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    #4052
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    zanador wrote: »
    I am sure this has been covered but what I don't understand is this - water is a finite resource and in some years time whoever has control of it will be in a great position of power.

    This has worked out very well for us in terms of oil - definitely no wars or conflict over that.

    Why are people supporting this particular implementation of water metering and charges?

    I actually don't mind paying for water infrastructure, but I would like some semblance of control over where any extra money goes (ie into a proper healthcare system, proper education system, proper transport network or whatever). Why are some of you happy for some business man with no investment into our community to get money for this? I really don't get it.

    What extra money?


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    #4053
    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    Because they are Morons. Lemmings , gullible folk . Fools with their money .

    The list goes on.

    Or people with vested interest in creating a media and social network facade .

    DublinSaysNo


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    #4054
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    What extra money?

    If there happens to be any money over after infrastructure is maintained and necessary staff paid? Or it could be held for a year/time when there were more repairs needed than normal, say a really cold winter with burst pipes etc...


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    #4055
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    zanador wrote: »
    If there happens to be any money over after infrastructure is maintained and necessary staff paid? Or it could be held for a year/time when there were more repairs needed than normal, say a really cold winter with burst pipes etc...

    The government is the sole share holder of IW so any profits paid out in dividendes would go to the exchequer. It's unlikely this will happen in the next decade considering the level of repairs that the national infrastructure needs. I don't know who this business man is supposed to be that's making all the money. The only people that make any money out of IW are it's employees and the contractors installing the meters.


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    #4056
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Cue the "look at all the people he's keeping in employment" spin. Even if he is a tax exile.

    many of them are Jobsbridge workers. Dole + €few quid extra.


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    #4057
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,972 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    The government is the sole share holder of IW so any profits paid out in dividendes would go to the exchequer. It's unlikely this will happen in the next decade considering the level of repairs that the national infrastructure needs. I don't know who this business man is supposed to be that's making all the money. The only people that make any money out of IW are it's employees and the contractors installing the meters.

    You have not heard of a certain Denis then.

    If you have a contract to install meters and dont factually have to use installers that are PAYE workers inside this state. Would you indeed not be making money out of this shenanigans ?

    Perplexing how one could think installing Water Meters isnt a money maker and its just lowly installers taking a wage out of it.

    Laughable in fact.


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    #4058
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    listermint wrote: »
    You have not heard of a certain Denis then.

    If you have a contract to install meters and dont factually have to use installers that are PAYE workers inside this state. Would you indeed not be making money out of this shenanigans ?

    Perplexing how one could think installing Water Meters isnt a money maker and its just lowly installers taking a wage out of it.

    Laughable in fact.

    Someone sent me a link about it. He owns a company that acquired a company that owns a company that got three of the contracts to install meters.


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    #4059
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,972 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Someone sent me a link about it. He owns a company that acquired a company that owns a company that got three of the contracts to install meters.

    Ah right so, so he just happened to chance across it so.

    like bumping into a bus stop after a few jars and finding a fiver on the ground.


    That makes sense.


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    #4060
    hiFidelity
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭hiFidelity


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Someone sent me a link about it. He owns a company that acquired a company that owns a company that got three of the contracts to install meters.

    Nice work if you can get it!

    They certainly wouldn't get away with that here in France where I am. The country would grind to a halt with protests.


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    #4061
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    In Lonesome Dove wrote: »
    But if there are leaks on the property, how would this be fixed. Would people need to hire out a hi Mac to get their drive way dug up to access the pipes. I have no idea how it's done. If it does involve digging up driveways, I would imagine a job like that would cost thousands and for many people that's money they don't have.
    That's why I'd want to get my 'first fix' application in very early.


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    #4062
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    zanador wrote: »
    I am sure this has been covered but what I don't understand is this - water is a finite resource and in some years time whoever has control of it will be in a great position of power.

    This has worked out very well for us in terms of oil - definitely no wars or conflict over that.

    Why are people supporting this particular implementation of water metering and charges?

    I actually don't mind paying for water infrastructure, but I would like some semblance of control over where any extra money goes (ie into a proper healthcare system, proper education system, proper transport network or whatever). Why are some of you happy for some business man with no investment into our community to get money for this? I really don't get it.
    There won't be extra money - the income stream from water charges does into water infrastructure.


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    #4063
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    How do you know if you have a meter?

    Up and down the road the neighbours has got a black square with a round lid, does that sound the meter?

    But then we can't find our own meter. There's something that looks like this outside but its more towards the neighbours across the road. The lid says water meter, but its not like the other neighbours meters up and down the road. Its a big lid. Can the big lid have two meters under it?


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    #4064
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    http://m.vice.com/read/irish-protest-groups-have-had-enough-of-paying-for-crappy-water-467?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    I'll be there tomorrow. I hope to see a good crowd there. I've certainly had enough and would consider myself working poor nowadays with about €100 left at the end of the month.

    Irish Water can go f**k themselves.


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    #4065
    falan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭falan


    I'll be there on a bus up from limerick. ..hope to see a big turnout.


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    #4066
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Who's organising this protest tomorrow anyway? Is there a website / Facebook page?


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    #4067
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    I'm very surprised at the poll so far, I was expecting a huge show for Opposed and won't pay


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    #4068
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    http://m.vice.com/read/irish-protest-groups-have-had-enough-of-paying-for-crappy-water-467?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    I'll be there tomorrow. I hope to see a good crowd there. I've certainly had enough and would consider myself working poor nowadays with about €100 left at the end of the month.

    Irish Water can go f**k themselves.
    falan wrote: »
    I'll be there on a bus up from limerick. ..hope to see a big turnout.

    Best of luck with marching the budget deficit away.:rolleyes:


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    #4069
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    I'm very surprised at the poll so far, I was expecting a huge show for Opposed and won't pay

    As per my early morning post I am still wondering why some people are against the charge but are going to pay it. 14 people as I type this. Would anyone like to explain.


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    #4070
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    I'm very surprised at the poll so far, I was expecting a huge show for Opposed and won't pay
    On the other hand 95% think that you're not handsome...


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    #4071
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    As per my early morning post I am still wondering why some people are against the charge but are going to pay it. 14 people as I type this. Would anyone like to explain.

    I'm not happy with lots of taxes but I still pay them.
    You don't have to agree with a tax to admit defeat and get into line. Take the LPT for example.


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    #4072
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Now that Ireland has taken it's place amongst the nations of the world in having water charges, that just leaves Northern Ireland as the only outlier in Europe.

    But maybe not for much longer. The RNU who are spearheading resistance in Dundalk are obviously an all Island movement just like Sinn Fein. They have some news from the "Six Counties".

    http://www.republicanunity.org/rnu-expose-disingenuous-ni-water/

    As an aside local radio here reported that the unknown individual who was among the 4 arrested in Dundalk at a RNU "protest" has been identified. He told the judge he had the right to remain silent when he was asked for his name. There is a warrant out for his arrest for another incident in Carlow.


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    #4073
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Who's organising this protest tomorrow anyway? Is there a website / Facebook page?

    http://www.right2water.ie/
    Right2Water is a citizens’ campaign supported by trade unions Unite, Mandate, the CPSU and OPATSI, as well as by Sinn Fein, People Before Profit, the Anti Austerity Alliance and the Workers’ Party. The campaign is also supported by a range of community groups and individual activists.


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    #4074
    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    As per my early morning post I am still wondering why some people are against the charge but are going to pay it. 14 people as I type this. Would anyone like to explain.

    People don't like paying extra money but realize it is the right thing to do in the current economy. Pretty straightforward I would have thought.


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    #4075
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Wombatman wrote: »
    http://www.right2water.ie/

    Sinn fein never miss a chance do they.


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    #4076
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Phoebas wrote: »
    On the other hand 95% think that you're not handsome...

    Another surprise!!! :D

    Won't be attending the protest tomorrow myself. What kinda numbers are expected?


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    #4077
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I wonder will Joan's little swipe at the apparent affluence of protestors who say they can't afford to pay cause some of the better off cohort at the march to hide their fancy phones away tomorrow. Probably not though, they seem to have a phone fetish.


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    #4078
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    http://m.vice.com/read/irish-protest-groups-have-had-enough-of-paying-for-crappy-water-467?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    I'll be there tomorrow. I hope to see a good crowd there. I've certainly had enough and would consider myself working poor nowadays with about €100 left at the end of the month.

    Irish Water can go f**k themselves.

    The protest is fundamentally flawed IMO. The focus is on 'human right to water'. That the provision of water should be free. But Ireland is just about the only country in Europe where you don't pay a water charge. And people absolutely should. What makes Ireland special? There is no coherent argument against the concept of a water charge that I have seen from anyone.

    The issue is the way that the the government has gone about it, and the structure of Irish Water. If that were the reason for the protest, I might have some sympathy, and might add my support.

    But asking me to sign a petition asking for water be free? No....I won't do that.

    If the purpose of a protest is to change the mind of the government, it will not work. Water charges are here to stay. If the protest were about IW ownership, charge structure etc, then changes might be made. Like all these protests, they focus on the big thing about which there will be no going back, rather than things which could be changed.


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    #4079
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Another surprise!!! :D

    Won't be attending the protest tomorrow myself. What kinda numbers are expected?

    15.7k according to the Facebook page. That would be a good turnout if it transpired.


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    #4080
    Philo Beddoe
    Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Philo Beddoe


    So where is the march tomorrow going? Is it even a march or just a meeting at the Garden of Remembrance?


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    #4081
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    The protest is fundamentally flawed IMO. The focus is on 'human right to water'. That the provision of water should be free. But Ireland is just about the only country in Europe where you don't pay a water charge. And people absolutely should. What makes Ireland special? There is no coherent argument against the concept of a water charge that I have seen from anyone.

    Using 'water is a human right' is a cynical hook to hang the campaign off, but I guess it allows people to claim some higher justification for opposing it other than 'won't pay; somebody else should pay'.


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