Energia dual rate [18% off Elec & 17% off of Gas]

ted1

guile4582 wrote: »

signed up end of Oct last year on dual fuel

Then your in a 12 month contract, they may let you leave without a penalty.

As you are still in the discount period then I doubt that you will save a ton. If you switched after you switch then yes you will save.

Also Board Gais have the best deal but it doesn't show up on bonkers.ie because of some regulation rule. Look at the column of the left and see the extras then see the asterix beside the savings

shardylan

I'm on Bord Gais payg for gas and electric .Anyone any idea who does best rate ?

guile4582

ted1 wrote: »

Then your in a 12 month contract, they may let you leave without a penalty.

As you are still in the discount period then I doubt that you will save a ton. If you switched after you switch then yes you will save.

Also Board Gais have the best deal but it doesn't show up on bonkers.ie because of some regulation rule. Look at the column of the left and see the extras then see the asterix beside the savings

do i just organise the switch date myself? i will see out the 12 months, but you know it being Ireland some places require 30 days notice in writing or fax or some draconian stuff

L1011

Once out of contract you just tell your new supplier your MPRN/GPRN and current readings.

flyguy

shardylan wrote: »

I'm on Bord Gais payg for gas and electric .Anyone any idea who does best rate ?

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/electricity-and-gas-cheapest-combined-prices.html

guile4582

is the Energia price quoted there for new customers only though

Macca07

I've been with Airtricity since November last year, worst service provider in this country, without question. Have had issues with them since March, took money via direct debit without permission, and then threatened to disconnect our services if we didn't pay off what we owe...

They've now agreed to cancel the contract early. Won't be going back there even if I was given free electricity and gas for the remainder of my life.

My point is, it might be cheaper, but might not be worth the hassle.

dcollins

My contract is just up and they offered a renewal discount of 12/11% only. Dual fuel. and admitted they know switching is cheaper.

fleet_admiral

Just off the phone to Energia, Im with them for both, expiring at the end of September. They offered me 4.6c per unit for gas and 14.65c a unit for electricity. I went to bonkers to compare and cant see anything better.
They also said I will have access to a reward site for deals on shopping etc.. if I stay

mrcheez

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Just off the phone to Energia, Im with them for both, expiring at the end of September. They offered me 4.6c per unit for gas and 14.65c a unit for electricity. I went to bonkers to compare and cant see anything better.
They also said I will have access to a reward site for deals on shopping etc.. if I stay

Cool, I'll see if they'll do a similar deal here.

CH3OH

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Just off the phone to Energia, Im with them for both, expiring at the end of September. They offered me 4.6c per unit for gas and 14.65c a unit for electricity. I went to bonkers to compare and cant see anything better.
They also said I will have access to a reward site for deals on shopping etc.. if I stay

14.65c a unit for electricity. Is this price including VAT?

StaticNoise

Just a little thing I'd like to mention: I don't work for Energia have any link to them (apart from joining them last week). However, they are one of the only (if not the only) provider to jse, in excess, of 90% renewable sources. Energia actually use 94% renewables and 6% gas.

Airtricity, dubbed as the "environmentally friendly" provider doesn't have that level of renewables. Electric Ireland does have a plan which gives you "100% renewable energy", however it is more expensive than standard rates and more expensive than Energia. Also, the end user doesn't actually get the energy: they only agree to BUY an equal amount of renewable energy.

So, by all means use price as an important factor, absolutely, but it is even better when a lower price is available and it uses renewable sources. We've screwed this planet enough. Even one person more is better than one person less.

That's why I went for Energia. After a forty minute call from Electric Ireland trying to get me to stay and also taking feedback, even they said they can't offer the same level of renewables offered by Energia. They can't deliver such environmentally friendly services, simple as.

Hopefully this information benefits someone. Slag the environment bloke here if you must, but trying to do better for the planet whilst saving money is a no-brainer.

fleet_admiral

CH3OH wrote: »

14.65c a unit for electricity. Is this price including VAT?

I didnt ask them that. Another phone call in the morning it is

ted1

StaticNoise wrote: »

Just a little thing I'd like to mention: I don't work for Energia have any link to them (apart from joining them last week). However, they are one of the only (if not the only) provider to jse, in excess, of 90% renewable sources. Energia actually use 94% renewables and 6% gas.

Airtricity, dubbed as the "environmentally friendly" provider doesn't have that level of renewables. Electric Ireland does have a plan which gives you "100% renewable energy", however it is more expensive than standard rates and more expensive than Energia. Also, the end user doesn't actually get the energy: they only agree to BUY an equal amount of renewable energy.

So, by all means use price as an important factor, absolutely, but it is even better when a lower price is available and it uses renewable sources. We've screwed this planet enough. Even one person more is better than one person less.

That's why I went for Energia. After a forty minute call from Electric Ireland trying to get me to stay and also taking feedback, even they said they can't offer the same level of renewables offered by Energia. They can't deliver such environmentally friendly services, simple as.

Hopefully this information benefits someone. Slag the environment bloke here if you must, but trying to do better for the planet whilst saving money is a no-brainer.

It really doesn't matter who you use. All the electricity goes into a pool and then is used by all.
If they didn't supply any customers they would still sell their renewable to the grid.
Also the 94% doesn't seem right, they are part of the Veridian group who own the CCGT plant in Huntstown.

PANDA Power actually Generate more renewable power than they sell. So you should move to them

StaticNoise

ted1 wrote: »

It really doesn't matter who you use. All the electricity goes into a pool and then is used by all.
If they didn't supply any customers they would still sell their renewable to the grid.
Also the 94% doesn't seem right, they are part of the Veridian group who own the CCGT plant in Huntstown.

PANDA Power actually Generate more renewable power than they sell. So you should move to them

Point taken. But, I'll have to research this more accordingly and look at a provider before I cancel.

As for the 94%: https://switcher.ie/gas-electricity/news/energia-comes-out-on-top-for-renewable-energy/

newacc2015

StaticNoise wrote: »

Point taken. But, I'll have to research this more accordingly and look at a provider before I cancel.

As for the 94%: https://switcher.ie/gas-electricity/news/energia-comes-out-on-top-for-renewable-energy/

Eirgrid control the national grid. All electricity generated is sold in real time market. When there is shortage, we import from the UK. When there is excess supply, we export to the UK.

Preference is given to renewable energy by Eirgrid. But renewable energy is unreliable, so there has to be back up gas/coal plants. It doesnt matter is Energia own 2000MW, if there is no wind and everything they supply is from gas fired plants.

ted1

StaticNoise wrote: »

Point taken. But, I'll have to research this more accordingly and look at a provider before I cancel.

As for the 94%: https://switcher.ie/gas-electricity/news/energia-comes-out-on-top-for-renewable-energy/

The site says:
ear 94% of Energia’s fuel mix was derived from renewable resources, with the firm currently supplying more than 680 Megawatts of renewable energy.

Huntstown is a 774MW station.

The site should talk about MWH as MW is not a quantitive measurement.

guile4582

i don't care where it comes from or how it gets to me as long as it is the cheapest

StaticNoise

ted1 wrote: »

The site says:
ear 94% of Energia’s fuel mix was derived from renewable resources, with the firm currently supplying more than 680 Megawatts of renewable energy.

Huntstown is a 774MW station.

The site should talk about MWH as MW is not a quantitive measurement.

"The recent report found that Energia’s all-island emissions of CO2 in tonnes per megawatt hour (MWh) of electricity supplied was 0.424 in 2012, ahead of the all-island average 0.481, and competing suppliers Airtricity (0.449), Electric Ireland (0.469) and Bord Gáis (0.480)."

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projektzwoo

How much deposit do Energia take? I think about switching. Would use direct debit and online billing, both gas and elec.

guile4582

CH3OH wrote: »

14.65c a unit for electricity. Is this price including VAT?

any update on this?

Barr

I am also on the Energia dual rate at the moment. Is it worth switching now my 12 month contract is up ?

reni10

I contacted Energia and they said they could not give me the same deal again as my 12 months was up so I am going to switch as I use a good bit of electricity.

According to Bonkers.ie I can save about €150 by moving to Panda Power for Electricity and €160 by moving the gas to Flogas

mrcheez

reni10 wrote: »

According to Bonkers.ie I can save about €150 by moving to Panda Power for Electricity and €160 by moving the gas to Flogas

So saving €310 per year? Jesus that's good.

ted1

mrcheez wrote: »

So saving €310 per year? Jesus that's good.

That's off the standard rate the discounts have expired. Do not much difference in the bills

Rashers72

I was with Energia for dual fuel, and went out of contract in March. Did the research via Bonkers in last month, but I had to ring Energia to get their offer. Although there were better deals out there, and a new customer deal with Energia seemed good (but not available to me), what Energia did was backdate the deal to end of contract. This was significant in my case, as Electricity was credited with EUR140, and gas EUR40. Just showed how much extra I was paying when out of contract. Little lesson for all there!

Tazz T

Does anyone know if anyone does tariffs where you don't have to pay by direct debit? It's a real hassle for self-employed when you don't know if you'll have the money in the bank when the DD goes through. Everything I click on has to be paid by DD.

tnegun

Just a note to be careful with Energia I almost signed back up for another year as they where quoting me prices ex vat so where bettering anything else I found as those prices where vat inclusive.

mrcheez

tnegun wrote: »

Just a note to be careful with Energia I almost signed back up for another year as they where quoting me prices ex vat so where bettering anything else I found as those prices where vat inclusive.

I asked them to send me prices with and without VAT (both for my current deal, and what the new 2nd year deal will be), so I can compare accurately when given prices with/without VAT from other providers.

(Unit price as opposed to the percentage discount as it's easier to compare)

To be honest if the savings are only something like €20 or €30 I'll stick with Energia as they've been good so far. If it's a €100 or more saving after changing then I'll probably make the switch.

StaticNoise

Tazz T wrote: »

Does anyone know if anyone does tariffs where you don't have to pay by direct debit? It's a real hassle for self-employed when you don't know if you'll have the money in the bank when the DD goes through. Everything I click on has to be paid by DD.

Yup:

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/sse-airtricity/GQKML4/sse-airtricity-1-year-electricity--no-direct-debit---ebill--1-year-contract-/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/NA47AJ/electric-ireland-valuereward--online-billing-/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/bord-gais-energy/222MA7/bord-g-is-energy-residential/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/LEGJH2/electric-ireland-standard---domestic/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/C42HXW/electric-ireland-pay-as-you-go-electricity/

mrcheez

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Just off the phone to Energia, Im with them for both, expiring at the end of September. They offered me 4.6c per unit for gas and 14.65c a unit for electricity. I went to bonkers to compare and cant see anything better.
They also said I will have access to a reward site for deals on shopping etc.. if I stay

CH3OH wrote: »

14.65c a unit for electricity. Is this price including VAT?

Not sure if anyone has replied to this query yet, so for the record the Energia prices for year 2 are:

GAS: 4.6c (ex VAT) ... 5.22 (inc VAT) (was 4.98 inc VAT for Year 1)

ELEC: 14.65c (ex VAT) ... 16.63 (inc VAT) (was 15.81 inc VAT for Year 1)

Might be good idea for people to post up what other companies are offering here too to make it easier to compare.

Tazz T

StaticNoise wrote: »

Yup:

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/sse-airtricity/GQKML4/sse-airtricity-1-year-electricity--no-direct-debit---ebill--1-year-contract-/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/NA47AJ/electric-ireland-valuereward--online-billing-/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/bord-gais-energy/222MA7/bord-g-is-energy-residential/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/LEGJH2/electric-ireland-standard---domestic/

http://www.bonkers.ie/compare-gas-electricity-prices/electric-ireland/C42HXW/electric-ireland-pay-as-you-go-electricity/

Thanks for that, but the only one of those that doesn't require a €200/300 deposit is the one I'm on at the moment.

L1011

I'm surprised there's even one that doesn't require a deposit for non-DD payers actually. They've close to nothing to get the cash out of you.

machalla

mrcheez wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has replied to this query yet, so for the record the Energia prices for year 2 are:

GAS: 4.6c (ex VAT) ... 5.22 (inc VAT) (was 4.98 inc VAT for Year 1)

ELEC: 14.65c (ex VAT) ... 16.63 (inc VAT) (was 15.81 inc VAT for Year 1)

Might be good idea for people to post up what other companies are offering here too to make it easier to compare.

I'm just checking on my fuel prices at the moment. Direct debit, national averages entered.

Based on looking at both bonkers.ie and switcher.ie. This is coming from the smartchoice dual fuel deal on energia you can get better per unit prices as per below with two different energy suppliers. Al prices below include vat.

Energia prices
Gas 05.22c
Electricity 16.63c

Gas 04.70c (Flogas) (Both the same) 20% Direct Debit Discount
Electricy 15.26c (Airtricity) Switcher.ie 1 Year Electricity 20 (Direct Debit & eBill)
Electricy 15.38c (Bord Gais) Bonkers.ie 16% Discount (Paperless, Direct Debit & Level Pay)

mrcheez

hmm Airtricity have been nothing but a pain whenever I used them so I always avoid.

I don't like Bord Gais level pay stuff, prefer just to pay whatever I used the previous 2 months rather than an estimated average.

Flogas looks good though, might consider them

mrcheez

My 1-year is up with Energia in a few days. If I want to change do I need to have registered with a new supplier before then, or is it OK to do it a few days after?

My next bill won't be until Oct.

ted1

machalla wrote: »

I'm just checking on my fuel prices at the moment. Direct debit, national averages entered.

Based on looking at both bonkers.ie and switcher.ie. This is coming from the smartchoice dual fuel deal on energia you can get better per unit prices as per below with two different energy suppliers. Al prices below include vat.

Energia prices
Gas 05.22c
Electricity 16.63c

Gas 04.70c (Flogas) (Both the same) 20% Direct Debit Discount
Electricy 15.26c (Airtricity) Switcher.ie 1 Year Electricity 20 (Direct Debit & eBill)
Electricy 15.38c (Bord Gais) Bonkers.ie 16% Discount (Paperless, Direct Debit & Level Pay)

They have different standing charges that need to be accounted for.

machalla

mrcheez wrote: »

My 1-year is up with Energia in a few days. If I want to change do I need to have registered with a new supplier before then, or is it OK to do it a few days after?

My next bill won't be until Oct.

I think most of these energy suppliers will be able to do a pro-rata costing on your bill. So if you are switch midway through the month they should only charge for half the month. I think when I switched to Energia originally that was the case.

mrcheez

machalla wrote: »

I think most of these energy suppliers will be able to do a pro-rata costing on your bill. So if you are switch midway through the month they should only charge for half the month. I think when I switched to Energia originally that was the case.

So I reckon FloGas is looking best for GAS, and Electric Ireland looking best for ELECTRICITY.

Anyone have nightmare stories about either company (in terms of double-charging or bad customer support etc)?

How is their online account management?

muloc

mrcheez wrote: »

My 1-year is up with Energia in a few days. If I want to change do I need to have registered with a new supplier before then, or is it OK to do it a few days after?

My next bill won't be until Oct.

me too. You can change after the year's up I think you only get the discounted rate for the first year.
Have you tried ringing them to stay on discounted rate?

was thinking of doing this to save me having to switch but maybe other providers are cheaper anyway?

guile4582

Have we a consensus on Flogas and Elec Ireland?

Ogham

guile4582 wrote: »

Have we a consensus on Flogas and Elec Ireland?

This says that Airtricity are currently cheapest for Electricity - ( a couple of weeks ago anyway) http://www.moneyguideireland.com/electricity-prices

machalla

True. There have been some negative comments about Airticity to deal with on the thread I noticed.

I did ask Energia for a better rate or a matching one but there was no move on that. As such I'll be moving to other suppliers of course.

ted1

Ogham wrote: »

This says that Airtricity are currently cheapest for Electricity - ( a couple of weeks ago anyway) http://www.moneyguideireland.com/electricity-prices

Bonkers says that too? But that because they exclude 100 cash back which makes board Gais cheaper

mrcheez

You couldn't pay me to go back to Airtricity (unless their entire infrastructure has changed in past few years)

Heard on the news that Elec Ireland are giving €30 credit when you switch, makes it even more enticing.

reni10

According to Bonkers.ie Panda Power is the cheapest Electricity provider for me as I have a night rate meter.

Ogham

ted1 wrote: »

Bonkers says that too? But that because they exclude 100 cash back which makes board Gais cheaper

That page has been updated since http://www.moneyguideireland.com/electricity-prices - and now showing Bord Gais as cheapest because of the 100 euro cashback. Not a massive amount of difference (price wise) between them all really though.

mrcheez

Ogham wrote: »

That page has been updated since http://www.moneyguideireland.com/electricity-prices - and now showing Bord Gais as cheapest because of the 100 euro cashback. Not a massive amount of difference (price wise) between them all really though.

I'm not a fan of Level Pay when I was with Bord Gais. I prefer to pay the exact amount I use in the 2 months, rather than an annual average. For example if you wanted a lower bill you could use less gas/electricity in the period, but this makes little difference with Level Pay. (also it can get messy when you decide to leave the company and they need to calculate if you've overspent, or underspent and get a nasty surprise if the latter).

What happens when you exhaust all of these "new customer-only" deals, and you decide to return to a company you were with previously?

All the comparison sites seem to be concentrating on new customers only.

Leroy42

You are a new customer if you are not currently with them, it doesn't mean you have never been with them. So one could simply move each year (or the end of each contract) to get the new customer deal from the best provider.

In fact, that is exactly what everyone should be doing

kooga

mrcheez wrote: »

My 1-year is up with Energia in a few days. If I want to change do I need to have registered with a new supplier before then, or is it OK to do it a few days after?

My next bill won't be until Oct.

i availed of the dual fuel offer with energia last august 2014 and when my contract expired the best deals on offer for me was airtricity for elec and flo gas for gas so i switched.