jack's best game of the season last night. Does this mean he can't play with Rambo?

At the moment no,
But giving time I bet they will

Alfred Borden

Excited for this draw. Dont know how i would have felt if we werent in it

CatInABox

Raf32 wrote: »

Excited for this draw. Dont know how i would have felt if we werent in it

I'd have been devastated.

emergingstar

I can see now why we switched to 4-1-4-1

I think it's all to do with the big games we will be really compact and try catch teams on the break with Sanchez and Walcott

Maybe it's not as bad as I first feared going to take more time to work on though

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Raf32 wrote: »

Excited for this draw. Dont know how i would have felt if we werent in it

Yeah it's always nice. Would appreciate at least a little nicer of a draw and then if we get to the knockout stages again not having to play Bayern again would be great. (it'll probably be Real this time)

emergingstar

Raf32 wrote: »

Excited for this draw. Dont know how i would have felt if we werent in it

I remember a time when posters were hoping we wouldn't make it, for whatever there reasons were

Oranage2

What time is the cl draw at?

Soups123

Oranage2 wrote: »

What time is the cl draw at?

4.30pm

Alfred Borden

Would love to get Ajax for some reason. Nice club and very beatable with little travel.

Soups123

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Yeah it's always nice. Would appreciate at least a little nicer of a draw and then if we get to the knockout stages again not having to play Bayern again would be great. (it'll probably be Real this time)

It was great last year having a big game every week to watch! I much rather that that mundan fixtures. That said I knew we wouldnt win it last year so if we got an easy group, even made the semi's thanks to an easier draw I'd be all game for that

Mickeroo

emergingstar wrote: »

I can see now why we switched to 4-1-4-1

I think it's all to do with the big games we will be really compact and try catch teams on the break with Sanchez and Walcott

Maybe it's not as bad as I first feared going to take more time to work on though

It did work very well against City in the CS in fairness, I don't think we need to use it every game though. I can definitely see it being our "big game" formation.

emergingstar

Mickeroo wrote: »

It did work very well against City in the CS in fairness, I don't think we need to use it every game though. I can definitely see it being our "big game" formation.

I think he is persisting with it now to get the players used to it

Manzoor14

What's the story with the Besiktas match not being available on Arsenal Player until 11pm on Saturday?
League games are usually up the next day or so are they?

HazDanz

I thought this was a good analysis of the 4-1-4-1.


http://bundesligafanatic.com/tactical-analysis-bayerns-4-1-4-1-in-german-super-cup/

shano_88

Manzoor14 wrote: »

What's the story with the Besiktas match not being available on Arsenal Player until 11pm on Saturday?
League games are usually up the next day or so are they?

Was the same last week. Can catch the full game here

http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/arsenal-vs-besiktas

Manzoor14

shano_88 wrote: »

Was the same last week. Can catch the full game here

http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/arsenal-vs-besiktas

Cheers, I had a link similar. Is this only a thing for CL games?
Pretty sure I was able to watch Saturday and Sunday league games in work on Mondays last year?

shano_88

Manzoor14 wrote: »

Cheers, I had a link similar. Is this only a thing for CL games?
Pretty sure I was able to watch Saturday and Sunday league games in work on Mondays last year?

I'm not sure tbh. League games have been up fairly quickly this year aswell so maybe it is just a champions league thing.

Hyzepher

I think the 4-1-4-1 formation suits us better but we need a very disciplined DM if it is to work and I'm not sure the club have one.

Hyzepher

Hyzepher wrote: »

I was disappointed at Wilshire going to ground as often as he does. Once you leave your feet you have bugger all control

He's still doing that thing of letting the ball run across him before taking a first touch or running onto it. If it was once in a while it'd be fine but opponents are able to read it now and it leads to him getting into more battles for the ball and losing it more than necessary.

Hyzepher

Deleted User wrote: »

He's still doing that thing of letting the ball run across him before taking a first touch or running onto it. If it was once in a while it'd be fine but opponents are able to read it now and it leads to him getting into more battles for the ball and losing it more than necessary.

Yeah it's pretty obvious.

I like Jack but he needs to just do the basics right and then focus on the tricky stuff once he starts to show a little form. The flicks and stuff is great when it comes off and it can spring a fast counter-attack but he loses the ball too much and it's pressure we can do without given our capacity to give away needless goals.

For me it's has the same affect as when Arteta is caught in possession.

Ken Shamrock

Yeah we could really do with a clean sheet on Sunday, we've scored 4 in 2 in the prem league so far but the worry is were conceding silly goals, we need to get that sh1t out of our game if we want to compete.

Alfred Borden

A win on Sunday and we couldnt ask for a better start. We all would have took 7 points out of 9. Qualified for the Champions league and added another trophy so its been a great start to the season. Hopefully we get what we need now in the market in the next few days.

emergingstar

Looking back chambers was excellent when he came on, going to be some player

Lostman1990

emergingstar wrote: »

Looking back chambers was excellent when he came on, going to be some player

Agree completely....so far he has looked unreal...going to be a top centre half in my opinion. 16 million is a bargain.

Lostman1990

I thought Flamini was very good last night in the defensive midfield role. I'd still like a Khedira/Carvalho type in there.
But i would love if we pulled off another Ozil type signing at the end of the transfer market. I can see Poloski maybe moving and wouldthen hopeto see Cavani....I know it won't happen..:) But my God, Cavani.......

emergingstar

This day three years ago utd beat us 8-2

Anyone fancy going back and seeing what this forum was like back then, wonder have we many survivors from then

Rough rough times

wandatowell

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Yeah we could really do with a clean sheet on Sunday, we've scored 4 in 2 in the prem league so far but the worry is were conceding silly goals, we need to get that sh1t out of our game if we want to compete.

Quite a few players haven't looked 100% percent but games will sort them out. Looking forward to seeing how the team plays after another few matches under its belt.

The two games against Besiktas have set us up nicely

tayto lover

Marty McFly wrote: »

Not having a go but you seem to have a real thing against Ozil.

Most agree he was brilliant tonight yet your still not satisfied and think he was under par.

Ozil was very good but not outstanding.
Very weak in the challenge and overhitting some passes.
I expect him to improve and be player of the season.

Hyzepher

yeah although I'll probably need a few days to recover, those Besiktas games should help to get us up to speed quicker.

CatInABox

tayto lover wrote: »

Ozil was very good but not outstanding.
Very weak in the challenge and overhitting some passes.
I expect him to improve and be player of the season.

One thing that I noticed was that he was sprinting back to cover. That's usually a complaint about him, but this time I think he made the effort.

Hyzepher

I see Bayern are in for Alonso for about 10m - even at 32 he could do a job for us for a year or two

wandatowell

tayto lover wrote: »

Ozil was very good but not outstanding.
Very weak in the challenge and overhitting some passes.
I expect him to improve and be player of the season.

Sweet pass for the assist though

I think he's going to be fantastic.

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

I remember a time when posters were hoping we wouldn't make it, for whatever there reasons were

I think people were saying that if we're in it then we have to try and win it.
Getting there and being knocked out just after the group stages is just not good enough anymore.
They wanted Wenger to strengthen the squad and give the team a chance of actually winning the CL.

UnknownSpecies

tayto lover wrote: »

I think people were saying that if we're in it then we have to try and win it.
Getting there and being knocked out just after the group stages is just not good enough anymore.
They wanted Wenger to strengthen the squad and give the team a chance of actually winning the CL.

I don't understand how people think that would work though. It's a catch 22. If you're not in the Champions League, it's harder to strengthen.

Mr Blobby

Hyzepher wrote: »

I see Bayern are in for Alonso for about 10m - even at 32 he could do a job for us for a year or two

He's even less mobile than Arteta!
If you watch Madrid, Alonso never really chases down players... That's Modric's job. Alonso's job is to keep the ball moving and to spread the play.

We need someone who can constantly chase down the ball when its in the middle.

tayto lover

dorgasm wrote: »

I don't understand how people think that would work though. It's a catch 22. If you're not in the Champions League, it's harder to strengthen.

It was after qualification that people wanted the squad strengthened.

Roddy23

I see we're being linked with Carlos Bacca on twitter. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Savage player on Fifa - please please please be true.

UnknownSpecies

tayto lover wrote: »

It was after qualification that people wanted the squad strengthened.

Oh right, I thought you meant people didn't want us to qualify to force some transfer activity.

Hyzepher

Mr Blobby wrote: »

He's even less mobile than Arteta!
If you watch Madrid, Alonso never really chases down players... That's Modric's job. Alonso's job is to keep the ball moving and to spread the play.

We need someone who can constantly chase down the ball when its in the middle.

i think having a DM to chase down players would be the wrong application. he's there to win the ball and then distribute it correctly. In a 4-1-4-1 formation having your DM run around the pitch and out of position is a disaster.

A DM in that formation must be rigid and disciplined in maintaining position

Alfred Borden

Roddy23 wrote: »

I see we're being linked with Carlos Bacca on twitter. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Savage player on Fifa - please please please be true.

I have been hyping him up in here for ages, please god let this happen

Soups123

Roddy23 wrote: »

I see we're being linked with Carlos Bacca on twitter. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Savage player on Fifa - please please please be true.

I never know wether to take people serious with those comments

Raf32 wrote: »

I have been hyping him up in here for ages, please god let this happen

Who and what is he?

Alfred Borden

Soups123 wrote: »

I never know wether to take people serious with those comments



Who and what is he?

Sevilla striker. Great dribbler, bit of Suarez about him. Colombian but think he could be around 28? Great talent though.

Mr Blobby

Soups123 wrote: »

I never know wether to take people serious with those comments



Who and what is he?

Plays for Sevilla.
He's just a pure goalscorer.. No fancy crap, just scores.

Hyzepher

I think he has a fairly heafty buy-out clause - like all spanish based players - around €30m I think

Roddy23

Everton were meant to be interested in him earlier on in the window and thought they could secure him for 14million until they went and bought Lukaku.

He was voted by Marca in Spain as the best transfer of last year's season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVeVcXFmZQ