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    #4232
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Im at Trinity College and there are still people at The Garden of Rememberance. Its the biggest in decades for sure. Possibly over 100k id say.

    Well done to all.

    All walking in Indian file, then?


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    #4233
    knarkypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭knarkypants


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/

    Up to 50k is the estimate so far from RTE, good turn out I'd say!

    I think everyone is surprised at the turnout tbh. It's much bigger than anyone expected.


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    #4234
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/

    RTE updating quite quickly! Up to 100k now

    "Organisers have estimated". That is what is being reported.


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    #4235
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/

    RTE updating quite quickly! Up to 100k now

    They're saying that's the organisers estimate. 'Gardai won't be commenting on numbers' made me laugh - perhaps they've lost count!


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    #4236
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    knarkypants wrote: »
    I think everyone is surprised at the turnout tbh. It's much bigger than anyone expected.

    How do you know who is surprised and what people expected?


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    #4237
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    You're having a laugh.. RTE has long ago been shown to be little more than a government mouthpiece - I'd expect minimal coverage of this on tonight's news with a few seconds of video.
    No they aren't. RTE are an independent body. I'm sorry if that negatively affects your claims of bias but that's the truth.
    As for the Gardai... have you forgotten that Shatter and Callinan were both (rightly) forced to resign because of the handling of the Whistleblower affair? Then there's the countless scandals and corruption they've been involved in over the years (the Donegal stuff, money disappearing from stations, penalty points etc)
    All absolutely irrelevant to the fact that the gardai are an independent body with no incentive to misreport the numbers.
    The fact is that we'll never know how many people actually turned up but your faith in the 2 bodies in question is misplaced
    True but the protestors have an incentive to lie, RTE and the gardai do not.


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    #4238
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Good on ye lads!!!


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    #4239
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    I know it's organisers but I would imagine there is some substance behind it if RTE are reporting it. I'm sure accuate figures will come from somewhere, why AGS won't release them is a strange one


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    #4240
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    They didn't close Dawson street until just before the protest. There are cars on Dawson street that haven't moved in an hour and a half. I'd say that could be seen as a sign that there was a far bigger turnout than expected


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    #4241
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No they aren't. RTE are an independent body. I'm sorry if that negatively affects your claims of bias but that's the truth.


    All absolutely irrelevant to the fact that the gardai are an independent body with no incentive to misreport the numbers.


    True but the protestors have an incentive to lie, RTE and the gardai do not.


    The fact that you are so naive about rte & the government of the day leads me to rubbish anything you have to say !!
    Oh I'm not on either side when it comes to Irish water so I have no agenda either way.


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    #4242
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    I know it's organisers but I would imagine there is some substance behind it if RTE are reporting it. I'm sure accuate figures will come from somewhere, why AGS won't release them is a strange one

    They haven't released figures yet, but they're sure to in due course.


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    #4243
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Ya can knock the "usual suspects" hippies and scumbags meme. Crowd at march are citizens from all walks of life.


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    #4244
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They haven't released figures yet, but they're sure to in due course.

    Sorry, I've a serious case of the stupid today :/ dunno how I read that as not releasing numbers at all.


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    #4245
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Sorry, I've a serious case of the stupid today :/ dunno how I read that as not releasing numbers at all.

    I read it the same way!


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    #4246
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    hawkelady wrote: »
    The fact that you are so naive about rte & the government of the day leads me to rubbish anything you have to say !!
    Oh I'm not on either side when it comes to Irish water so I have no agenda either way.
    What is RTE's incentive to lie? What are the Gardaí's incentive to lie? The organizers have an incentive to lie, the other two bodies do not.


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    #4247
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What is RTE's incentive to lie? What are the Gardaí's incentive to lie? The organizers have an incentive to lie, the other two bodies do not.

    Government shills, Enda111!!!!1111111

    /readjusts tinfoil hat


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    #4248
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Government shills, Enda111!!!!1111111

    /readjusts tinfoil hat
    Apparently we're now assuming any organization funded by the government must be government shills.


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    #4249
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What is RTE's incentive to lie? What are the Gardaí's incentive to lie? The organizers have an incentive to lie, the other two bodies do not.

    You can't assume they don't - and I'm not saying that they do. Just that people need to search for multiple sources of information and make a decision based on that. Blindly following just one is naive to the extreme (and that goes for both sides)


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    #4250
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What is RTE's incentive to lie? What are the Gardaí's incentive to lie? The organizers have an incentive to lie, the other two bodies do not.


    FFS the chairman of RTE Board is the Director of the PR company that advise Fine Gael.
    Do you think they will be advising Enda to say this was a great success?


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    #4251
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    zanador wrote: »
    You can't assume they don't - and I'm not saying that they do. Just that people need to search for multiple sources of information and make a decision based on that. Blindly following just one is naive to the extreme (and that goes for both sides)
    The burden of proof lies on the people making the accusation of corruption.


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    #4252
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Satriale wrote: »
    FFS the chairman of RTE Board is the Director of the PR company that advise Fine Gael.
    Do you think they will be advising Enda to say this was a great success?

    Who cares either way, as it is already a huge success, just look at the turnout, it's insanely huge. Well done folks.


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    #4253
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The burden of proof lies on the people making the accusation of corruption.

    That wasn't my point - my point was that don't believe one single source, look at multiple sources. For eg RTE and the Irish Times are saying 50k. The Socialist workers are saying 150K. Some protesters are saying 100K.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle of all that - and if you believe something just because you disagree with the opposition then you are the same as them.


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    #4254
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Satriale wrote: »
    FFS the chairman of RTE Board is the Director of the PR company that advise Fine Gael.
    Do you think they will be advising Enda to say this was a great success?
    Tom Savage? Go on.


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    #4255
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Satriale wrote: »
    FFS the chairman of RTE Board is the Director of the PR company that advise Fine Gael.
    Do you think they will be advising Enda to say this was a great success?

    Are you accusing him of breaching the Code of Business Conduct for Board members?

    http://www.rte.ie/documents/about/code-of-business-conduct-board-members.pdf


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    #4256
    knarkypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭knarkypants


    The latest from RTE

    "Organisers estimate up to 100k.....Gardaí estimate up to 30k.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/


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    #4257
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Have the water charges been cancelled yet?


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    #4258
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    zanador wrote: »
    That wasn't my point - my point was that don't believe one single source, look at multiple sources. For eg RTE and the Irish Times are saying 50k. The Socialist workers are saying 150K. Some protesters are saying 100K.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle of all that
    RTE have claimed 50k? I haven't seen that. The gardaí are claiming 30k.

    RTE, the Gardaí and the Irish Times have no incentive to message the figures. The socialist workers and the protesters themselves do.

    So far the only number from any official body I have seen is 30k.


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    #4259
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 18,002 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I'd find it a lot easier to believe 30-40k than 100k from looking at those pictures.

    No matter who you want to trust it is all just an estimate and everyone has an agenda to make the number bigger or smaller so more than likely it is somewhere in the middle.


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    #4260
    zanador
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭zanador


    knarkypants wrote: »
    The latest from RTE

    "Organisers estimate up to 100k.....Gardaí estimate up to 30k.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/

    And SWP say 150K - have to say they irritate me because their extremes serve to take away from the validity of the march as much as underestimations do.


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    #4261
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I'd find it a lot easier to believe 30-40k than 100k from looking at those pictures.

    No matter who you want to trust it is all just an estimate and everyone has an agenda to make the number bigger or smaller so more than likely it is somewhere in the middle.
    What agenda do RTE and the Gardaí have?


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