Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

UnknownSpecies

hangballlouie wrote: »

Ok let's move on. I posted this a few minutes ago. Wanna discuss?

Given the Giroud situation, I'd take Remy at this stage. He has PL experience which is fairly vital since we'd need him to hit the ground running, especially with the City game coming up soon. Like yourself though, I'd be concerned about the fact he hasn't manage to find another club yet. Ourselves and yerselves were both heavily linked over the summer and nothing came of it, I wonder why that is.

Also, I'd be afraid that Wenger would sign him now since he's all that's available, then be hesitant to go big on a Cavani or Falcao next summer since we'd already have Remy and Giroud. Wenger has a history of keeping the squad just as big (or too small in a lot of people's opinion) as it needs to be, so that worries me.

shano_88

And If will be a big blow if Giroud is out. Ive been critical of him in the past but hes still our best striker. I will be dissapointed if hes out and hes not replaced. I dont think he will be either, I think we will just hold onto Podolski and stick with Sanogo, Sanchez, Campbell up top. I dont think that will be good enough though.

Centre back, Defensive midfielder, Striker. I cant see us getting all 3 in a week.

shano_88

Wass it ever revealed why Remy failed his medical at Liverpool?

Hangballlouie

shano_88 wrote: »

Wass it ever revealed why Remy failed his medical at Liverpool?

No it's a strange one. I've read it was his knee, his heart and apparently he failed a drug test. I'm sure the reasoning will come out soon enough.

wandatowell

Christ just seen the reports on Giroud. Really hope it's not as serious as it looks, cos their ain't a hope in hell Arsene will sign a replacement.

Maybe Wenger was saving up for Sanogo's shooting boots?

liamygunner29

We needed one with Giroud, we surely need one now. It would be incredibly negligent and a complete waste of Cup momentum to put ourselves into a sticky situation so early in the season. I would be hugely hugely disappointed. Remy should be an option at the very least. I could see him being fantastic at Arsenal, a man who can simply put the ball in the net, no shaping or bringing others into the game or whatever the **** else we try and get out of our strikers. Just a goal getter, which is something we could very well utilize with the quality of passers, playmakers and creative midfielders we have. Nice and cheap at 8 million and good and French.

Reports were that he had failed medicals before for a hole in heart kinda thing but its all shrouded in secrecy.

Surely we won't go without a striker? It would make such a difference to that team.

Some information from his wiki page:

During Rémy's press conference, Marseille president Jean-Claude Dassier revealed that, during the player's medical, tests revealed that Rémy suffered from a possible heart defect. Rémy missed the team's league match against Lorient on 21 August and further tests were conducted on 23 August to determine whether the defect could be career-threatening.[41][42] On 24 August, Rémy was declared fit to practice and play the sport of football at a high level by Marseille doctors and heart specialists consulted by the club.

Completly conflicting information from the bauld Arry here: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/harry-redknapp-loic-remy-qpr-liverpool

“I don’t really see how he could have failed a medical,” Redknapp said.

“He had a stringent medical here - one at Marseilles, at Newcastle and with the French team at the World Cup.

“He’s never had a problem with his fitness - you couldn’t meet a fitter lad.

“I’ve seen the story break but I don’t know how there can be an issue with his fitness - he’s got no problems whatsoever.

“There must have been a breakdown or they’ve changed their mind or they’ve decided to move in another direction."

UnknownSpecies

Maybe Liverpool got word that Balotelli was available and willing to move to them, so they pulled out of the Remy deal last minute? I know there's a gap in time there but there was probably ongoing negotiations with Milan during it. I doubt we'll ever know the real circumstances for sure though.

Mr Blobby

dorgasm wrote: »

Maybe Liverpool got word that Balotelli was available and willing to move to them, so they pulled out of the Remy deal last minute? I know there's a gap in time there but there was probably ongoing negotiations with Milan during it. I doubt we'll ever know the real circumstances for sure though.

Was thinking the same thing.

gosplan

B-b-b-b-but I thought this season we weren't going to get injuries!?

gosplan wrote: »

You have a lot if very valid points button but stuff like this is why people discount your valuable, well thought out opinions.

Think and then say again that the transfer window this year has been the same as every other year.

If it had been, we'd be playing Jenks with Bellerin on the bench for entire back line cover and we'd also be begging for a bit of creativity and pace up front.

Nah we'd be playing through niggles. We get that ****ing many that it's probably worth the risk to just play the best 11 we have at the instant that the form has to be filled out.

Add Podolski in and the pattern actually regresses. Just saying. :pac:

batistuta9 wrote: »

if the below is true; Falcao or J.Martinez, martinez has a release clause of 35m.

i rather cavani but don't think he'd be gettable

Take Falcao before Martinez. Risk with a massive pay-off if it works. Not that arsed with Martinez.

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why oh why do we get the raw deal with injuries every season.

We should almost be used to it. :pac:

Welbeck:(

First time in a while I've said this in all seriousness, don't be so ****ing negative. :P

fearrua

Gibbs, Arteta, Walcott, Giroud and Koscielny (maybe).... Is it February already or something?

Soups123

Look at other clubs, United & Liverpool for example they are picking injuries up too.

It's unfortunate but it's not only us!

Very nervous that Arsene will try plug it until Giroud is back

overpronator

We are all watching Arsenal and Arsene long enough to know what's in store, there is no contingency plan, its gonna be a wait and see job and we may get an opportunistic signing. That is looking the case for all 3 positions at this stage. Maybe that's overly negative but its been this way for nearly 10 years now and sadly I can't see any different. I really hope I'm wrong.

Marty McFly

There can be no excuses if we don't sign a CF now.

I was hoping for one anyway but now it's a must no ifs or buts.

Kirby

Somebody told me they thought he got injured when celebrating. That cant be true, can it? I assumed he was kicked or something.

UnknownSpecies

Kirby wrote: »

Somebody told me they thought he got injured when celebrating. That cant be true, can it? I assumed he was kicked or something.

Not when celebrating. I'm sure it was from a clearance after his goal.

Drexel

Is Sanogo injured as well? Reading an article about Giroud and this was in it

Yaya Sanogo, his early season understudy, has been struggling with a hamstring injury

greendom

He went to Block a Distin clearance, people are saying that it was the ball that injured him but there must have been contact from Distin

Kirby

Wenger should splash the cash and go get Cavani.

greendom

Kirby wrote: »

Wenger should splash the cash and go get Cavani.

Don't think PSG will sell. Di Maria isn't heading to Paris now and Ibra is injured

Kirby

He wants to leave though. Player power and all that. And I think he'd rather like to be the main man as opposed to Ibra's water carrier.

I'll admit that I want to see him at Arsenal. I think he would have suited Chelsea too but they went and got Costa. It makes sense as a transfer in my opinion.

Ed Winchester

Kirby wrote: »

He wants to leave though. Player power and all that. And I think he'd rather like to be the main man as opposed to Ibra's water carrier.

I'll admit that I want to see him at Arsenal. I think he would have suited Chelsea too but they went and got Costa. It makes sense as a transfer in my opinion.

60mill for a water carrier? Seems steep to me!

greendom

Kirby wrote: »

He wants to leave though. Player power and all that. And I think he'd rather like to be the main man as opposed to Ibra's water carrier.

I'll admit that I want to see him at Arsenal. I think he would have suited Chelsea too but they went and got Costa. It makes sense as a transfer in my opinion.

It makes no sense whatsoever to PSG.

Kirby

Ed Winchester wrote: »

60mill for a water carrier? Seems steep to me!

Everyone who plays with Ibra who isn't Ibra, ends up being his water carrier.

Ken Shamrock

Giroud is a shame, if i recall correctly he landed awkwardly on his ankle and went over right before the final whistle, fingers crossed it's not the 3 months being reported but as someone said hopefully it forces Wenger's hand.

With or without Giroud we have no excuses's 2mo night, we should comfortably progress at home with the quality in our team, hopefully someone steps up to the plate, we need someone other than Ramsey to take a game by the scruff.

I'm looking forward to the match 2mo as i know we'll win, we never miss out on CL and this will be no different, i'm also quite excited about the potential transfers, i know we normally do some silly signing around now but after Sanchez and Chambers i'm really expecting Wenger to surprise us all.

Irish Aris

I dunno, Wenger was never one to rush in for a player. If he doesn't already have someone on his radar I'd consider highly unlikely that he would decide on one in such a short period of time. Hopefully he will have a couple of options, otherwise it might be a case where Podolski stays for now.

Although ever the optimist, I'll admit that I am a bit worried about the game tomorrow. Haven't seen the first game so I don't know how good Besiktas is, but these 0-0 draws can get tricky-if they score 1, we then need 2. With Ramsey and Giroud out (and the team not exactly clicking at the moment), I don't see this being a walk in the park.

Hyzepher

Although injuries are part and parcel of the game, for Arsenal, it shows a issue that we have with squad management. There is one thing to have a squad full of talented players and for the most part Arsenal do have this, however, it's more important to have a squad of the right players so when injuries pop up you have a ready made replacement already in the squad and don't have this panic all the time.

Unfortunately this is where we are and have been for a while. Player A get injured and the only alternative is to put someone in who is out of position. It happened with Walcott last year, Gibbs every second week when TV had to step in, Kos this year, etc.

Even when we feel that we have cover it seems to effect our shape and ability to play. Not to mention that we overplay our best players anyway.

I'm sure AW felt that we had adequate rotation options up front but do we have adequate cover now that Giroud is injured. It's one thing giving the second string a run out now and again but an entirely differnent thing to have one of them step in for an extended period.

Oranage2

Girouds injury hopefully means we buy a better striker, sure we might be fleeced but as a fan I don't care that much about the financial side, I want to see quality players playing quality football and there's no excuses arsenal are one of the richest clubs in the world.

cson

Hyzepher wrote: »

Although injuries are part and parcel of the game, for Arsenal, it shows a issue that we have with squad management. There is one thing to have a squad full of talented players and for the most part Arsenal do have this, however, it's more important to have a squad of the right players so when injuries pop up you have a ready made replacement already in the squad and don't have this panic all the time.

Unfortunately this is where we are and have been for a while. Player A get injured and the only alternative is to put someone in who is out of position. It happened with Walcott last year, Gibbs every second week when TV had to step in, Kos this year, etc.

LB is a great example imo; Gibbs is injured you've a Spanish International coming in for him to do a job. I know Monreal gets a lot of stick but he's as good a second choice LB as there is out there.

Just need to replicate that across the pitch.

Can't see us getting Carvalho plus a striker now either which is annoying as we really do need a longer term option in that holding midfield position.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I'd like Bony for the striker if we get one. Don't think Cavani or Falcao will be possible. PSG don't have any other strikers when Ibra is out

DenMan

Been linked with Torino's Cerci this morning!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396349/Arsenal-line-up-16m-Torino-ace-Alessio-Cerci-with-Olivier-Giroud-facing-THREE-months-out

greendom

DenMan wrote: »

Been linked with Torino's Cerci this morning!

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396349/Arsenal-line-up-16m-Torino-ace-Alessio-Cerci-with-Olivier-Giroud-facing-THREE-months-out

Di Marizio running with that as well. He's generally quite reliable.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Ornstein has been quiet for a good while, maybe we'll hear from him in the coming days.

Skylinehead

Cerci's a very good player, but he's not a lead-the-line kind of guy.

Mickeroo

His scoring record is terrible if he's a CF.

Skylinehead

More of a winger really, which we don't need.

greendom

Mickeroo wrote: »

His scoring record is terrible if he's a CF.

Absolutely, no way could he be considered a replacement for Giroud

Ed Winchester

What would people here think of Bony?

Ken Shamrock

Ed Winchester wrote: »

What would people here think of Bony?

I'd be all for it, i think he's a great player, quick and strong, proven goal scorer in the PL with a much lesser team than ours.

Edit: PL 34 games 16 goals
Giroud 36 games 16 goals

Mickeroo

Ed Winchester wrote: »

What would people here think of Bony?

I think Bony would be the best option from any striker available in the PL anyway. Would have him over Remy any day.

Ed Winchester

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think Bony would be the best option from any striker available in the PL anyway. Would have him over Remy any day.

That's kinda the way i'm looking at it too. He won't be cheap though. I'd say it'll be 20+

.jacksparrow.

I know Wenger couldn't have foreseen this but its what happens when you leave things till the last minute.

Most of the decent strikers are snapped up, clubs are less likely to sell given the time left and now they know we need a striker.

Really don't know why we have left it this long.

emergingstar

The plan I bet was always to play Sanchez through the middle once he settles

I bet wenger will just speed up this and use sanogo sparingly

They won't be any new forward signings

Mickeroo

emergingstar wrote: »

The plan I bet was always to play Sanchez through the middle once he settles

I bet wenger will just speed up this and use sanogo sparingly

They won't be any new forward signings

Unfortunately I think you're probably right. Will be very interested to see how we line up tomorrow night.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Bony has a good goal scoring record and PL experience. Would definitely have him over Remy or Welbeck. Main issue would be African cup of nations

tayto lover

Marty McFly wrote: »

There can be no excuses if we don't sign a CF now.

I was hoping for one anyway but now it's a must no ifs or buts.

Not a hope.
We didn't buy to cover Walcott's injury last season and suffered as a result but we won't learn from that. I can't see anymore signings.

GillespieRoad

IF Giroud is out for the three months then my bet is that we will sign someone on loan ala Remy or Ba quality. Wenger is a big fan of Giroud and has recently said that he's 'improving all the time'. I very much doubt he'll sign a big name striker just to keep Olivier on the bench from November/December on.

Alfred Borden

Knex. wrote: »

I rarely post here, and when I did it was fairly constructive, even if I am saying so myself.

As for the last part of your post, just as there was a rise in Pool fans sniping at Arsenal, there was a rise in Arsenal fans sniping at pool.

Tomato, tomato. Your supporters aren't somehow better or worse than our own.



Realistically, that post is just going to attract the people you claim you don't want in the thread. You posted it for thanks, and as a pot shot. May well be a fair shot, but at least be honest as to why you posted it! I know that's exactly why I would have posted it :pac:

I didnt post it for thanks and definitely not as a potshot because it was long before the game and could have came back to bite me if it went a different way :pac: It was just my opinion at the time so i posted it, nothing against Liverpool or any club.

omega man

I suspect wenger won't panic and splash the cash on a top CF, it's just not how he operates.

Hopefully he'll sign a half decent CF to cover Girouds injury. If he doesn't and does what I worry he'll do and plug the hole from within the current squad then expect us to be out of the title race by Christmas, if not earlier.

Remember whatever the club say Giroud is expected to be out for you can safely add 4-6 weeks onto that. Our injury record is now borderling on negligence or we are indeed cursed........

Alfred Borden

If he was fit, i would be all over Benteke. suits our game with so much more potential.