Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

wonga77 · 02-09-2014 8:59am

Might as well get behind the lad!

Mr.Micro · 02-09-2014 9:00am

wonga77 wrote: »

Wenger has really given his detractors serious ammunition this window.
Finish 20 points behind the league winners and its, if x or y hadnt got injured, if only he'd reinforced our defence and not left us thin on cover.
Finish 2 points behind the league winners and its, if x or y hadnt got injured, if only he'd reinforced our defence and not left us thin on cover.

The only way he will survive this is if he somehow manages to win the league, even his most loyal backers seem to be having a few doubts now

Did anyone doubt he would ever change... He has a lot of credibility and success, as in CL qualification for the last 17 times., but boy is he stubborn and always a little deficit for the full set. I welcome Welbeck and hope we do well, but I think we are short in key areas, despite the additions in the window.

AdamD · 02-09-2014 9:04am

One interesting thing is that both Welbeck and Sanchez are known for their high work rates in both defence and attack. Hopefully with those two in the team we can win the ball higher up the pitch and become more dangerous. The added pace also gives us a great counter attack option when playing away against good teams. Welbeck Sanchez Walcott

wonga77 · 02-09-2014 9:04am

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Did anyone doubt he would ever change... He has a lot of credibility and success, as in CL qualification for the last 17 times., but boy is he stubborn and always a little deficit for the full set. I welcome Welbeck and hope we do well, but I think we are short in key areas, despite the additions in the window.

Yes they did, the thread nearly went into meltdown when he let Fabregas go to Chelsea, there were lots who couldnt understand it and quite a few that backed Wenger saying that he obviously knew best and they would reserve judgement till the close of window.
Not getting another cb is criminal squad management, regardless of whatever your opinion on Wenger might be.

greendom · 02-09-2014 9:06am

AdamD wrote: »

One interesting thing is that both Welbeck and Sanchez are known for their high work rates in both defence and attack. Hopefully with those two in the team we can win the ball higher up the pitch and become more dangerous. The added pace also gives us a great counter attack option when playing away against good teams. Welbeck Sanchez Walcott

Good point, higher physicality and aggression higher up the field not to mention chasing back and really meaning it will make the heavy defeats we suffered last season that bit harder to achieve.

TheGunns · 02-09-2014 9:11am

wonga77 wrote: »

Not getting another cb is criminal squad management, regardless of whatever your opinion on Wenger might be.

Can't disagree with that. I honestly thought Wenger would buy another, especially coming off the back of a World Cup, but he didn't. Potential disaster zone at the back now if we get one injury never mind two.

We're good enough to compete imo, but an injury at the back and it'll all be over. Monreal is barely good enough at lb, he shouldn't be cover center back. Chambers is looking good but he's pretty much covering right and center back.Only hope is that one of the youngsters manages to step up and there's no long term injury in defence.

Frustration doesn't even begin to describe it.

jank · 02-09-2014 9:14am

A CB/DM would have made the difference I think. We will see now how the team progresses.

Ardennes1944 · 02-09-2014 9:24am

If Welbeck is gonna work his ass off up there as much as it sounds then I'll gladly take him. Makes a big difference to have an athlete up there constantly putting defenders under pressure when possible. I hope him and Sanchez retain their dogged ways under Wenger

.jacksparrow. · 02-09-2014 9:29am

AdamD wrote: »

One interesting thing is that both Welbeck and Sanchez are known for their high work rates in both defence and attack. Hopefully with those two in the team we can win the ball higher up the pitch and become more dangerous. The added pace also gives us a great counter attack option when playing away against good teams. Welbeck Sanchez Walcott

This is a good point actually.

Our pressing game and ball retrieving is very poor, no urgency at all, but maybe this could help that improve.

Mickeroo · 02-09-2014 9:29am

emergingstar wrote: »

Welbeck to outscore falcao and balotelli

Hon Danny

I said he'd outscore Falcao as a joke emergingstar type post yesterday and then you go and say it today for real. I hope we're right

Moat_Cailin · 02-09-2014 9:35am

Alexis has really carried over his pressing game from Barce. Very impressed with his pressing and work rate. I wouldn't say we are poor in this regard, something we can improve certainly.

Paj · 02-09-2014 9:36am

if welbeck outscores falcao i'll eat my shorts.

.jacksparrow. · 02-09-2014 9:39am

Moat_Cailin wrote: »

Alexis has really carried over his pressing game from Barce. Very impressed with his pressing and work rate. I wouldn't say we are poor in this regard, something we can improve certainly.

I think we're very poor, half our players can't even tackle. We just invite the opposition on and hope kos or mert can win it back.

Anyway Sanchez is showing them how it's done, they need to observe.

greendom · 02-09-2014 9:44am

Coquelin is still around so I suppose he'll fill in at full back and in def mid from time to time. Had high hopes for him once.

omega man · 02-09-2014 9:49am

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well how comeost other teams can manage to find someone but we can't?

Liverpool have agger, skrtel, sakho and lovren.

Agger left. I was playing devils advocate as I agree we needed more CB cover. I was just putting the point across as to what specific CB we should have signed baring in mind a good CB would want game time and perhaps we'd risk losing them, kos or mert next season if either one was warming the bench. I don't want another Senderos etc

gandalf · 02-09-2014 9:50am

Paj wrote: »

if welbeck outscores falcao i'll eat my shorts.

Saving this for posterity

Hopefully come May we'll be serving up Deep Fried Shorts to you

emergingstar · 02-09-2014 9:50am

Mickeroo wrote: »

I said he'd outscore Falcao as a joke emergingstar type post yesterday and then you go and say it today for real. I hope we're right

I have full faith in the young man

Paj · 02-09-2014 9:50am

gandalf wrote: »

Saving this for posterity

Hopefully come May we'll be serving up Deep Fried Shorts to you

hey if it happens, pass the ketchup!

Ken Shamrock · 02-09-2014 9:52am

Hahaha saw this this morning, laughed my balls off and then i cried a little....

http://instagram.com/p/sbyGvHJYDn/

Mickeroo · 02-09-2014 9:57am

Forgot about Gnabry, really surprised he wasn't loaned. Can't see him being too near the first team this year either.

emergingstar · 02-09-2014 9:59am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Forgot about Gnabry, really surprised he wasn't loaned. Can't see him being too near the first team this year either.

He is crocked and wenger said he is no where near coming back

hsbc · 02-09-2014 10:13am

Maybe Diaby can fulfil his potential and prove to be a vital part of the team for the season. I won't hold my breath but he could be the missing link. Very impressed with him when he plays. The international break will give him an extra 2 weeks to get up to the required fitness.

*cue a reply from someone telling me he's injured himself again*

.jacksparrow. · 02-09-2014 10:18am

omega man wrote: »

Agger left. I was playing devils advocate as I agree we needed more CB cover. I was just putting the point across as to what specific CB we should have signed baring in mind a good CB would want game time and perhaps we'd risk losing them, kos or mert next season if either one was warming the bench. I don't want another Senderos etc

Well then us having only 3cbs maybe isn't too bad if they are the same.

hsbc · 02-09-2014 10:25am

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well then us having only 3cbs maybe isn't too bad if they are the same.

Any decent CB's available on a free?

Ardennes1944 · 02-09-2014 10:28am

Defenders
Abdeslam Ouaddou
Adam Drury
Albin Ebondo
Andrea Dossena
Anthony Gardner
Badr El Kaddouri
Breno Borges
Diego Lugano
Digao
Frankie Simek
Gary Borrowdale
Giourkas Seitaridis
Habib Beye
James Cullingworth
Jan Tauer
Jean-Alain Boumsong
Jermaine Pennant
John Mensah
Jon Otsemobor
Jonathan Fortune
Kenny Strickland
Kerrea Gilbert
Michael Ball
Modibo Diakite
Pablo Ibanez
Ricardo Gardner
Ricardo Rocha
Rui Marques
Sammy Traore
Takura Mtandari
Tamas Kadar
Thierry Gathuessi
Titus Bramble
William Gallas
Yago Fernandez
Yassin Moutaouakil

Dont know how comprehensive or correct this list is but Gilbert and Gallas Id say to come back :pac:

Paj · 02-09-2014 10:29am

#bringbackgallas

(NEVER! detest him)

Ken Shamrock · 02-09-2014 10:29am

Diakite wouldn't be a bad shout.

Godge · 02-09-2014 10:31am

emergingstar wrote: »

I hope Hayden gets his chance in the league cup and he takes it looks to be a proper player

I think Hayden and Bellerin will be promoted to the first-team squad, even if only to look like we have 8 defenders.

hsbc · 02-09-2014 10:32am

Some decent CB's in that list that could act as a back up.

Somebody get on to Wenger.

Moat_Cailin · 02-09-2014 10:38am

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I think we're very poor, half our players can't even tackle. We just invite the opposition on and hope kos or mert can win it back.

Anyway Sanchez is showing them how it's done, they need to observe.

Wouldn't totally agree or disagree. I think our main problem is we don't do it as a team and we don't pick our moments to press as one. All the players do it in some regard. Some a lot more than others, and never seems to be in a tactical unity Barcelona style.

It's a tactic that has pros and cons. I think it's very effective when used together at the right times. We seem to have the high energy players that can implement it, so let's see.

Backstreet Moyes · 02-09-2014 10:40am

As a United fan i think Wellbeck will do very well at Arsenal. His movement and pace will get him into great positions. But from a fantasy football position do people think he will slot in as your number 1 striker?

Alfred Borden · 02-09-2014 10:41am

Can we recall Jenko? I wouldnt feel as bad about the back if we could

Moat_Cailin · 02-09-2014 10:48am

Raf32 wrote: »

Can we recall Jenko? I wouldnt feel as bad about the back if we could

I would be shocked if that wasn't an option included in the deal.

Mr.Prodston · 02-09-2014 10:48am

As a United fan I'm absolutely gutted that Welbeck has gone to Arsenal, or well anywhere to be honest. While he may not be at Falcao's level I think he'll thrive at Arsenal.

You'll get effort and commitment. He has great pace and he can carry the ball forward very well. He's not the most natural of finishers but is a good instinctive finisher when he doesn't have to think as much. Also he's not as bad as the media and "general consensus" make out, that's just lazy follow the crowd thinking.

He had a run of games upfront last season while Rooney and RVP was out and he did really well considering the players assisting him. The thought of Ozil, Sanchez, Santi, Walcott, Debuchy creating for him will bring the best of Welbeck if he gets the chance to lead the line. As well as Ramsey's runs. I hope he has a great season and career, ye have a good'un

You treat him right ok

Ken Shamrock · 02-09-2014 10:53am

Sczcesney

(Ospina)

-Debuchy---Mertesacker--Koscielny---Gibbs---
-(Bellerin)--(Chambers)---(Hayden)--(Monreal)

Arteta

Ramsey

(Flamini)

(Wilshere)

Ozil

(Carzola)

Walcott

Alexis

---(Chamberlain)

(Podolski)

Giroud

(Welbeck)

Still reason to be optimistic i guess, on paper, no Rosicky,Diaby,Campbell etc.

Moat_Cailin · 02-09-2014 10:54am

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

As a United fan I'm absolutely gutted that Welbeck has gone to Arsenal, or well anywhere to be honest. While he may not be at Falcao's level I think he'll thrive at Arsenal.

You'll get effort and commitment. He has great pace and he can carry the ball forward very well. He's not the most natural of finishers but is a good instinctive finisher when he doesn't have to think as much. Also he's not as bad as the media and "general consensus" make out, that's just lazy follow the crowd thinking.

He had a run of games upfront last season while Rooney and RVP was out and he did really well considering the players assisting him. The thought of Ozil, Sanchez, Santi, Walcott, Debuchy creating for him will bring the best of Welbeck if he gets the chance to lead the line. As well as Ramsey's runs. I hope he has a great season and career, ye have a good'un

You treat him right ok

It has been really comforting hearing UTD fans are sorry to lose him

He has undoubted talent and he should have a point to prove. So let's see how good he can be.

Ardennes1944 · 02-09-2014 10:55am

A few United fans putting bets on him to be in top 4 scorers in the league this season :pac:

Godge · 02-09-2014 11:00am

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Sczcesney
(Ospina)
-Debuchy---Mertesacker--Koscielny---Gibbs---
-(Bellerin)--(Chambers)---(Hayden)--(Monreal)
Arteta
Ramsey
(Flamini)
(Wilshere)
Ozil
(Carzola)
Walcott
Alexis
---(Chamberlain)
(Podolski)
Giroud
(Welbeck)

Still reason to be optimistic i guess, on paper, no Rosicky,Diaby,Campbell etc.

Or Sanogo:)

Not forgetting Martinez, Gnabry, Coquelin or Zelalem either. 30 potential first-team players.

Wonda-Boy · 02-09-2014 11:05am

Lads,

At the end of the day we got an England international and a player with PL experience....its a hell of alot better then not signing anyone. I would not be the biggest fan of Wellbeck and as a die hard gooner I always want the best possible siginings and yes I would have loved to get Falcao, but a reported £260,000 a week tax free salary and a £10 million loan free we were dead right to pass up on him.

Wellbeck will score and I can see him scraping a few games for us, bitterly disappointed that we did not get a CB in, I posted weeks ago that we should have snapped up Lescott on a free. Would have been perfect squad player.

COYG.

Alfred Borden · 02-09-2014 11:15am

Looks like 5 teams for 4 spots this year. Hopefully we have enough.

Ken Shamrock · 02-09-2014 11:18am

Raf32 wrote: »

Looks like 5 teams for 4 spots this year. Hopefully we have enough.

Looks more like 7 to me

greendom · 02-09-2014 11:19am

We got away with Giroud not suffering a serious injury last season. Will we get away with the same with our centre-backs this season? Arsene does love a gamble doesn't he?

tayto lover · 02-09-2014 11:32am

extra gravy wrote: »

Fcuk it, I'll admit I never wanted Welbeck but if we sign him I'm behind him 100% and will give him a chance. A lot of United fans unhappy to see him go and most pundits seem to think he will be a good signing for us. There must be talent there and maybe we can get the best out of him.

I'm in the same boat.
Never passed much remarks of Wellbeck when he was with United.
Hope he hits the ground running for us.
Will not write off Sanogo yet either. He might come good in time. One thing for sure in his defence is that he is not right yet and Wenger shouldn't have heaped such pressure on the kid. More annoyed with Wenger than Sanogo.

Ken Shamrock · 02-09-2014 11:37am

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm in the same boat.
Never passed much remarks of Wellbeck when he was with United.
Hope he hits the ground running for us.
Will not write off Sanogo yet either. He might come good in time. One thing for sure in his defence is that he is not right yet and Wenger shouldn't have heaped such pressure on the kid. More annoyed with Wenger than Sanogo.

Sanogo's glued on to be our CB cover this year, next Sol Campbell.

Drexel · 02-09-2014 11:39am

Still dunno what to make of yesterday. Really stupid and risky from Wenger not to sign a defender. DM im not too upset over as once Arteta was made captain there was never a chance of someone new coming in, in that position.

Welbeck....Didnt think we would buy a striker so in that way im happy enough but im unsure if Welbeck is good enough. He is determined, big and strong which are all good things but I dunno is he what we need. United fans seem to rate him highly but easy for them to say when they just bought Falco.

We'll just have to wait and see. With him, Sanchez and walcott there is a lot of pace to hurt teams.

Mickeroo · 02-09-2014 11:41am

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm in the same boat.
Never passed much remarks of Wellbeck when he was with United.
Hope he hits the ground running for us.
Will not write off Sanogo yet either. He might come good in time. One thing for sure in his defence is that he is not right yet and Wenger shouldn't have heaped such pressure on the kid. More annoyed with Wenger than Sanogo.

I think when Sanogo finally does get that elusive goal we might see a change in him. I think his desperation to score is affecting his game, he always seems to wait that one extra second to take the shot like he wants to make sure he doesn't mess it up, then of course he messes it up. I think it needs to be a case of "there is no try, only do" with him.

Ardennes1944 · 02-09-2014 11:43am

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think when Sanogo finally does get that elusive goal we might see a change in him. I think his desperation to score is affecting his game, he always seems to wait that one extra second to take the shot like he wants to make sure he doesn't mess it up, then of course he messes it up. I think it needs to be a case of "there is no try, only do" with him.

When he got his goals against Benfica I think thats what we all hoped for, didnt happen though

omega man · 02-09-2014 11:52am

Good article here on Welbeck signing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11069558/Danny-Welbeck-transfer-evidence-of-English-policy-at-Arsenal-and-galactico-policy-at-Manchester-United.html

Mickeroo · 02-09-2014 11:54am

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

When he got his goals against Man City I think thats what we all hoped for, didnt happen though

You mean Benfica? Yeah I get you but I think there's a difference between scoring in a friendly and a competitive match and I'm sure he realises that too. I think he has the talent to come good eventually. In terms of workrate, getting into the right positions and linking up with his team mates he's already pretty decent just needs to sort out his composure when a chance presents itself. It's a good thing the pressure won't be all on him now Welbeck has arrived too I think.

Ardennes1944 · 02-09-2014 11:56am

Mickeroo wrote: »

You mean Benfica? Yeah I get you but I think there's a difference between scoring in a friendly and a competitive match and I'm sure he realises that too. I think he has the talent to come good eventually. In terms of workrate, getting into the right positions and linking up with his team mates he's already pretty decent just needs to sort out his composure when a chance presents itself. It's a good thing the pressure won't be all on him now Welbeck has arrived too I think.

**** yeah sorry!

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