Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Notes in OP 24/08

Nemeses2050

Bony is definitely up for sale.

Monk is inviting offers.

""When you get a formal offer is perhaps when you worry about it, but I'm prepared to use them both," says Monk. "If someone comes in with an offer, that's the only time you think about it."

greendom

Raf32 wrote: »

Was someone here saying the other day that we have two spaces available for Non home grown players. with Girouds injury, there would be no point registering him for Europe until the new year, does this leave 3 spots now?

No official confirmation on the length of Giroud's injury just yet

Alfred Borden

greendom wrote: »

No official confirmation on the length of Giroud's injury just yet

Ah most papers are running with it. We are keeping it quiet to act like we are not desperate imo :pac:

emergingstar

When we don't sign a new striker can we not go mental until it actually affects us

Alfred Borden

emergingstar wrote: »

When we don't sign a new striker can we not go mental until it actually affects us

Man City in two weeks so :pac:

Soups123

emergingstar wrote: »

When we don't sign a new striker can we not go mental until it actually affects us

I certainly wouldnt go mental but it will be pure and utter **** if we don't!

Soups123

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

Twitter linking us with ZIGIC :eek:

On a completely unrelated and non soccer comment!

Everytime I see your name on a post if reminds me of the Nemeses Inferno scene from the inbetweeners and I have a little chuckle

Fuzzy_Dunlop

emergingstar wrote: »

When we don't sign a new striker can we not go mental until it actually affects us

Maybe you're right and Sanchez/Sanogo/ whoever will do well up top. But there's absolutely no reason for us to be taking a chance leaving ourselves so short in this position, especially knowing Giroud will be out for a significant amount of time.

We started off very well in this transfer window, but are still possibly going to end up back in the situation where we knowingly leave ourselves short of quality.

Colonialboy

2ndcoming wrote: »

Yes, because taking a young prospect and developing him into a world class player is obviously something Wenger has never done.

like I said ... Any chance Wenger could develop a striker and develop a CB from some home grown talent.
Back in the day thats what managers did.

Feel free to give an example ....

Mr Blobby

Giroud being injured doesn't change the fact that we needed a striker anyway.

It'll be absolutely crazy if we don't sign a forward... Not to mention it'll make it nearly impossible to challenge for the league.

Soups123

Colonialboy wrote: »

like I said ... Any chance Wenger could develop a striker and develop a CB from some home grown talent.
Back in the day thats what managers did.

Feel free to give an example ....

Back in days it was done as football was not as financially driven as it is now.

It was also a time when fans were willing to allow the manager time to develop talent but nowadays fans like yourself are too inpatient

Colonialboy

Soups123 wrote: »

Back in days it was done as football was not as financially driven as it is now.

It was also a time when fans were willing to allow the manager time to develop talent but nowadays fans like yourself are too inpatient

complete bollix.

Maybe you havent looked at the Arsenal Squad , where the fk did Walcott and Ox come from ... Ever heard of the Southampton FC youth academy
Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana all been with Southampton and graduated in the same academy year as Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott

Like I said if anyone can find striker or CB that wenger has developed from homegrown talent ... reply here..

king Henry 14

emergingstar wrote: »

When we don't sign a new striker can we not go mental until it actually affects us

Not making any promises.

Awesomeness

Colonialboy wrote: »

complete bollix.

Maybe you havent looked at the Arsenal Squad , where the fk did Walcott and Ox come from ... Ever heard of the Southampton FC youth academy
Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana all been with Southampton and graduated in the same academy year as Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott

Like I said if anyone can find striker or CB that wenger has developed from homegrown talent ... reply here..

Why does it have to be a striker.

What about Gibbs, Cole , Wilshere

Or the others that have learned and developed careers just not quite good enough for Arsenal - Upson, Bentley, Pennant, Lansbury, Muamba

Spanish Johnny

He may well have Theo lined up as a striker when he returns. This may be a huge factor here. Theo just returning....signed a new contract with some guarantees that he would play through the middle. That contract is running down again very soon. If he is kept on the right again he goes?

Might be a bit off but I wouldn't rule that out in being a significant factor. Maybe that's why he primarily bought Ozil? To provide for Theo through the middle.

Mr Blobby

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

He may well have Theo lined up as a striker when he returns. This may be a huge factor here. Theo just returning....signed a new contract with some guarantees that he would play through the middle. That contract is running down again very soon. If he is kept on the right again he goes?

Might be a bit off but I wouldn't rule that out in being a significant factor. Maybe that's why he primarily bought Ozil? To provide for Theo through the middle.

So we're going to be relying on a player who's barely played as a lone forward and is only just coming back from nearly a 12 month injury?

...Great

Spanish Johnny

Awesomeness wrote: »

Why does it have to be a striker.

What about Gibbs, Cole , Wilshere

Or the others that have learned and developed careers just not quite good enough for Arsenal - Upson, Bentley, Pennant, Lansbury, Muamba

Exactly...and what one manager developed all that Southampton talent?? None.

Why must it be specifically homegrown? There is no argument Wenger is excellent at deveoping young talent. And increasing the talents of others and varying it.

I am amused at times also when speaking to fans who don't remember how flaky Henry was and what he became.

Spanish Johnny

Mr Blobby wrote: »

So we're going to be relying on a player who's barely played as a lone forward and is only just coming back from nearly a 12 month injury?

...Great

Who said that?

Sanogo, Sanchez, Walcott and Podolski are the forward options we have in the squad at present.

Everyone of them has experience as a striker.

I want one I am just pointing out the existing options. We are not down to one striker.

Colonialboy

Awesomeness wrote: »

Why does it have to be a striker.

What about Gibbs, Cole , Wilshere

Or the others that have learned and developed careers just not quite good enough for Arsenal - Upson, Bentley, Pennant, Lansbury, Muamba

So I take it you cant find any strikers or CBs that Wengers developed from home grown talent.

If your asking 'Why does it have to be a striker ' , I give up...

gosplan

Colonialboy wrote: »

So I take it you cant find any strikers or CBs that Wengers developed from home grown talent.

If your asking 'Why does it have to be a striker ' , I give up...

Seriously, what are you on about?

Give me the homegrown Utd, Chelsea or City strikers.

If you're in the CL, chances are you have foreign strikers.

But yes, you're correct. Everyone will happily admitt that.

extra gravy

Colonialboy wrote: »

like I said ... Any chance Wenger could develop a striker and develop a CB from some home grown talent.
Back in the day thats what managers did.

Feel free to give an example ....

Like United, City, Chelsea or Pool have done? None of their main strikers or CBs are homegrown. Football is global now, managers don't have to limit themselves to the way things were done "back in the day." He did develop Anelka, Adebayor, Henry, RVP...none of whom had set the world alight before they joined. He plucked Koscielny from Ligue 2. But I suppose none of those count because they're not homegrown.

Colonialboy

Spanish Johnny wrote: »

Exactly...and what one manager developed all that Southampton talent?? None.

Why must it be specifically homegrown? There is no argument Wenger is excellent at deveoping young talent. And increasing the talents of others and varying it.

I am amused at times also when speaking to fans who don't remember how flaky Henry was and what he became.

We paid 11 million for Henry , he was a full international and had played for 5 seasons at the top level for Monaco and Juventus. Hardly qualifies as developing young talent.

I disagree , I dont think Wenger is excellent at developing young talent.
Southampton seem to be good at it, Everton are good at it too, and Barca, Ajax and Bayern seem to be great at it.

I see Ektobe got a nice brace last night , wonder what hes thinking .
Or Campbell , will he get a chance.
Wenger never goes back on a decision, his Gallic sytuck up french nose would never allow him to . He wont be recalling anyone he has already said wasnt part of his plans.
Theres alot of youngsters who came thru Arsenal with high hopes and big promises and talk from Wenger who then cut them lose and in doing so Im sure destroyed their confidence.

Soups123

Colonialboy wrote: »

complete bollix.

Maybe you havent looked at the Arsenal Squad , where the fk did Walcott and Ox come from ... Ever heard of the Southampton FC youth academy
Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana all been with Southampton and graduated in the same academy year as Gareth Bale and Theo Walcott

Like I said if anyone can find striker or CB that wenger has developed from homegrown talent ... reply here..

Okay so you want to be a Southampton type club that dropped to League One while all this talent was going through?

You can't have your cake and eat it. You want us to challenge for the PL, have WC players whilst also bring through Southampton type talent.

For me Arsene gets it about right

Ed Winchester

Colonialboy wrote: »

We paid 11 million for Henry , he was a full international and had played for 5 seasons at the top level for Monaco and Juventus. Hardly qualifies as developing young talent.

I disagree , I dont think Wenger is excellent at developing young talent.
Southampton seem to be good at it, Everton are good at it too, and Barca, Ajax and Bayern seem to be great at it.

I see Ektobe got a nice brace last night , wonder what hes thinking .
Or Campbell , will he get a chance.
Wenger never goes back on a decision, his Gallic sytuck up french nose would never allow him to . He wont be recalling anyone he has already said wasnt part of his plans.
Theres alot of youngsters who came thru Arsenal with high hopes and big promises and talk from Wenger who then cut them lose and in doing so Im sure destroyed their confidence.

Are you Anthony Stokes?

Soups123

Colonialboy wrote: »

We paid 11 million for Henry , he was a full international and had played for 5 seasons at the top level for Monaco and Juventus. Hardly qualifies as developing young talent.

I disagree , I dont think Wenger is excellent at developing young talent.
Southampton seem to be good at it, Everton are good at it too, and Barca, Ajax and Bayern seem to be great at it.

I see Ektobe got a nice brace last night , wonder what hes thinking .
Or Campbell , will he get a chance.
Wenger never goes back on a decision, his Gallic sytuck up french nose would never allow him to . He wont be recalling anyone he has already said wasnt part of his plans.
Theres alot of youngsters who came thru Arsenal with high hopes and big promises and talk from Wenger who then cut them lose and in doing so Im sure destroyed their confidence.

I havent got a clue what poiny you are even trying to make. There is so much wrong with the above its impossible to start

Colonialboy

extra gravy wrote: »

Like United, City, Chelsea or Pool have done? None of their main strikers or CBs are homegrown. Football is global now, managers don't have to limit themselves to the way things were done "back in the day." He did develop Anelka, Adebayor, Henry, RVP...none of whom had set the world alight before they joined. He plucked Koscielny from Ligue 2. But I suppose none of those count because they're not homegrown.

John terry - joined Chelsea aged 14, voted UEFA CLUB DEFENDER OF THE YEAR 2005,8,9

nothing worse than arguing football with people who are clueless about football

Soups123

Colonialboy wrote: »

John terry - joined Chelsea aged 14, voted UEFA CLUB DEFENDER OF THE YEAR 2005,8,9

nothing worse than arguing football with people who are clueless about football

So you get were we are coming from?

extra gravy

Colonialboy wrote: »

John terry - joined Chelsea aged 14, voted UEFA CLUB DEFENDER OF THE YEAR 2005,8,9

nothing worse than arguing football with people who are clueless about football

Terry went to Chelsea from the West Ham youth system. So it's ok to sign a player from somewhere else at 14 and develop them but not when they're 17 or 18 is that it?

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Colonialboy I don't think anyone has a clue what you are trying to argue.

You ask people to point to a striker we have developed and then point to John Terry as an example of a player that Chelsea developed.

Southampton have a great academy, everyone knows that. I believe they do have an advantage in terms of their catchment area being quite large due to a lack of other clubs in the area.

greendom

@Colonial Boy - all the players from other teams that you have highlighted that point to Arsenal's deficiencies at developing a home grown striker, you have failed to name even 1 striker

dinorebel

The last striker I can remember coming through the ranks is Owen.

HazDanz

We need a CB, DM and a Striker in five days.

It's very hard to see us do this kind of business within the time we have for the quality we need.

I think we will get the CB and maybe the DM but I really think a striker will be a stretch.

greendom

dinorebel wrote: »

The last striker I can remember coming through the ranks is Owen.

Rooney I suppose - but it's hardly a factory line. When it comes to World Class players, I don't think academies are at all instrumental, it's inbuilt.

Ken Shamrock

Zigic is the number 1 trend in Ireland right now :mad:

Nemeses2050

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Zigic is the number 1 trend in Ireland right now :mad:

Not just Ireland, worldwide....

Pudders

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Zigic is the number 1 trend in Ireland right now :mad:

I hope that is agent bull. If not I give up all hope.

Roddy23

All this transfer business can wait till after the match tonight. For me, right now we need to focus all our attention on qualifying. Once we've that guaranteed then we need to start bringing in the three players its plainly obvious we lack. Ornstein while he might have been reliable this summer what was he saying with regards last summer and the potential Ozil signing a week out? I'd be curious to see if he is in fact the mouthpiece for the club so many of you here think he is.

We'll need a big performance from Wilshere tonight and hopefully the team can get the support it needs as I haven't been this nervous since we had to play Udinese a few years back. C'mon you Gunners

Alfred Borden

Agreed the match takes priority right now. would love an early goal to settle the nerves.

Ed Winchester

Zigic. That has to be a wind up.

Hyzepher

You think there is any chance of Jackson Martínez?

Mickeroo

Is Indykaila legit? Pretty sure I've heard them mentioned around the place:

https://twitter.com/indykaila/status/504597890451636224

Zigic is surely a wind up.

Alfred Borden

Mickeroo wrote: »

Is Indykaila legit? Pretty sure I've heard them mentioned around the place:

https://twitter.com/indykaila/status/504597890451636224

Zigic is surely a wind up.

He is the biggest fake going, deletes everything he gets wrong, which is a lot :pac:

byrneg28

Mickeroo wrote: »

Is Indykaila legit? Pretty sure I've heard them mentioned around the place:

https://twitter.com/indykaila/status/504597890451636224

Zigic is surely a wind up.

Indykalia is a guesser.

He gets some things right and holds himself on a golden pedastool even praising himself for some of the stuff he gets right.

Problem is no one takes notice to the amount of s*** he gets wrong as he's too busy retweeting and loving himself for guessing something 2 weeks prior to it happening

Ed Winchester

The Zigic thing is all over the place if you google his name.

Alfred Borden

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9442911/transfer-news-nikola-zigics-agent-confirms-arsenals-interest

I always rated him

Ken Shamrock

Raf32 wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9442911/transfer-news-nikola-zigics-agent-confirms-arsenals-interest

I always rated him

I feel like crying...

Alfred Borden

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I feel like crying...

....tears of joy :P

.jacksparrow.

Hyzepher wrote: »

You think there is any chance of Jackson Martínez?

Scored for Porto in cl last night so probably unlikely

fearrua

`We should bring back Park I reckon :pac:

Irish Aris

now, if it actually happens, that's what I would call panic buy.

But then again, being a free agent. . . yeap, sounds like someone we would sign. . .