Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

I'm not questioning his ability at all. He's already well worth the 12m. Just don't see the point in overplaying him at his age and after a serious injury.

I'll be very disappointed if he isn't pretty much in the first 11 after Christmas.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll be very disappointed if he isn't pretty much in the first 11 after Christmas.

You think he's good enough to displace one of Sanchez/Theo/Ramsey/Ozil?

He'll probably end up first choice due to injuries either way mind.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

You think he's good enough to displace one of Sanchez/Theo/Ramsey/Ozil?

He'll probably end up first choice due to injuries either way mind.

"Pretty much".

AdamD

Ox is the biggest talent in England atm IMO

EuropeanSon

Wilshere is still the biggest young (English) talent in England, he's just not flavour of the month with the media anymore so people think he has regressed.

He's light years ahead of the likes of Barkley, for example.

cathalio11

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Wilshere is still the biggest young (English) talent in England, he's just not flavour of the month with the media anymore so people think he has regressed.

He's light years ahead of the likes of Barkley, for example.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree.

Barkley only rose to prominence last year but he was very good. He impressed last season a lot more than Wilshere did.

And that resulted in him getting more game-time at the World Cup (Excluding England - Costa Rica because I don't have a clue who played in that game).

Maybe Wilshere is ahead of Barkley or maybe not. But he is certainly not light years ahead of him.

brianregan09

Wilshire has 3 or 4 seasons experience on Barkley raw talent or not you can't buy that kind of experience so i'd still have him well ahead of Barkley too

cathalio11

brianregan09 wrote: »

Wilshire has 3 or 4 seasons experience on Barkley raw talent or not you can't buy that kind of experience so i'd still have him well ahead of Barkley too

And likewise David Bentley had more experience than Wilshere when he burst onto the scene, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse to put him well ahead.

Barkley has proven that he isn't just a lively spark like Sterling was in his first few months before dwindling out for a year. Barkley puts in a strong shift every week and has earned his plaudits.

Topbike77

Sterling is the best young talent in England imo

tayto lover

This is a big season for Wilshere and Chamberlain. They are not kids anymore and have to step up to the plate. I think they will. Both are excellent footballers. Wilshere has to stop jawing at the referees and do his talking through his displays. I don't believe he has regressed, I think his injuries held him back a bit though. Both lads back fit will be great assets to the squad.

Drexel

I have high hopes for the ox. He has the talent and seems to have the drive too

Goina be a legend for us I think

extra gravy

So it looks like Akpom will get a game on Saturday then!

Soups123

extra gravy wrote: »

So it looks like Akpom will get a game on Saturday then!

Were is Sanogo

extra gravy

No Sanogo or Gnabry, maybe they could be heading out on loan?

tayto lover

Soups123 wrote: »

Were is Sanogo

Missed the plane :pac:

Awesomeness

Whens Campbell back? Is the ox injured?

EuropeanSon

cathalio11 wrote: »

Unfortunately, I have to disagree.

Barkley only rose to prominence last year but he was very good. He impressed last season a lot more than Wilshere did.

And that resulted in him getting more game-time at the World Cup (Excluding England - Costa Rica because I don't have a clue who played in that game).

Maybe Wilshere is ahead of Barkley or maybe not. But he is certainly not light years ahead of him .

With all due respect, that's nonsense. Wilshere had a better season than Barkley last year, he just wasn't new enough to draw uncritical eyes like Barkley was.

England managers are not renowned for picking the best team (see the Gerrard Lampard axis and Walcott's inclusion in 2006).

AdamD

Barkley was horrid at times last season, he just tends to have more stand out moments than other players and of course gets less critical attention than players playing for bigger clubs

Donnielighto

Barley is very much over rated. Doesnt have the all round game wilshere has, barkley is rawer which stands to him long term but I'm pretty certain you lads have a much better player.

gosplan

Wilshire will kick on no probs.

In his stand out season, he played 50 games in but they were all in CMF beside Song.

Last year he was on the wing.

Standard Wenger development IMO.

fearrua

gosplan wrote: »

Wilshire will kick on no probs.

In his stand out season, he played 50 games in but they were all in CMF beside Song.

Last year he was on the wing.

Standard Wenger development IMO.

Gotta agree with ya there. Don't forget he scored two of the goals of the season; against Norwich, and his first goal against Marseilles (which was also dead sexy).

Alfred Borden

Wilshere being touted as a dm tonight, what yee think?

emergingstar

Raf32 wrote: »

Wilshere being touted as a dm tonight, what yee think?

Not as a DM for me

But I have been saying in here long enough Ramsey/wilshere pivot will be world class and they will be our 2 in midfield for years to come

Alfred Borden

emergingstar wrote: »

Not as a DM for me

But I have been saying in here long enough Ramsey/wilshere pivot will be world class and they will be our 2 in midfield for years to come

Just need a beast behind them to protect them and the back 4. William Carvalho gets becomes more appealing by the day

brianregan09

Will someone please explain what a pivot is ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5DHU8SwYJ0

Donnielighto

Sorry for dropping into your thread so much lads.

I think in wilshere and ramsey you could have 2 proper cms which is damn rare at the higher levels now. As in they could get around and interchange as needed, none of this dm/am specialist craic. Neither of them are DMs imo but they are good enough in that dynamic role to implement a two man centre midfield. If you played a 10 then who had a bit of discipline and defensive workrate when needed it would be a very solid midfield for the next 8 years or so.

kronsington

Is there any chance that after all the talk AW won't go out and sign DM? This was talked about On the latest arseblog and they reckoned its possible we won't get one in unless arteta or flam leave. This is all just speculation and conjecture of course and hopefully we do get someone in. We have a load of midfielders but its obvious we need some steel in there

Lostman1990

Drogba's record in the premiership. 2004/2005 10 goals in 26 appearances. 2005/2006 12 goals in 29 appearances. 2006/2007 20 goals in 36 appearances. 2007/2008 8 goals in 19 appearances. 2008/2009 5 goals in 24 appearances. 2009/2010 29 goals in 32 appearances. 2010/2011 11 goals in 36 appearances. 2011/2012 5 goals in 24 appearances.

I'd expect Giroud to score at least 5 more premier league goals with greater support next year. And with our midfield chipping in a fair amount goals, we will challenge.

His assist rate will sky rocket too with Walcott, Sanchez and Ramsey playing off him. I'd much prefer a world-class DM now.

gosplan

brianregan09 wrote: »

Will someone please explain what a pivot is ?

What donnielighto said just under your post. Alternating players rather than defined roles.

I think ... though I could be completely wrong ... that specialist DMF's like Makelele, Keane, Gilberto functioned best as the back player in a midfield diamond.

Since the world went 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, the double pivot has become the big thing.

I think the original idea with the sitting 2 in a midfield 3 was that you'd have one out and out destroyer and one guy who does the short simple pass to move the ball around.

I think the double pivot comes from Spain where they reckon that closing down space quickly is far more effective than tackling like a demon. Having a double pivot effectively splits the pitch in half.

When the ball comes, the nearest player attacks it and the other drops off.

Paj

I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t go for a midfielder like Khedira, Bender, Carvahlo or Schneiderlin and leave Jack in that role. He’s not the most physical, disciplined or game-smart individual. His attitude on the pitch can be very petulant when we’re not having things our way – see Villa last season and Palace.
I’ll be very disappointed indeed.

emergingstar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5DHU8SwYJ0

Hahaha brilliant

omega man

Paj wrote: »

I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t go for a midfielder like Khedira, Bender, Carvahlo or Schneiderlin and leave Jack in that role. He’s not the most physical, disciplined or game-smart individual. His attitude on the pitch can be very petulant when we’re not having things our way – see Villa last season and Palace.
I’ll be very disappointed indeed.

Absolutely. I'm a bit concerned wenger is going to put more faith in diaby to actually turn up and play games this season. I assume he'll also expect jack to step up a gear or two also and therefore I'm thinking he may decide not to bring in another dm/cm.

To be honest I'd prefer we brought in a CF of a high standard, not necessarily "world class" but someone who'll keep giroud looking over his shoulder.

Ideally we'll do most, if not all, of our business as early as possible with a view to squad integration etc.

Irish Aris

omega man wrote: »

Absolutely. I'm a bit concerned wenger is going to put more faith in diaby to actually turn up and play games this season. I assume he'll also expect jack to step up a gear or two also and therefore I'm thinking he may decide not to bring in another dm/cm.

To be honest I'd prefer we brought in a CF of a high standard, not necessarily "world class" but someone who'll keep giroud looking over his shoulder.

Ideally we'll do most, if not all, of our business as early as possible with a view to squad integration etc.

I wouldn't be overly worried if we don't sign another striker-it's not ideal but I have the feeling that goals will come (obviously though, this is subject to any injury trouble).
But you are right, the DM position is of great importance. We need to make sure that we stop the traffic - the likes of Liverpool/Chelsea/Man City where we suffered last year.

Ken Shamrock

Bring back Claude Makelele from retirement, problem solved.

ronjo

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Bring back Claude Makelele from retirement, problem solved.

Ah no, lets bring back the invisible wall instead.

Ken Shamrock

Yeah or that! I miss 2001-2006 so much, just that time frame for watching Arsenal play, win or lose it always made me happy.

ronjo

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Yeah or that! I miss 2001-2006 so much, just that time frame for watching Arsenal play, win or lose it always made me happy.

Not sure about the second part.
I found losing then very tough to take when it was just us against United for a few years. 2001-2004 was so intense between the teams.

Ken Shamrock

ronjo wrote: »

Not sure about the second part.
I found losing then very tough to take when it was just us against United for a few years. 2001-2004 was so intense between the teams.

Well yeah obviously i was disappointed when we lost, but i was so excited just to watch the games and enjoyed our football so much that even when we lost i was still happy at how we played and enjoyed the game.

Alfred Borden

ronjo wrote: »

Not sure about the second part.
I found losing then very tough to take when it was just us against United for a few years. 2001-2004 was so intense between the teams.

Took defeats to United very bad, the game where they ended our run broke me :pac:

ronjo

Raf32 wrote: »

Took defeats to United very bad, the game where they ended our run broke me :pac:

2002-03 was the worst for me..... the draw at Bolton and then losing at home to Leeds to finish it off.
I just saw that we had 5 players in the Team of the year to Uniteds 1.
Of course the following season made up for it

Alfred Borden

ronjo wrote: »

2002-03 was the worst for me..... the draw at Bolton and then losing at home to Leeds to finish it off.
I just saw that we had 5 players in the Team of the year to Uniteds 1.
Of course the following season made up for it

could have been 3 in a row though Miss those days against United, never gonna get them back. Proper rivalry dictated totally on football.

keano_afc

Raf32 wrote: »

Took defeats to United very bad, the game where they ended our run broke me :pac:

Yeah i still struggle with that one. Have no problem if the run was ended fairly, but to be cheated out of it by the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen was hard to swallow.

Mickeroo

Apparently we've bid for Roberto Firmino, anyone know much about him?

It's only Metro anyway so probably not true.

Ken Shamrock

Mickeroo wrote: »

Apparently we've bid for Roberto Firmino, anyone know much about him?

It's only Metro anyway so probably not true.

Big fan of the bundesliga, mainly only watch the weekly recaps and big games tho, seen him score a few last year and is a name i'm familiar with, however can't really say i know much about his playing style, attacking midfielder, the last thing we need.

Awesomeness

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Big fan of the bundesliga, mainly only watch the weekly recaps and big games tho, seen him score a few last year and is a name i'm familiar with, however can't really say i know much about his playing style, attacking midfielder, the last thing we need.

Another attacking midfielder! Their not pokemon Arsene we dont need to collect them all

marvin80

keano_afc wrote: »

Yeah i still struggle with that one. Have no problem if the run was ended fairly, but to be cheated out of it by the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen was hard to swallow.

Hard to believe that was 10 years ago.

Soups123

Irish Aris wrote: »

I wouldn't be overly worried if we don't sign another striker-it's not ideal but I have the feeling that goals will come (obviously though, this is subject to any injury trouble).
But you are right, the DM position is of great importance. We need to make sure that we stop the traffic - the likes of Liverpool/Chelsea/Man City where we suffered last year.

The DM position is a must but it won't fix what happened in those games or others like it. Its a tactical failure more than anything and a mindset issue.

Like poor boxers, when we get hit a sucker punch we try to go blow for blow in panic and get annilated, if we took the blow on the chin, got tight and concentrated on defense for the next 5/10 minutes you ride the storm and then try come back, we panic and fight back with our heads all over the place.

What we need is a DM, who is also a leader who can command the team to fall in and ride it out I think the character will be as equally important as the ability. I don't see that in any possible DM we have in the squad

Hyzepher

DM is probably the most important position in club football today - it's not a position that is easily defined or even easily recognised but without it other elements cannot function.

Look at Barca, RM, Bayern - their attacking style would be quite easily nullified if they didn't have disciplined, well coached defensive minded players building a solid foundation for expansive attacking play.

Our heavy defeats last season are perfect examples of how not to adopt a fluid attacking philosophy. It's interesting to review the starting 11 for those matches - tactically AW cant be happy woth how he approached those games and a proven DM should provide him with a least a 2nd option away from home against rivals

Ardennes1944

At the start of last season though Flamini was barking at the players around him to try and get some structure back when we were under pressure and I love Flamini for that. He puts his heart into everything its just a pity he is the wrong side of 30 for me and makes rash challenges