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dxhound2005 · 03-10-2014 1:40pm

More criminal activity associated with "protests" in Dundalk. Since no ordinary home owning working person would want to be associated with this nonsense petty criminals are being brought into estates to "protest", as I posted yesterday. Overnight at the same location criminals set fire to plastic barriers used by the IW contractors. And the response from local Sinn Fein? There should be a more measured Garda response to protests. You couldn't make it up.

http://www.lmfm.ie/news/councillor-calls-for-more-measured-garda-response-to-peaceful-water-metre-protests/3157

Barely There · 03-10-2014 2:00pm

Ormus wrote: »

If this is true, my question is, why did the government not say this in the first place? Why not just come out and say listen guys, we need to reduce the deficit, so we're gonna meter all water usage but taxes will not be reduced accordingly, as we need to reduce the deficit?

They should have.
Same with the property tax.

As to why they haven't - the public sector seems to love needless bureaucracy and overly complicating things.

Far simplier to have said to the electorate 'We need to broaden the tax base and reduce the deficit so we're introdcing water charges and property tax' - end of.

Anyone with half a brain anyway can see that's why we're doing it.

Phoebas · 03-10-2014 2:05pm

Ormus wrote: »

If this is true, my question is, why did the government not say this in the first place? Why not just come out and say listen guys, we need to reduce the deficit, so we're gonna meter all water usage but taxes will not be reduced accordingly, as we need to reduce the deficit?

The water charges were part of the EU/IMF bailout agreement - their context was very clear to everyone.

Hijpo · 03-10-2014 2:13pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

More criminal activity associated with "protests" in Dundalk. Since no ordinary home owning working person would want to be associated with this nonsense petty criminals are being brought into estates to "protest", as I posted yesterday. Overnight at the same location criminals set fire to plastic barriers used by the IW contractors. And the response from local Sinn Fein? There should be a more measured Garda response to protests. You couldn't make it up.

http://www.lmfm.ie/news/councillor-calls-for-more-measured-garda-response-to-peaceful-water-metre-protests/3157

More of the same from the pro brigade. Create a generalised group and ridicul, heckle and degrade them and anyone with their own view and belief shall be cast into this group even though its their only avenue to object to all aspects of the situation. Anyone who doesnt want to be cast into this group will do well to avoid protesting, the rest will fall into line.

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 2:14pm

no money honey wrote: »

Of course the guards are all over this rather than clean up the cesspit that is Dublin City. They just get the easy targets.

Haven't you read the news recently? There's a massive clean up going on.

ThisRegard · 03-10-2014 2:27pm

Hijpo wrote: »

More of the same from the pro brigade. Create a generalised group and ridicul, heckle and degrade them and anyone with their own view and belief shall be cast into this group even though its their only avenue to object to all aspects of the situation. Anyone who doesnt want to be cast into this group will do well to avoid protesting, the rest will fall into line.

Are you saying it was the "pro brigade" who caused the fire brigade to come along and put the fire out in a demonstration of a bit of agent provocateur-ing ?

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 2:29pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Are you saying it was the "pro brigade" who caused the fire brigade to come along and put the fire out in a demonstration of a bit of agent provocateur-ing ?

A more measured approach to arson should be taken. The lads were probably just trying to keep warm.

Recondite49 · 03-10-2014 2:29pm

Daith wrote: »

He did pay for it as long as he paid tax. The charge is now going up and more transparent and for metered stuff yes more fairer now though.

...And will water charges be tax free? i.e will our taxes be reduced accordingly? No. So how is this fair on anyone?

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 2:29pm

Recondite49 wrote: »

...And will water charges be tax free? i.e will our taxes be reduced accordingly? No. So how is this fair on anyone?

How do you know this when the budget is 2 months away?

The Ayatolla · 03-10-2014 2:30pm

Whats the best way to avoid paying it?

No contract No consent?

Recondite49 · 03-10-2014 2:30pm

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Whats the best way to avoid paying it?

No contract No consent?

Quite so, my girlfriend binned the form.

papu · 03-10-2014 2:34pm

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Whats the best way to avoid paying it?

No contract No consent?

No public water service for you then.

The Ayatolla · 03-10-2014 2:37pm

papu wrote: »

No public water service for you then.

A fella told me that Irish Water can't switch off the water?

Or it could have been my dog....

rubberdiddies · 03-10-2014 2:47pm

papu wrote: »

Private company ? I don't think so .. Owned and funded by the government pal..

Look on the CRO website and search for Irish water, then see if your mind is changed about whether it's a private company or not

We really need to not believe everything our government tell us. The week of mistruths in government this week alone should tell you that much

papu · 03-10-2014 2:49pm

The Ayatolla wrote: »

A fella told me that Irish Water can't switch off the water?

Or it could have been my dog....

From Irish water

"if you use the public water mains and/or public sewage system will receive a bill from Irish Water."

"The pack is not a contract but an Application for Allowances."

so , bin , burn , throw away , and send back your free allowances by all means :rolleyes:

papu · 03-10-2014 2:50pm

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Look on the CRO website and search for Irish water, then see if your mind is changed about whether it's a private company or not

We really need to not believe everything our government tell us. The week of mistruths in government this week alone should tell you that much

Who owns IW then? Have they not been completely funded by the government so far?

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 2:50pm

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Look on the CRO website and search for Irish water, then see if your mind is changed about whether it's a private company or not

We really need to not believe everything our government tell us. The week of mistruths in government this week alone should tell you that much

It's a registered company wholly owned by the government.

rubberdiddies · 03-10-2014 2:51pm

papu wrote: »

From Irish water

"if you use the public water mains and/or public sewage system will receive a bill from Irish Water."

"The pack is not a contract but an Application for Allowances."

so , bin , burn , throw away , and send back your free allowances by all means :rolleyes:

Free allowances don't mean a jot if we're not paying anyway

EazyD · 03-10-2014 2:53pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's a registered company wholly owned by the government.

Private limited company by shares. I really don't understand how this escapes people.it doesn't matter a jot where the original funding is sourced, it is registered as and will be sold as.

EazyD · 03-10-2014 2:54pm

papu wrote: »

Who owns IW then? Have they not been completely funded by the government so far?

You seem to have overlooked my previous post to you.

Ormus · 03-10-2014 2:55pm

Phoebas wrote: »

The water charges were part of the EU/IMF bailout agreement - their context was very clear to everyone.

Are you sure their context was very clear to everyone? Everyone?

I'm fairly sure it's not clear to a large proportion of the population.

Maybe it should be, but it's really not.

papu · 03-10-2014 2:55pm

EazyD wrote: »

Private limited company by shares. I really don't understand how this escapes people.it doesn't matter a jot where the original funding is sourced, it is registered as and will be sold as.

This doesn't mean it is a private company. The shares are owned by the state & state owned Ervia formerly Bord Gáis.

papu · 03-10-2014 2:56pm

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Free allowances don't mean a jot if we're not paying anyway

"in this eventuality, non-paying customers will be pursued like any other utility company."

From IW.

All these questions are answered a million times over on their twitter.
Might educate a few people

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 2:56pm

EazyD wrote: »

Private limited company by shares. I really don't understand how this escapes people.it doesn't matter a jot where the original funding is sourced, it is registered as and will be sold as.

Shares which are owned by the state.

rubberdiddies · 03-10-2014 2:58pm

papu wrote: »

"in this eventuality, non-paying customers will be pursued like any other utility company."

From IW.

All these questions are answered a million times over on their twitter.
Might educate a few people

Any other utility company (of which most/all are now privately owned) can cut off your supply.
IW legally can't. And don't bring up the reduced pressure argument as that has already been covered

papu · 03-10-2014 3:00pm

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Any other utility company (of which most/all are now privately owned) can cut off your supply.
IW legally can't. And don't bring up the reduced pressure argument as that has already been covered

So If i don't have a TV license , but have a TV, they can cut off the radio waves?

EazyD · 03-10-2014 3:04pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Shares which are owned by the state.

Doesn't negate the fact the company is registered as such an will be sold as such. By technicality yes, the shares are currently an asset of the state, which are to be then sold on, but saying it's simply a government owned company is not true.

Little CuChulainn · 03-10-2014 3:06pm

EazyD wrote: »

Doesn't negate the fact the company is registered as such an will be sold as such. By technicality yes, the shares are currently an asset of the state, which are to be then sold on, but saying it's simply a government owned company is not true.

Can you show me where these plans to sell Irish Water are stated?

Fr. Ned · 03-10-2014 3:18pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

what do the anti water chargers have to say on the below from the economics forum? Of course we would all prefer if they didn't have to raise taxes or cut spending. But they can f**k right off with any income tax increases, let everyone including the pensioners who have taken the least of a hit, according to a report out today, "share the pain"... because it certainly hasn't been dished out in equal doses!

You do know that if we all conserve water that the super quango will increase the price.
Profit has to be maintained for this monster so it looks like a saleable asset.
Anyone who thinks that this thing has been set up for any other reason than to be sold down the line, is entirely DELUDED.

Fr. Ned · 03-10-2014 3:20pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Can you show me where these plans to sell Irish Water are stated?

Still banging on about this are you?
The bailout deal states that Irish assets are to be sold in order to pay off debt.
The infrastructure will remain in the control of the state and the money gouging part will be sold to the highest bidder.
That's the plan, your betters in Europe have spoken.

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