***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Little CuChulainn

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The fact that the Gardai are being used as a security force for a private company should be of more concern for all of us.

Who's next??????

Such bull****. Since when can Gardaí not protect a business or it's workers without being called a private security force? Are they not entitled to the same protections as anyone else?

Barely There

rubberdiddies wrote: »

So, what will they do about it?
What will they do to me if I don't pay? And what will they do if 30, 40, 50 or 60+% of people refuse to pay?

Well for a start, the vast majority of people will pay, not because they want to, but because they recognise that if we want to reduce our budget deficit while maintaining vital services, that increases in charges and broadening of the tax-base is inevitable.

Also, most people would be uncomfortable with notion of parasiting off the rest of society. I hope you'll be able to look your neighbours in the eye knowing that you're sponging off them.

In terms of what will happen you - who knows - the fact that you don't even know would make me consider my actions very carefully.

What I would hope would happen is that you'd be pursued through the Courts like any other debtor and end up with a really **** credit-rating that'll follow you around the rest of your life like a bad smell.

Here's hoping.

Plates

Barely There wrote: »

What I would hope would happen is that you'd be pursued through the Courts like any other debtor and end up with a really **** credit-rating that'll follow you around the rest of your life like a bad smell.

Here's hoping.

There's a good chance there will be an actual bad smell as well as a metaphorical one when his / her water pressure gets reduced to a trickle.


It's all typical keyboard warrior social media hero b***ox on here. Surprised no one has come up with a line of "No Contract, No Consent" T-Shirts yet. We've moved from Celtic Tiger to Toothless Tiger.

Hijpo

Barely There wrote: »

Well for a start, the vast majority of people will pay, not because they want to, but because they recognise that if we want to reduce our budget deficit while maintaining vital services, that increases in charges and broadening of the tax-base is inevitable.

Also, most people would be uncomfortable with notion of parasiting off the rest of society. I hope you'll be able to look your neighbours in the eye knowing that you're sponging off them.

In terms of what will happen you - who knows - the fact that you don't even know would make me consider my actions very carefully.

What I would hope would happen is that you'd be pursued through the Courts like any other debtor and end up with a really **** credit-rating that'll follow you around the rest of your life like a bad smell.

Here's hoping.

And here we see a fine example of some tactics used by government.

the vast majority of people will pay, not because they want to, but because they recognise that if we want to reduce our budget deficit while maintaining vital services, that increases in charges and broadening of the tax-base is inevitable.

Everyone else in the country sees and accepts these figures we show them and broadcast through our state owned media, if you cant accept it your obviously not as smart as the vastly vast majority

Also, most people would be uncomfortable with notion of parasiting off the rest of society. I hope you'll be able to look your neighbours in the eye knowing that you're sponging off them.

Shame and guilt. Your a spounger! Pay or your neighbours will hate you and they will talk to their neighbours and they will hate you to, then you wont be in the majority and youll be an outcast. Well put you in the conspiracy theorist group the the others and make you a minority!

who knows - the fact that you don't even know would make me consider my actions very carefully.

The fear of the unknown. Are you brave enough to stick it out and see?

What I would hope would happen is that you'd be pursued through the Courts like any other debtor and end up with a really **** credit-rating that'll follow you around the rest of your life like a bad smell.

And finaly fear itself. Mantion the courts, your name could be in the paper, the vast majority will see you as a spounging conspiracy theorist thats outcast from society with an awful credit rating!!

Oh great, another one arrives with the oul trickle threat!!
Aswell as putting you in the keyboard warrior group, another group nobody wants to find themselves in.

Jesus, youd better pay up.

Cantona's Collars

Plates wrote: »

There's a good chance there will be an actual bad smell as well as a metaphorical one when his / her water pressure gets reduced to a trickle.


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Please explain as to how anyone's water pressure can be reduced? The water flows through the meter & is measured - there is no mechanism in it to reduce the flow.

falan

rubberdiddies wrote: »

so i've all but decided not to pay water charges when i get my first bill in January.

I havent opened the 'application' pack and more than likely wont be sending it back. Effectively I will probably be ignoring any and all communication from Irish Water.

So, what will they do about it?
What will they do to me if I don't pay? And what will they do if 30, 40, 50 or 60+% of people refuse to pay?

Why are people going to pay? Surely if no one pays they cant do a damn thing about it?

I'm asking the questions because I genuinely don't know what they can actually do, or what they will actually do.

Im in the same boat as you. Im just not going to respond. I guess we will just have to see what happens. There are MANY people out there who are refusing to pay. Get yourself to the protest on 11/10/14

papu

zerks wrote: »

Please explain as to how anyone's water pressure can be reduced? The water flows through the meter & is measured - there is no mechanism in it to reduce the flow.

Both the Taoiseach and the Managing Director of Irish Water have said that for non payers the flow will be put down to ""Only the very basic amount for human consumption".

They'll hopefully find a way.

Cantona's Collars

papu wrote: »

Both the Taoiseach and the Managing Director of Irish Water have said that for non payers the flow will be put down to ""Only the very basic amount for human consumption".

They'll hopefully find a way.

You have the same answer as them - you don't know,yet you seem a bit too happy that they would try to do it.

As I said,there is no way to reduce a single dwellings water supply.Are you familiar with water supply? I am and the meter cannot reduce the flow,the only other mechanism in the pot where the meter is located is a tap to turn the supply on or off.

Scare tactics from IW,they learned well from the LPT scare campaign.

rubberdiddies

zerks wrote: »

Please explain as to how anyone's water pressure can be reduced? The water flows through the meter & is measured - there is no mechanism in it to reduce the flow.

in theory it can be reduced at the point of the meter, however its a 5 minute job to undo that work. YouTube is your friend here!

to the people talking about sponging off society by not paying water rates.....if Enda decided in the budget in 2 weeks, because he can, that all citizens must pay a breathing tax of €500 per year. would you also pay that so as not to be a sponger?

if he decided that the property tax was to increase to a minimum of €2000 per property, would you continue to pay so as not to be a sponger? or would you protest it?

i personally am fortunate enough to have enough money to pay this water charge, i'm fortunate enough to have more money than I need, however 100's of thousands of people are already on the breadline and this will only make it worse for them.

if i decide not to pay and be called a sponger, then so be it. sticks and stones and all that.....i'll simply divert that money to other charitable deserving causes instead if i so choose.

i want to do this so that the charges will have to be abolished so that people and families that are already struggling, wont have another bill to worry about. don't forget water charges were brought in as part of other taxation measures years ago. these taxes wont be removed because we now have separate water charges.

papu

zerks wrote: »

You have the same answer as them - you don't know,yet you seem a bit too happy that they would try to do it.

As I said,there is no way to reduce a single dwellings water supply.Are you familiar with water supply? I am and the meter cannot reduce the flow,the only other mechanism in the pot where the meter is located is a tap to turn the supply on or off.

Scare tactics from IW,they learned well from the LPT scare campaign.

If you don't IW , you shouldn't be getting their service.Perhaps they'll install a regulator which will be charged to you to remove. The same way Eircom charge a reconnection fee if you default.

Hijpo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Such bull****. Since when can Gardaí not protect a business or it's workers without being called a private security force? Are they not entitled to the same protections as anyone else?

Gardai escorted them through a peacful protests to install the meters. There was no crime being committed and their they were, in force, pushing the protesters so the vans could roll in.

papu

Hijpo wrote: »

Gardai escorted them through a peacful protests to install the meters. There was no crime being committed and their they were, in force, pushing the protesters so the vans could roll in.

Getting people off the roads?
A J-Walking bill and fines all round for blocking roads would be great.

Ogham

papu wrote: »

If you don't IW , you shouldn't be getting their service.Perhaps they'll install a regulator which will be charged to you to remove. The same way Eircom charge a reconnection fee if you default.

There are flow reducing valves that can be fitted - common in Australia. Would need engineer to fit to pipes and would be a charge to customer if it has to be done.
(Banned in UK - http://www.ccwater.org.uk/waterissues/currentkeywaterissues/trickleflow/)

Little CuChulainn

Hijpo wrote: »

Gardai escorted them through a peacful protests to install the meters. There was no crime being committed and their they were, in force, pushing the protesters so the vans could roll in.

I think the real problem with the current protestors and the general "no contract" people is their understanding of the law.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

9.—Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, wilfully prevents or interrupts the free passage of any person or vehicle in any public place shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £200

lacco

papu wrote: »

If you don't IW , you shouldn't be getting their service.Perhaps they'll install a regulator which will be charged to you to remove. The same way Eircom charge a reconnection fee if you default.

Ever heard the expression 'And pigs will fly.'
If you don't know what it means look it up.
Unless of course you are privy to some information that the rest of us are not.

Hijpo

papu wrote: »

Getting people off the roads?
A J-Walking bill and fines all round for blocking roads would be great.

Its a protest :rolleyes: they are hardly going to stand in their houses. Those people were moving not just standing around in there housing estate.

If some kids were out cycling around in circles i suppose you would expect the gardai to rock up and shove them onto their face, slap them with a fine maybe?

I think the real problem with the current protestors and the general "no contract" people is their understanding of the law.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/...0009.html#sec9

9.—Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, wilfully prevents or interrupts the free passage of any person or vehicle in any public place shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £200

Like i said, the people were not preventing them from moving, the people were moving and the vans were moving, the gaurds just decided to shove and intimidate them for a private company.

Bang_Bang

rubberdiddies wrote: »

in theory it can be reduced at the point of the meter, however its a 5 minute job to undo that work. YouTube is your friend here!

to the people talking about sponging off society by not paying water rates.....if Enda decided in the budget in 2 weeks, because he can, that all citizens must pay a breathing tax of €500 per year. would you also pay that so as not to be a sponger?

if he decided that the property tax was to increase to a minimum of €2000 per property, would you continue to pay so as not to be a sponger? or would you protest it?

i personally am fortunate enough to have enough money to pay this water charge, i'm fortunate enough to have more money than I need, however 100's of thousands of people are already on the breadline and this will only make it worse for them.

if i decide not to pay and be called a sponger, then so be it. sticks and stones and all that.....i'll simply divert that money to other charitable deserving causes instead if i so choose.

i want to do this so that the charges will have to be abolished so that people and families that are already struggling, wont have another bill to worry about. don't forget water charges were brought in as part of other taxation measures years ago. these taxes wont be removed because we now have separate water charges.

Good post, It's gas, I have family members that believe every single tax is just and good for you, I have one member that loves taxes in particular and if property tax was to skyrocket to €5,000 over night, he would think it's just and is called for. I really have to avoid conversation with this person because it always puts me in bad mood, even if he was paying 90% tax on his income, he would defend the government.

The country is full of people like him, crazy people. He drooled at the Irish water pack when it came in the door.:(

Geuze

hju6 wrote: »

We will be paying twice, and paying interest on other peoples debt too

We won't be paying for water twice.

But yes, we will be paying interest on sickening bank debts that were transferred onto the public debt.

Cantona's Collars

papu wrote: »

Getting people off the roads?
A J-Walking bill and fines all round for blocking roads would be great.

Your grasp of rules of the road are on par with your attempts at trolling:rolleyes:

Idbatterim

I take it no one complaining about the water charges here is paying the marginal rate I.e. 520 for every 1000 you earn? You get nothing for it, these water charge protesters a lot of them at least, are getting the money for free and they are now complaining about having to give back some of the free money, from those being done up the backside by our "progressive" tax system, boo f**cking hoo!

Bang_Bang

Idbatterim wrote: »

I take it no one complaining about the water charges here is paying the marginal rate I.e. 520 for every 1000 you earn? You get nothing for it, these water charge protesters a lot of them at least, are getting the money for free and they are now complaining about having to give back some of the free money, from those being done up the backside by our "progressive" tax system, boo f**cking hoo!

I'm in full time employment and always have been since I started working in the 90's, I'm protesting and I'm not paying for this shít. I pay enough already so they can fúck off. It's a private company out for profit FFS

Hijpo

Idbatterim wrote: »

I take it no one complaining about the water charges here is paying the marginal rate I.e. 520 for every 1000 you earn? You get nothing for it, these water charge protesters a lot of them at least, are getting the money for free and they are now complaining about having to give back some of the free money, from those being done up the backside by our "progressive" tax system, boo f**cking hoo!

Free money? A new low has been reached by the IW and government gang.

More guilt trips being booked for the non payers. :rolleyes:

Idbatterim

Many couples on average incomes, will be contributing more in marginal rates taxes in a week, than the average household rate in a year...

papu

Bang_Bang wrote: »

I'm in full time employment and always have been since I started working in the 90's, I'm protesting and I'm not paying for this shít. I pay enough already so they can fúck off. It's a private company out for profit FFS

Private company ? I don't think so .. Owned and funded by the government pal..

EazyD

papu wrote: »

Private company ? I don't think so .. Owned and funded by the government pal..

Yes.. And then flipped eventually to PLC(private limited company........pal

Little CuChulainn

Hijpo wrote: »

Its a protest :rolleyes: they are hardly going to stand in their houses. Those people were moving not just standing around in there housing estate.

If some kids were out cycling around in circles i suppose you would expect the gardai to rock up and shove them onto their face, slap them with a fine maybe?


Like i said, the people were not preventing them from moving, the people were moving and the vans were moving, the gaurds just decided to shove and intimidate them for a private company.

You said that after I showed you the law that you didn't know about in an attempt to paint the protesters as not acting illegally. But there's plenty of videos that show them doing exactly that.

Little CuChulainn

gladrags wrote: »

So does this mean that the drivers of vehicles who block and restrict pedestrians,on a daily basis,should be fined?

And particularly the majority of vehicles with driver only?

Realistically,

No idea what you are on about. What drivers?

Hijpo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You said that after I showed you the law that you didn't know about in an attempt to paint the protesters as not acting illegally. But there's plenty of videos that show them doing exactly that.

I edited my original reply to add your comment and reply to it instead of double posting, yes. I dont see what your issue is. Did i alter something from my original post ie: anything above your quote?

gladrags

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think the real problem with the current protestors and the general "no contract" people is their understanding of the law.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0009.html#sec9

9.—Any person who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, wilfully prevents or interrupts the free passage of any person or vehicle in any public place shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £200

So does this mean that the drivers of vehicles who block and restrict pedestrians,on a daily basis,should be fined?

And particularly the majority of vehicles with driver only?

Realistically, this is the real issue, particularly in high populated areas.

Vehicles "parked" on footpaths,huge noise and stress level, etc

papu

EazyD wrote: »

Yes.. And then flipped eventually to PLC(private limited company........pal

Crystal ball or mutant psychic powers?
I'd love to know how you're so certain about this.