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    #4142
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    Is water the new oil? Some Wall Street vultures seem to think so. Peter Brabaek (ex Nestle CEO) thinks that water isn't a fundamental human right and merely a commodity to be sold and profited from.

    http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jul/27/water-nestle-drink-charge-privatize-companies-stocks

    Get out and protest today before its to late. If you think the water bill in January will be bad, it will be far worse down the line. A mass effort can put a stop to this.


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    #4143
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Is water the new oil? Some Wall Street vultures seem to think so. Peter Brabaek (ex Nestle CEO) thinks that water isn't a fundamental human right and merely a commodity to be sold and profited from.

    http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jul/27/water-nestle-drink-charge-privatize-companies-stocks

    Get out and protest today before its to late. If you think the water bill in January will be bad, it will be far worse down the line. A mass effort can put a stop to this.

    This is worth a watch

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2072910/


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    #4144
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    This is worth a watch

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2072910/

    That is making a giant assumption. Other people may find it not worthwhile at all. They could accuse you of having wasted X number of minutes of their lives, which they will never get back.

    You could have written "I found this worth watching".


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    #4145
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That is making a giant assumption. Other people may find it not worthwhile at all. They could accuse you of having wasted X number of minutes of their lives, which they will never get back.

    You could have written "I found this worth watching".

    You are my hero


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    #4146
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    People are being played by the hard left political parties in Ireland.

    If you think this march is anything other than an attempt to shore up political support for the likes of SF, PBP or AAA, you're only kidding yourself.

    A tiny minority of the population are about to dance to the tune of these pied pipers - won't make a blind bit of difference to water charges coming in.


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    #4147
    Ilovemyusername
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Ilovemyusername


    Let our Government, who are one of the highest paid Governments in the world, and the likes pay back the debt!

    Not the likes of families who have joint incomes of between €400-€600 a week and have to pay mortgages, other utility bills, property tax, petrol, tax, insurance and have just enough left for a bit of food shopping at the end of the week!

    People laughing at the marchers today you should be ashamed of yourselves, God forbid you ever ended up in a similar situation you wouldn't be so quick to laugh at people standing up for themselves.


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    #4148
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Let our Government, who are one of the highest paid Governments in the world, and the likes pay back the debt!

    Not the likes of families who have joint incomes of between €400-€600 a week and have to pay mortgages, other utility bills, property tax, petrol, tax, insurance and have just enough left for a bit of food shopping at the end of the week!

    People laughing at the marchers today you should be ashamed of yourselves, God forbid you ever ended up in a similar situation you wouldn't be so quick to laugh at people standing up for themselves.

    I'm laughing at your belief that the government salaries could pay back the debt.


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    #4149
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    Barely There wrote: »
    People are being played by the hard left political parties in Ireland.

    If you think this march is anything other than an attempt to shore up political support for the likes of SF, PBP or AAA, you're only kidding yourself.

    A tiny minority of the population are about to dance to the tune of these pied pipers - won't make a blind bit of difference to water charges coming in.

    Hard Left is something I will never be. Centre Right I am. We do not have straight forward centre right politics in this country. For me this is about fairness. People simply do not have the money for this. Both FG and FF have shown themselves to be as bad as each other.

    Why to you feel the need to try and insult any posters intelligence because their opinion differs to yours. What is your interest in IW? Its fairly obvious you have some link to them.


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    #4150
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,026 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Barely There wrote: »
    People are being played by the hard left political parties in Ireland.

    If you think this march is anything other than an attempt to shore up political support for the likes of SF, PBP or AAA, you're only kidding yourself.

    A tiny minority of the population are about to dance to the tune of these pied pipers - won't make a blind bit of difference to water charges coming in.

    It's handy for them to be able to spin the line that the money collected by IW is going to foreign bankers. But how would they explain why countries like Norway and Canada which escaped a banking crisis charge their populations for water. Just as countries like Greece and Iceland which had banking crises do.

    Our unique position among developed countries goes back to 1977 (when local taxes which paid for bins and water were abolished along with Motor Tax). The only people now putting faith in that failed model are SF and the groups you mentioned. Everyone else including FF themselves have recognised that to depend on income tax and VAT to fund nearly everything is just economic lunacy.

    They will still fund a portion of the cost of water but that is normal. They fund a portion of the cost of every train and bus journey but people don't protest that some of the cost should not fall on the end user. As a PAYE person I am glad to see other sections of the population having to pay a bit. Even if it won't help me since I know that the country will still have to keep borrowing. Well off people with big houses and accountants at least can't avoid property tax and water and bin charges. We have unique socialists in this country who want no tax on private property and no service charges.

    Long before any banking crisis, previous governments tried and failed to bring in property tax and water charges. They did suceed in reintroducing Motor Tax and they brought in bin charges. The failed 1977 gamble has gradually unwinded.

    But I am not discounting the possibility, even probability that SF will get into power and reverse the whole lot again.


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    #4151
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Let our Government, who are one of the highest paid Governments in the world, and the likes pay back the debt!

    Not the likes of families who have joint incomes of between €400-€600 a week and have to pay mortgages, other utility bills, property tax, petrol, tax, insurance and have just enough left for a bit of food shopping at the end of the week!

    People laughing at the marchers today you should be ashamed of yourselves, God forbid you ever ended up in a similar situation you wouldn't be so quick to laugh at people standing up for themselves.

    Typical 'someone else needs to pay for it' rubbish.


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    #4152
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Hard Left is something I will never be. Centre Right I am. We do not have straight forward centre right politics in this country. For me this is about fairness. People simply do not have the money for this. Both FG and FF have shown themselves to be as bad as each other.

    Why to you feel the need to try and insult any posters intelligence because their opinion differs to yours. What is your interest in IW? Its fairly obvious you have some link to them.

    How would you know?
    Carried out a survey have we and then elected ourselves spokesman of 'the people'?

    Try to cut services and you'll have the exact same people and the exact same political parties out marching - funny that isn't it?.


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    #4153
    Ilovemyusername
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Ilovemyusername


    Well they're the ones that caused the country to be in debt why should we pay for it when we simply cannot afford to? It's not "the typical someone else needs to pay for it" rubbish as you said either, we're paying tax and property tax already.

    We've been paying water taxes for years, are those taxes going to be reduced?


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    #4154
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Well they're the ones that caused the country to be in debt why should we pay for it when we simply cannot afford to? It's not "the typical someone else needs to pay for it" rubbish as you said either, we're paying tax and property tax already.

    We've been paying water taxes for years, are those taxes going to be reduced?

    So the huge amount of people who took out silly mortgages and can't pay them back now aren't to also blame?


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    #4155
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Well they're the ones that caused the country to be in debt why should we pay for it when we simply cannot afford to? It's not "the typical someone else needs to pay for it" rubbish as you said either, we're paying tax and property tax already.

    We've been paying water taxes for years, are those taxes going to be reduced?

    Politicians didn't put the country in debt. You could argue they failed to prevent it but the cause was the economy expanding too fast and then collapsing when the property bubble burst.

    And yes, it's looking very likely there will be a tax reduction of some sort this year.


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    #4156
    Ilovemyusername
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Ilovemyusername


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    So the huge amount of people who took out silly mortgages and can't pay them back now aren't to also blame?

    Where exactly did I say that?


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    #4157
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Politicians didn't put the country in debt. You could argue they failed to prevent it but the cause was the economy expanding too fast and then collapsing when the property bubble burst.

    It really shows the attitude of some of these protestors.

    All it is is ah sure its the governments fault were in this mess.

    I said it last night, there is around a 100 people sleeping rough each night in Ireland.

    Everyone else has a roof over their head. Its not as bad as these mobs are trying to make out.


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    #4158
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Where exactly did I say that?

    When you said they're the ones that caused the country to be in debt.


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    #4159
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    It really shows the attitude of some of these protestors.

    All it is is ah sure its the governments fault were in this mess.

    I said it last night, there is around a 100 people sleeping rough each night in Ireland.

    Everyone else has a roof over their head. Its not as bad as these mobs are trying to make out.

    Wasn't even the same bloody government.


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    #4160
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What time is the march supposed to start?
    thanks.


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    #4161
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Jake1 wrote: »
    What time is the march supposed to start?
    thanks.

    2 I think


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    #4162
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    It really shows the attitude of some of these protestors.

    All it is is ah sure its the governments fault were in this mess.

    I said it last night, there is around a 100 people sleeping rough each night in Ireland.

    Everyone else has a roof over their head. Its not as bad as these mobs are trying to make out.

    It really is a tiny amount but you have Simon and whoever else making it sound like an epidemic to guilt people/government into giving them funding.

    Some of those 100 may prefer to be on the streets because some hostels etc. won't let them drink or obviously do drugs like they can on the street


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    #4163
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    2 I think

    cheers,ye handsome beast,

    yeah,I just looked at one of the DC webams, they are on O' Connell Street now

    http://my.liveireland.com/page/webcams-1


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    #4164
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Jake1 wrote: »
    What time is the march supposed to start?
    thanks.

    You've missed it.


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    #4165
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I'm here now.

    Serious serious crowd here. 100k being suggested.


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    #4166
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,002 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ilovemyusername wrote: »
    Well they're the ones that caused the country to be in debt why should we pay for it when we simply cannot afford to? It's not "the typical someone else needs to pay for it" rubbish as you said either, we're paying tax and property tax already.

    We've been paying water taxes for years, are those taxes going to be reduced?

    No they will be put towards reducing our deficit even further which needs to be done. Just cus you don't like the fact that we are running a massive deficit and need to pay it down doesn't make it not true.


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    #4167
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I'm here now.

    Serious serious crowd here. 100k being suggested.

    Suggested by who?


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    #4168
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,002 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I'm here now.

    Serious serious crowd here. 100k being suggested.

    Until I see pics i will refuse to believe that.


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    #4169
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    VinLieger wrote: »
    No they will be put towards reducing our deficit even further which needs to be done. Just cus you don't like the fact that we are running a massive deficit and need to pay it down doesn't make it not true.

    Of which a third goes on welfare.


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    #4170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Barely There wrote: »
    You've missed it.

    I wasnt actually going, just wanted to have a look and see if many turned out really


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    #4171
    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Until I see pics i will refuse to believe that.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/dublintraffic/site16Camera6.jpg


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