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    #362
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Why then did previous governments try to bring in property tax and water charges in the 1990's? And Motor Tax which was also abolished in 1977 was reintroduced. And you might recall that one of the first results of the reliance on Income Tax was the great PAYE marches. If someone has a house with no mortgage and they are getting a State pension I don't see why they should not contribute to the tax base instead of just putting everything on the shoulders of the workers. They are getting water services etc just like someone paying income tax. That is just an example.
    perhaps they have already contributed to the tax base, some paid tax at a little over 70%, howlin changed the goalpossts over water charges back in the dying day of the rainbow goverment, he withdrew the water tax and upped the road tax to enable the co. council's to pay for the suppply of water.


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    #363
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    If you ever need to ring Revenue or Social Protection you'll need to give them your PPS number. If you don't have it to hand, that's not a problem. - just your name and address, maybe a date of birth (in case dad has the same first name) will be required to fish it out of the system.
    Anybody born after 1971 or working since then has a PPS number (old RSI no., same difference).
    You're not giving anybody anything, its already there.
    The government does not know how you vote, who you screw, or what you drink but it does have your PPS number.


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    #364
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Barely There wrote: »
    no, what's that got to do with funding something through 2 forms of taxation?:confused:

    You complained earlier that services should not be funded through general taxation, so either they should, or they should not. Why should the ESB not be funded through general taxation as well ?

    Also why if Irish water is to be funded from both water charges and general taxation, why, in a country where water is so plentiful and available, are we having to pay some of the highest water charges per litre in Europe ?


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    #365
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    If you ever need to ring Revenue or Social Protection you'll need to give them your PPS number. If you don't have it to hand, that's not a problem. - just your name and address, maybe a date of birth (in case dad has the same first name) will be required to fish it out of the system.
    Anybody born after 1971 or working since then has a PPS number (old RSI no., same difference).
    You're not giving anybody anything, its already there.
    The government does not know how you vote, who you screw, or what you drink but it does have your PPS number.

    Why do you not have to give the ESB your PPS no. ?


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    #366
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    EunanMac wrote: »
    Why do you not have to give the ESB your PPS no. ?

    What has that got to do with anything. If you want to sit in the dark, you're free to do so.


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    #367
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything. If you want to sit in the dark, you're free to do so.

    Your attempt at a diversion, doesn't answer the question, it just highlights your failure


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    #368
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    EunanMac wrote: »
    Why do you not have to give the ESB your PPS no. ?

    Because the esb does not give you a free electricity allowance based on your social welfare.

    You can feel free to not give Irish Water your pps number, but then you won't get any allowance.


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    #369
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Because the esb does not give you a free electricity allowance based on your social welfare.

    They do based on your state pension and age.

    Everyone is not on social welfare or a state pension, so why do the ESB not ask everyone for their PPS number ?


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    #370
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Because as you say with the electricity not everyone gets the allowance. With Irish water everyone does get an allowance, but the exact amount must be calculated.


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    #371
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Because as you say with the electricity not everyone gets the allowance. With Irish water everyone does get an allowance, but the exact amount must be calculated.

    Why is a PPS no required for this, no other service provider is entitled to it


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    #372
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Banks also ask for it, so they can apply DIRT.

    PPS number is required so they can access database and see how many dependents etc you have - to calculate the allowance.

    All the non-tax-compliant types are up in arms over this for some reason :P


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    #373
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Eunan, withholding the PPS is pointless. They already have access to it. It was issued to you at birth. As said above, if you wish to pay more for water, they'll be happy to oblige.


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    #374
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Where does it say they are entitled to it? It seems that you are free to opt out of the free allowance if you so wish.


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    #375
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Eunan, withholding the PPS is pointless. They already have access to it. It was issued to you at birth. As said above, if you wish to pay more for water, they'll be happy to oblige.

    No other service provider resorts to threats over the PPS no's. or allowances


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    #376
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    EunanMac wrote: »
    No other service provider resorts to threats over the PPS no's. or allowances

    Then withhold the PPS. Claim no allowance. What threats were made against you ? - if there were, you could seek legal redress.


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    #377
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Social Welfare office also operates like this. Refuse to provide your pps number and see how far you get :P


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    #378
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Then withhold the PPS. Claim no allowance. What threats were made against you ? - if there were, you could seek legal redress.

    No other service provide threatens conditions based on PPS being provided.
    Why is a PPS no. required for an allowance ?


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    #379
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Social Welfare office also operates like this. Refuse to provide your pps number and see how far you get :P

    Water services are not social welfare


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    #380
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    EunanMac wrote: »
    No other service provide threatens no allowance if a PPS number is not provided.
    Why is a PPS no. required for an allowance ?

    It identifies who you are. Bono (aka Paul Hewson) has a PPS no. So does Enda Kenny. If you apply for a tax rebate you will need a PPS number. If you are the beneficiary of a will, you will need a PPS number. Funny enough, people remember it quickly enough in those circumstances.

    If you think you can get away without paying for the water charge - go for it. When the tap runs dry and they apply the (inevitable) reconnection charge, don't come moaning.
    Its seven numbers followed by a letter. Not your soul.


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    #381
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    EunanMac wrote: »
    No other service provide threatens no allowance if a PPS number is not provided.
    Why is a PPS no. required for an allowance ?

    You won't gets free electricity allowance without supplying your PPS number.

    You won't be able to open a bank account without supplying your PPS number.


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    #382
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Valetta wrote: »
    You won't gets free electricity allowance without supplying your PPS number.

    You won't be able to open a bank account without supplying your PPS number.

    Funny myself and my family have done all those things


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    #383
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    It identifies who you are. Bono (aka Paul Hewson) has a PPS no. So does Enda Kenny. If you apply for a tax rebate you will need a PPS number. If you are the beneficiary of a will, you will need a PPS number. Funny enough, people remember it quickly enough in those circumstances.

    If you think you can get away without paying for the water charge - go for it. When the tap runs dry and they apply the (inevitable) reconnection charge, don't come moaning.
    Its seven numbers followed by a letter. Not your soul.

    More frantic hand waving
    Again you've not answered the question, why is the PPS number required ?


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    #384
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    EunanMac wrote: »
    Funny myself and my family have done all those things

    Try doing it tomorrow and see how you get on.


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    #385
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    EunanMac wrote: »
    More frantic hand waving
    Again you've not answered the question, why is the PPS number required ?

    Its not. Don't pay for it. Drink rain. /


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    #386
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    EunanMac wrote: »
    More frantic hand waving
    Again you've not answered the question, why is the PPS number required ?

    It's required for identification.

    Not everyone has a driving license or passport.


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    #387
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Its not. Don't pay for it. Drink rain. /

    You've already stated it is, why is the PPS number required for the allowance ?


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    #388
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    EunanMac wrote: »
    Funny myself and my family have done all those things

    Not recently you didn't.


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    #389
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Valetta wrote: »
    It's required for identification.

    That's not true
    I've encountered many services that require multiple forms of ID but no PPS number.
    How do they manage ?

    Can you explain why no PPS number is required for the TV licence ?

    So why do Irish Water need a PPS number ?


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    #390
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,554 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    EunanMac wrote: »
    You've already stated it is, why is the PPS number required for the allowance ?

    Should they just take your word for it that 6 adults and 14 children live in that 3 bedroom house?


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    #391
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Should they just take your word for it that 6 adults and 14 children live in that 3 bedroom house?

    Why do they need a PPS number to verify this, there are many other forms of ID, and in fact a PPS number is not considered ID


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