Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

gosplan

Think the absolute best we'd be able to do is offer Real a wedge for Benzema and hope they move on Falcao.

That won't happen though.

Wenger sees Sanchez as a striker IMO and would plan to play him like Suarez eventually, not on the wing.

He'll just accelerate that process as use Sanogo as well.

We'll be fine but won't compete for the title.

wandatowell

gosplan wrote: »

He'll just accelerate that process as use Sanogo as well.

We'll be fine but won't compete for the title.

This was my impression also. 110% clusterf*ck of situation and nothing will be done to remedy it. If Giroud is out for 3 months then Arsene will just ride out the sh*tness for a few months then welcome back Oliver as our January signing.


Plus, didnt he say only the other week that he wont be signing a striker? Then just forget about us signing a forward who is anywhere near approaching the quality needed as how will Arsene manage to squeeze two notable strikers in when Giroud is fit again?

I'd love to know how other managers cope with having more than one decent striker in a squad of 25 or however many players they have.

Marty McFly

gosplan wrote: »

Think the absolute best we'd be able to do is offer Real a wedge for Benzema and hope they move on Falcao.

That won't happen though.

Wenger sees Sanchez as a striker IMO and would plan to play him like Suarez eventually, not on the wing.

He'll just accelerate that process as use Sanogo as well.

We'll be fine but won't compete for the title.

For me not competing is not fine though we have the money now and have spent large sums on players the last two summer's.

A challenge for the title is bare minimum imo.

byrneg28

Marty McFly wrote: »

For me not competing is not fine though we have the money now and have spent large sums on players the last two summer's.

A challenge for the title is bare minimum imo.

It's not a race like Spurs and Liverpool think, we are slowly building a squad that will compete in 1-2 years time.

Look how long it took City's project to take off or be that Chelsea.. and they were spending astronomically!

Yes of course we will challenge for the title, we are always going to challenge for it.. I just think what the OP means is, it's unlikely with the squad we have at this point that a serious title challenge is likely.

But things change, if Wenger decides to suit Sanchez and Ozil a bit more in this squad we could get somewhere.. maybe Giroud getting injured could be a good thing, forces AW to look from a different tactical perspective..

greendom

wandatowell wrote: »

This was my impression also. 110% clusterf*ck of situation and nothing will be done to remedy it. If Giroud is out for 3 months then Arsene will just ride out the sh*tness for a few months then welcome back Oliver as our January signing.


Plus, didnt he say only the other week that he wont be signing a striker? Then just forget about us signing a forward who is anywhere near approaching the quality needed as how will Arsene manage to squeeze two notable strikers in when Giroud is fit again?

I'd love to know how other managers cope with having more than one decent striker in a squad of 25 or however many players they have.

Chelsea seem to be giving it a go with Costa

byrneg28

byrneg28 wrote: »

It's not a race like Spurs and Liverpool think, we are slowly building a squad that will compete in 1-2 years time.

Look how long it took City's project to take off or be that Chelsea.. and they were spending astronomically!

Yes of course we will challenge for the title, we are always going to challenge for it.. I just think what the OP means is, it's unlikely with the squad we have at this point that a serious title challenge is likely.

But things change, if Wenger decides to suit Sanchez and Ozil a bit more in this squad we could get somewhere.. maybe Giroud getting injured could be a good thing, forces AW to look from a different tactical perspective..

I dunno, we aren't coming up from down the table like they were, and they had to pay the big money to attract players to the club. We should be competing now, we were last year, and anything less will be a step back. If we wait for a couple more years, then a bunch of decent players will be nearing the end of their contracts. If we aren't seriously competing, they will be looking for the exit door.

Regarding the striker situation, I'm sure we all agree it's best to expect nothing to happen, and be pleasantly surprised if it does.

.jacksparrow.

gosplan wrote: »

Think the absolute best we'd be able to do is offer Real a wedge for Benzema and hope they move on Falcao.

That won't happen though.

Wenger sees Sanchez as a striker IMO and would plan to play him like Suarez eventually, not on the wing.

He'll just accelerate that process as use Sanogo as well.

We'll be fine but won't compete for the title.

How is it fine we won't be competing for the title????

overpronator

Marty McFly wrote: »

For me not competing is not fine though we have the money now and have spent large sums on players the last two summer's.

A challenge for the title is bare minimum imo.

Agreed, anything less than a proper title challenge this year is abject failure. Try telling the people paying at least £1000 for a season ticket that yet again were essentially just not gonna bother competing.

Awesomeness

I feel we will still challenge.

Wasnt long ago people were hoping for a front 3 of Theo, Alexis and OX with Ozil in behind. That is very much still on and with Santi , Poldi , Sanogo and Campbell to play a part.

Another striker would be great but either way I think we will be grand

Alfred Borden

If we dont buy a DM and a striker, third is the best we can hope for. Lets get through tonight and hopefully get the additions.

emergingstar

I don't get why everyone is fretting

He won't buy a striker ( I think ) but we will still challenge

I don't see it as an that much of an important issue

Marty McFly

Awesomeness wrote: »

I feel we will still challenge.

Wasnt long ago people were hoping for a front 3 of Theo, Alexis and OX with Ozil in behind. That is very much still on and with Santi , Poldi , Sanogo and Campbell to play a part.

Another striker would be great but either way I think we will be grand

I think we will still compete and I haven't given up hope of at least filling one of our problem positions.

I just don't get the mentallity of we won't compete it's fine.

Ed Winchester

Assuming we get through tonight. Everything will kick into overdrive from tomorrow until Monday.
Strap in lads, its gonna get wild!


I hope...

Awesomeness

Marty McFly wrote: »

I think we will still compete and I haven't given up hope of at least filling one of our problem positions.

I just don't get the mentallity of we won't compete it's fine.

Agreed. I am sure we will compete though even if we stay as we are

Would expect one more signing to to help

gosplan

Marty McFly wrote: »

For me not competing is not fine though we have the money now and have spent large sums on players the last two summer's.

A challenge for the title is bare minimum imo.

Granted. I think though that even with a fit Giroud, unless Wally came back in serious form and Sanchez bedded in straight away, we weren't challenging anyway.

It could have all come together but I would have thought that was another year and a signing or two down the line.

At this stage though I'll be delighted if we beat the Turks and Leicester before the break.

wawaman

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Assuming we get through tonight. Everything will kick into overdrive from tomorrow until Monday.
Strap in lads, its gonna get wild!


I hope...

Ed Winchester

wawaman wrote: »

Patience camel.

maximoose

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

That why I can't wait to go to EP at the weekend, keep away from it all for the most part.

Last year I came back to Wenger's smirk and Ozil signing! :pac:

I remember that! Arrived back in to the house late in the afternoon, badly hungover, stinking of mud, and deeply depressed about the prospect of back to work the next day. Got the phone charging again after a few days of no battery, bbc news - wtf? Ozil has signed?!

Similar again please

.jacksparrow.

No way our defence could cope with all the games as it is.

We need another 1 cb at least.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Ornstein speaks to douse hopes of a striker

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 24s
#AFC unlikely to sign striker despite Giroud injury. Not definitive but current plan is existing options rather than buy/loan #bbcsportsday

Alfred Borden

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Ornstein speaks to douse hopes of a striker

Hopefully its the club playing it down so clubs dont know how desperate we are. Probably deluding myself

Fuzzy_Dunlop

He's now said this too on CB/DM.

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 1m
#AFC still want CB/DMF (maybe someone who can do both) but likely to be squad player not big name as (esp CB) will be back-up #bbcsportsday

Not great either, although could still be hinting at Carvahlo I guess.

emergingstar

We need the DM/CB it hybrid for both

Striker options are good

Marty McFly

gosplan wrote: »

Granted. I think though that even with a fit Giroud, unless Wally came back in serious form and Sanchez bedded in straight away, we weren't challenging anyway.

It could have all come together but I would have thought that was another year and a signing or two down the line.

At this stage though I'll be delighted if we beat the Turks and Leicester before the break.

True the injury to Giroud does heap more pressure on Sanchez and Walcott to return at full tilt or for one of the others to Campbell , Sanogo or Podolski to really step up to the plate can they I don't know.

I also expect at least one more signing before the window closes minimum.

We finished 7 points off top last season a season were injuries were our biggest achilles heal although that shows no signs of stopping this season we have improved our first 11 with Debuchy and Sanchez.

I still expect us to be there or there abouts come the end of the season although I do see it being a very tight league again this season were your just as likely to finish 1st or 4th.

Nemeses2050

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Ornstein speaks to douse hopes of a striker

Yes Ornstein has spoken and it's not good news for us...

"#AFC still want CB/DMF (maybe someone who can do both) but likely to be squad player not big name as (esp CB) will be back-up #bbcsportsday" :eek:

Ed Winchester

How much is Carvalho likely to cost if he is sold?

Mickeroo

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

He's now said this too on CB/DM.



Not great either, although could still be hinting at Carvahlo I guess.

I think he constitutes a big name though.

Marty McFly

Always take what Ornstein says with a pinch of salt in the same manner you take Wengers press conferences.

Alfred Borden

Kim Kallstrom with an emotional return to the Emirates? :pac:

emergingstar

I hate the transfer window

Massive game tonight and all were worried about is signings

Colonialboy

I think wenger has amnesia and deja vu at the same time.
He has forgotten that we needed a striker , again.
Its the same mistakes being made over and over.

All our eggs in one big French basket.
Any chance Wenger could develop a striker and develop a CB from some home grown talent.
Back in the day thats what managers did.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think he constitutes a big name though.

Yeah maybe. Bah.

Would be very disappointing we only end up signing one or two squad players.

Mickeroo

emergingstar wrote: »

I hate the transfer window

Massive game tonight and all were worried about is signings

Actually can't remember being this worried about a CL qualifier since Udinese went a goal up.

Marty McFly

emergingstar wrote: »

I hate the transfer window

Massive game tonight and all were worried about is signings

I think most are using the transfer speculation as a way of distracting away from match day nerves

Hyzepher

One one hand I'm seriously worried about the Giroud injury and the lack of options. On the other I'm not sure our style actually needs a striker. It's not as if Chelsea haven't finished above us last year with no effective striker. And to listen to this thread sometimes you'd be forgiven in thinking that Giroud is crap anyway.

I love Giroud and i think he's been underrated severely. I'd love a big name striker to join but they won't. I am holding out for a DM to help solidify us at the back but not confident that will happen either

Where's the match on tonight?

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

Where's the match on tonight?

RTE have it anyway.

2ndcoming

Colonialboy wrote: »

I think wenger has amnesia and deja vu at the same time.
He has forgotten that we needed a striker , again.
Its the same mistakes being made over and over.

All our eggs in one big French basket.
Any chance Wenger could develop a striker and develop a CB from some home grown talent.
Back in the day thats what managers did.

Yes, because taking a young prospect and developing him into a world class player is obviously something Wenger has never done.

Paj

2ndcoming wrote: »

Yes, because taking a young prospect and developing him into a world class player is obviously something Wenger has never done.

gonna have to disagree with you there, I think he's done it on numerous occasions.

Ken Shamrock

Paj wrote: »

gonna have to disagree with you there, I think he's done it on numerous occasions.

I believe that's called sarcasm.

.jacksparrow.

Hyzepher wrote: »

One one hand I'm seriously worried about the Giroud injury and the lack of options. On the other I'm not sure our style actually needs a striker. It's not as if Chelsea haven't finished above us last year with no effective striker. And to listen to this thread sometimes you'd be forgiven in thinking that Giroud is crap anyway.

I love Giroud and i think he's been underrated severely. I'd love a big name striker to join but they won't. I am holding out for a DM to help solidify us at the back but not confident that will happen either

Chelsea finished ahead of us without a top striker,now they have that.

Liverpool and city scored over a 100 goals, we scored 68, goals obviously was a problem so how you reckon we will be ok without our top striker is confusing.

So how much too early do we expect Walcott to be rushed back? :P

Paj

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I believe that's called sarcasm.

i was joking

Ken Shamrock

Deleted User wrote: »

So how much too early do we expect Walcott to be rushed back? :P

Him and gibbs should be back after the break according to Wenger, i fear by the time our team settles and we have positions sorted up front it will be too late

Hyzepher

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Chelsea finished ahead of us without a top striker,now they have that.

Liverpool and city scored over a 100 goals, we scored 68, goals obviously was a problem so how you reckon we will be ok without our top striker is confusing.

Not saying that we'll be ok without a striker. I did say that I'd like a striker signed.

I am saying that it's not unprecedented that teams perform without strikers - maybe not us but some

greendom

Deleted User wrote: »

So how much too early do we expect Walcott to be rushed back? :P

With this new fitness guy in, not a chance..

Alfred Borden

Was someone here saying the other day that we have two spaces available for Non home grown players. with Girouds injury, there would be no point registering him for Europe until the new year, does this leave 3 spots now?

king Henry 14

If wenger doesn't get in a striker he should be charged with negligence. Yes he can try Walcott, Sanchez, Campbell or maybe ospina at this stage but none of these guys are natural strikers. Centre forward is a specialised position and you don't head into a new season hoping a midfielder will work out in the striker role. We are not paupers for f;ck sake. Spend the money and get what we need and put an end to this sh;t once and for all. We've needed a striker for two years and wenger keeps signing midfielders where we are overloaded.the man needs to sort his priorities out.:mad:

Nemeses2050

Twitter linking us with ZIGIC :eek:

Irish Aris

greendom wrote: »

With this new fitness guy in, not a chance..

I agree on that one, I wouldn't hold my breath that Theo will have a big impact immediately after such a long injury.

I wonder if a system with Podolski up front, Ozil behind him and Sanchez/Ox on the wings could work? I know he has been tried on a couple of occasions and didn't really work but I am thinking of a fox-in-the-box role (not that hold-up thing we play with Giroud). I reckon we all agree that he is a clinical finisher.