Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

dinorebel

Anyone else think Tiote would be worth a shot?

Kirby

No. I read that story this morning and It wouldn't be a good idea. He isn't good enough on the ball. You can get away with being a poor passer of the ball, but only if you have a good touch. Tiote has neither and that's a problem. He loses the ball a lot.

Mr Blobby

dinorebel wrote: »

Anyone else think Tiote would be worth a shot?

I'd prefer not to do business with Pardew.

There's no point bringing in an average DM when we've the likes of Arteta and Flamini. We need to sign someone who's actually good enough for our starting 11.

Get Carvalho and we're sorted.

Mickeroo

Couple of seasons ago I thought he might have been worth a punt but he's not been very good since, definitely much better available.

Marty McFly

Kirby wrote: »

No. I read that story this morning and It wouldn't be a good idea. He isn't good enough on the ball. You can get away with being a poor passer of the ball, but only if you have a good touch. Tiote has neither and that's a problem. He loses the ball a lot.

Yea he kind of reminds me of Flamini but worse in every aspect.

GavRedKing

Hyzepher wrote: »

Anyone else think Cesc looks weird in Blue?

Even i think its weird.

He wont be playing as a number 10 for us id imagine. He'll more than likely partner Matic in CM. He played in a 3 with Ramires and Matic last night.

But ya, ye didnt need him as much as we did.

shano_88

Barcelona really put years on Cesc. Looks ancient now!

Mickeroo

I have him in my fantasy team, 10m less than Hazard, seemed like a no brainer.

emergingstar

Mickeroo wrote: »

I have him in my fantasy team, 10m less than Hazard, seemed like a no brainer.

I always avoid ex arsenal players and spurs players

Just can't bring myself to want them to do good at the weekends

Kirby

emergingstar wrote: »

I always avoid ex arsenal players and spurs players

Just can't bring myself to want them to do good at the weekends

Which is why I don't play Fantasy football any more. I stopped about 4 years ago. I was rooting for players and teams I wasn't particularly fond of and it hindered my enjoyment of the game a little bit.

Roddy23

Kirby wrote: »

Which is why I don't play Fantasy football any more. I stopped about 4 years ago. I was rooting for players and teams I wasn't particularly fond of and it hindered my enjoyment of the game a little bit.

I actually enjoy putting in players from the smaller teams, as it means I've a more involved outlook when watching the mid table/bottom of the league clashes. That's until my players get sent off/injured or taken off cos they're beyond useless.

Oranage2

Tiota is just a hatchet man, his whole game consists of kicking people off the ball, not good enough for a ball playing team.

GavRedKing

Mickeroo wrote: »

I have him in my fantasy team, 10m less than Hazard, seemed like a no brainer.

What fantasy competition is that :eek:

Skylinehead

Kirby wrote: »

Which is why I don't play Fantasy football any more. I stopped about 4 years ago. I was rooting for players and teams I wasn't particularly fond of and it hindered my enjoyment of the game a little bit.

I'm the opposite, if I play FF I suddenly have a massive interest in Stoke vs West Brom.

Mickeroo

GavRedKing wrote: »

What fantasy competition is that :eek:

D'oh, should read 1m.

GavRedKing

Mickeroo wrote: »

D'oh, should read 1m.

I've 3 Chelsea and 3 Arsenal players in my time.

JT, Hazard, Costa, Kos, Sanchez, Giroud.

Hoping to rack up points galore. :pac:

Alfred Borden

If we got Cavani, I couldnt care who our Dm is, what a player (despite a poor world cup). Would win the league with him.

Redzer7

Raf32 wrote: »

If we got Cavani, I couldnt care who our Dm is, what a player (despite a poor world cup). Would win the league with him.

Am I the only one who would hate us Splashing out on Cavani??

Alfred Borden

Redzer7 wrote: »

Am I the only one who would hate us Splashing out on Cavani??

I dont get the Cavani dislike. Miles better than what we have up top.

Ed Winchester

There isn't a hope in hell we're signing Cavani. No chance.

Roaster

If Cavani plays in his preferred position, i.e. centre forward, he will decimate premiership defences. Although, I'd love to have him my priority is a world class defensive midfielder. As crap as City were last weekend they still broke on 3 or 4 occasions and we hadn't a midfielder in sight.

byrneg28

Raf32 wrote: »

I dont get the Cavani dislike. Miles better than what we have up top.

First, how is he miles better, did/do you watch Napoli/PSG week in week out? or did you just hear he scored a load of goals in the Daily Mail?

Only proven in two minor leagues (in my opinion)

Would just turn out to be another Shevchenko or Crespo, far too overpriced, far too overpayed and scuffs important chances.

I'd rather have Giroud for 10m and the wage he's on than Cavani who costs 60m+ 200,000 grand a week. To do stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6zoG5jooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIooPI83J0

In particular this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqii8-ABwj0 (go to 04:28, 1-0 down need an away goal to certain team progression to semi final. that is garbage for his price and wage)

No thank you! That's just my opinion on why I wouldn't want him

Nemeses2050

Raf32 wrote: »

I dont get the Cavani dislike. Miles better than what we have up top.

When ever I saw him, he has been poor eg Chelsea and world cup.

Alfred Borden

byrneg28 wrote: »

First, how is he miles better, did/do you watch Napoli/PSG week in week out? or did you just hear he scored a load of goals in the Daily Mail?

Only proven in two minor leagues (in my opinion)

Would just turn out to be another Shevchenko or Crespo, far too overpriced, far too overpayed and scuffs important chances.

I'd rather have Giroud for 10m and the wage he's on than Cavani who costs 60m+ 200,000 grand a week. To do stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6zoG5jooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIooPI83J0

In particular this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqii8-ABwj0 (go to 04:28, 1-0 down need an away goal to certain team progression to semi final. that is garbage for his price and wage)

No thank you! That's just my opinion on why I wouldn't want him

I was a huge follower of him at Napoli. Have only see a bit of him at PSG but his goal record from the left wing is outrageous. I think he matches up well against Giroud and a striker that has never scored for us in a proper game in fairness. A few misses and a bad world cup doesnt make him a bad player. All great strikers have blown some games (Henry could have wrapped up the final in 06 and put us 2-0 up). Serie A was a decent league when he was there, suppose you wouldnt want Pogba or Vidal either so? Anyways wont happen but if we could get him for 50 million, he would be up there with RVP and Aguero in the league for me.

Paj

Cavani to us is just not ever gonna happen.

Muirshin Durkin

Its never gonna happen Raf, and saying Giroud has never scored in an important game for us is harsh, even so he's set up some important goals for us in plenty of "proper" games.

.jacksparrow.

byrneg28 wrote: »

First, how is he miles better, did/do you watch Napoli/PSG week in week out? or did you just hear he scored a load of goals in the Daily Mail?

Only proven in two minor leagues (in my opinion)

Would just turn out to be another Shevchenko or Crespo, far too overpriced, far too overpayed and scuffs important chances.

I'd rather have Giroud for 10m and the wage he's on than Cavani who costs 60m+ 200,000 grand a week. To do stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6zoG5jooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIooPI83J0

In particular this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqii8-ABwj0 (go to 04:28, 1-0 down need an away goal to certain team progression to semi final. that is garbage for his price and wage)

No thank you! That's just my opinion on why I wouldn't want him

Mourinho ruined Sheva, never wanted him and messes him around.

Sheva was one of the beat strikers ever, I think his European record speaks for itself.

Class player.

Alfred Borden

Muirshin Durkin wrote: »

Its never gonna happen Raf, and saying Giroud has never scored in an important game for us is harsh, even so he's set up some important goals for us in plenty of "proper" games.

No i meant giroud and that yaya never scored in a game for us

greendom

Never scored for us in a proper game ? - explanation please !

Alfred Borden

greendom wrote: »

Never scored for us in a proper game ? - explanation please !

I meant yaya

greendom

Raf32 wrote: »

I meant yaya

fair enough ! he will this season

Kirby

byrneg28 wrote: »

First, how is he miles better, did/do you watch Napoli/PSG week in week out? or did you just hear he scored a load of goals in the Daily Mail?

Only proven in two minor leagues (in my opinion)

Well I can't speak for Raf32, but I watched him a ton for Napoli and he was devastating. A mediocre spell at PSG or not, I think he's excellent.

Alfred Borden

greendom wrote: »

fair enough ! he will this season

I do too, i actually think he could really make it

byrneg28

Raf32 wrote: »

I was a huge follower of him at Napoli. Have only see a bit of him at PSG but his goal record from the left wing is outrageous. I think he matches up well against Giroud and a striker that has never scored for us in a proper game in fairness. A few misses and a bad world cup doesnt make him a bad player. All great strikers have blown some games (Henry could have wrapped up the final in 06 and put us 2-0 up). Serie A was a decent league when he was there, suppose you wouldnt want Pogba or Vidal either so? Anyways wont happen but if we could get him for 50 million, he would be up there with RVP and Aguero in the league for me.

Goal record from the left wing is outrageous in Ligue 1, it's a terrible league.

Yeah he matches up well to Giroud alright, he is better in some ways.

I never said people don't miss chances, my argument is if we are to acquire his services it would cost us in excess of 50m transfer fee and ridiculous wages. I just think the money can be spent acquiring a different target, he could come and be dumped into the London Striker graveyard along with Mutu, Crespo and Shevchenko.

Ah this ties up nicely for your Serie A comment. It's an okay league, far superior to Ligue 1 for starts but it's a different dynamic and most strikers who do come from Serie A (see above^) fail pretty miserably. I don't know the technicalities or the differences in football terms but there is a pretty astonishing record of players who come from that league with good goalscoring records who end up in the graveyard in England. I never said I wouldn't acquire the services of Pogba and Vidal, that wasn't my argument, they are great players who would do a great job in many top teams in the world. But whatever way the Italian league is played it kinda over exagerrates players goalscoring records.

And if he is up there with RVP and Aguero, when he was being touted to all great clubs last year, why did he end up at PSG? Why not Chelsea/Man United/Manchester City? It's not like they couldn't afford to match the wages if they really wanted

Muirshin Durkin

Raf32 wrote: »

No i meant giroud and that yaya never scored in a game for us

Apologies. Read it wrong. Still think it would be mental spending that money on him, i honestly dont think we need any more up top.

Mr Blobby

byrneg28 wrote: »

First, how is he miles better, did/do you watch Napoli/PSG week in week out? or did you just hear he scored a load of goals in the Daily Mail?

Only proven in two minor leagues (in my opinion)

Would just turn out to be another Shevchenko or Crespo, far too overpriced, far too overpayed and scuffs important chances.

I'd rather have Giroud for 10m and the wage he's on than Cavani who costs 60m+ 200,000 grand a week. To do stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6zoG5jooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaIooPI83J0

In particular this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqii8-ABwj0 (go to 04:28, 1-0 down need an away goal to certain team progression to semi final. that is garbage for his price and wage)

No thank you! That's just my opinion on why I wouldn't want him

Ok fair enough you don't want Cavani.
But picking out some of his misses to prove your point is kinda weak.

I could easily pick out a bunch of shots that Lewandowski missed and then say he's overrated.. But I don't because its not how you rate players.
Sure I could just show you all the goals Cavani scored in Serie A, to show you that he's a very good striker.

Either way i'd take Cavani in a heartbeat.. But I really don't think it'll happen.

Alfred Borden

Muirshin Durkin wrote: »

Apologies. Read it wrong. Still think it would be mental spending that money on him, i honestly dont think we need any more up top.

Definitely not our #1 priority, but if he doesnt sign a DM, i would love him to go get Cavani. Beginning to think he wont sign a DM now that Arteta is captain

byrneg28

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Ok fair enough you don't want Cavani.
But picking out some of his misses to prove your point is kinda weak.

I could easily pick out a bunch of shots that Lewandowski missed and then say he's overrated.. But I don't because its not how you rate players.
Sure I could just show you all the goals Cavani scored in Serie A, to show you that he's a very good striker.

Either way i'd take Cavani in a heartbeat.. But I really don't think it'll happen.

Fair enough, I'm in work it's tough to write so much, the whole Cavani thing boils my blood, look at my updated comment in reply to a previous poster about posting his misses so to speak.

In short, I'd like Cavani to come to the Premier League just for proof that he's not as prolific as everyone makes out. He'd score 15 goals a season alright but you could pay 15m for Wilfred Bony and get that.

HazDanz

Any of the reliable twitter boys saying anything about Cavani?

Sounds like a load of media rumor rubbish.

Hyzepher

I'm pretty sure that a forward player is unlikely as I believe AW feels we are covered. A CB or DMF is possible but it's just as likely that we sign nobody

Bobby Baccala

HazDanz wrote: »

Any of the reliable twitter boys saying anything about Cavani?

Sounds like a load of media rumor rubbish.

Only place I've seen it mentioned is the likes of the metro and the express

So no.

Mr Blobby

byrneg28 wrote: »

Fair enough, I'm in work it's tough to write so much, the whole Cavani thing boils my blood, look at my updated comment in reply to a previous poster about posting his misses so to speak.

In short, I'd like Cavani to come to the Premier League just for proof that he's not as prolific as everyone makes out. He'd score 15 goals a season alright but you could pay 15m for Wilfred Bony and get that.

Cavani's record in Serie A:

Napoli (2010/2011) - Apps: 32 - GS: 26 - ASSISTS: 6
Napoli (2011/2012) - Apps: 32 - GS: 23 - ASSISTS: 3
Napoli (2012/2013) - Apps: 33 - GS: 29 - ASSISTS: 4

I'd say he'd do a tad better than Bony

byrneg28

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Cavani's record in Serie A:

Napoli (2010/2011) - Apps: 32 - GS: 26 - ASSISTS: 6
Napoli (2011/2012) - Apps: 32 - GS: 23 - ASSISTS: 3
Napoli (2012/2013) - Apps: 33 - GS: 29 - ASSISTS: 4

I'd say he'd do a tad better than Bony

It's nice to just throw stats around and not actually read my post

Nemeses2050

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Only place I've seen it mentioned is the likes of the metro and the express

So no.

+1

Even BBC are copying that from Metro.

"Arsenal are still hopeful of signing PSG striker Edinson Cavani this summer, the Metro reports.
Cavani has previously played down talk of a move, but Spanish journalist Kike Marin says Arsenal are still hoping to do business, and the deal could happen if PSG complete the signing of Real Madrid winger Angel di Maria.
The predicted price tag for the Uruguayan? A cool £51m."

GavRedKing

Cavani scored 14/15 league goals from a wide position last year which is pretty good by anyones standard, granted in the UCL he played upfront against us and missed chance after chance but that was more an exception than the rule.

Play him as a CF and he'll push 20 league goals, the main stumbling block is hes meant to be on 250-275k a week and PSG wouldnt want to lose money on him, plus hes said he likes Paris and doesnt want to leave so I cant see a transfer for Cavani from any team in the near future as much as I'd like to see him in the EPL for Chelsea and we were meant to be in for him last year but PSG came in and offered Napoli more money, job was done.

Pepe LeFrits

In fairness, nobody thought we'd sign Ozil last summer either. We're loaded now, haven't spent a great deal this summer and we did bid £40m for Suarez last year. I wouldn't rule out Wenger making another opportunistic forward signing but whether there'll be an opportunity, dunno.

Gringo180

byrneg28 wrote: »

Fair enough, I'm in work it's tough to write so much, the whole Cavani thing boils my blood, look at my updated comment in reply to a previous poster about posting his misses so to speak.

In short, I'd like Cavani to come to the Premier League just for proof that he's not as prolific as everyone makes out. He'd score 15 goals a season alright but you could pay 15m for Wilfred Bony and get that.

With all due respect to Bony, Edison Cavani is on another planet in terms of quality. Exceptional player who works his socks off and will score 20+ league goals without a shadow of a doubt, he has great vision also, look at the ball he played to Suarez for his first goal against England in the World Cup, the chap is different gravy.

HazDanz

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

In fairness, nobody thought we'd sign Ozil last summer either. We're loaded now, haven't spent a great deal this summer and we did bid £40m for Suarez last year. I wouldn't rule out Wenger making another opportunistic forward signing but whether there'll be an opportunity, dunno.

This is it. If anything we have been parasites with Bale and Suarez deals - waiting for the other clubs to need funds to equal their own big signings and we swoop in to offer big money for "surplus" players.

Di Maria rumor if true to PSG could be our opening if the interest for Cavani is legitimate.

UnknownSpecies

No point even talking about Cavani coming to us. We aren't going to pay 200k+ a week so that's that.

HazDanz

dorgasm wrote: »

No point even talking about Cavani coming to us. We aren't going to pay 200k+ a week so that's that.

Was he getting that figure after clearance of French tax?