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arse..biscuits

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Thanks for your honest answer. In all fairness though, it's votes that count at the end of the day, and if there was 100,000 folk there, I think this is a big worry for the government.

You're right. And in other news today, Paul Murphy was elected in Dublin South-West after running a mainly Anti-water charges campaign.

keith16

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So angry

Show me on the doll where the publican/train touched you

This is why I can't take you seriously.

I saw you thanked a post by someone else who said it was hard to take debate seriously when one side would resort to saying something like "moany Joany" or something like that.

That's fair enough. But yet here you are with this childish nonsense....did someone touch me??? FFS.

Once again, one side of the argument is characterised by duplicity and hypocrisy.

Where did the publican/train touch me? At least make it sound coherent.

EDIT: Only see Mod warning now. I'm finished, no more on this from me.

DamagedTrax

Phoebas wrote: »

The Gardai are lying about the figure at the behest of the government. Fair enough Banjo - is the tinfoil hat a comfortable fit?

funnily enough 'crowd counting' is a real science (as bizarre as it sounds) and cops the world over are specifically told to underestimate at protests to stop late swells that could over power them. its a tactic thats been used by the met in london to great (depending on your POV) affect.

so yes, its done all the time by cops at protests.

mickydoomsux

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Worried that their dream Irish Water project will be scrapped. It will fail spectacularly judging by today's crowd if most don't pay. I can think of the other hundreds of thousands around the country who didn't march today. Word will spread back to them and they will be lifted by today's action and feel confident in not paying knowing there are thousands of others taking the same action.

Equally, maybe not

Highflyer13

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And as I am always moved to remark on these occasions. Look, Mary Lou has sent her messenger boy along.

And here we go again, another wild observation and frankly a bit insulting tbh.

Dyr

Phoebas wrote: »

I already answered twice and provided a link.

Nah you didn't. You linked to RTEs website, which has this:

It is understood gardaí estimated the attendance at up to 30,000.

Thats classic journo speak for unattributed speculation


Now, third time of asking, and maybe read the question carefully:

Where did the gardai give a figure for the numbers?

Glock Lesnar

Technoprisoner wrote: »

50% of any the figures given here today is a big amount.....this comment by you is disgraceful to all those who legitimately protested today. most people in this country at the moment are struggling to pay bills and morgtages and you make a comment that because they cant afford to pay there bills they are either left wing sinn fein tax dodgers or weed smoking hippies. you obviously live in a different world to the ordinary hard working person of this country who are on their knees due to debt that was put on us by the former government

Look at the pictures on facebook, rabble.ie have them if you're like me and don't know anyone at the protest, you'll known in your heart that I'm right about the make up if the crowd

arse..biscuits

Bambi wrote: »

Nah you didn't. You linked to RTEs website, which has this:



Thats classic journo speak for unattributed speculation


Now, third time of asking, and maybe read the question carefully:

Where did the gardai give a figure for the numbers?

From The Journal.ie

"The gardaí would not confirm the numbers of today’s protest, stating that they would not be making an estimate."

Muir

AGS on Twitter are saying "no figures available im afraid."

eeepaulo

42 000 000 it is then

(or just banjo)

Technoprisoner

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

Look at the pictures on facebook, rabble.ie have them if you're like me and don't know anyone at the protest, you'll known in your heart that I'm right about the make up if the crowd

i was at the protest...i dont take drugs...i work 6 days a week and pay my taxes...and i protested today against the water charges....i had every right to do so as well. but you just pigeon holed me as a drug taking tax dodger.... i have more than 1 friend who is currently having their homes repossessed. homes that they where very easily paying for before the debt of anglo was put on the citizens of ireland. and im not talking about big fancy mansions. im talking about low standard housing in not so great areas...and guess what...they worked hard and dont take drugs either

so to try rubbish what happened today with comments like yours is sickening.

keith16

arse..biscuits wrote: »

From The Journal.ie

"The gardaí would not confirm the numbers of today’s protest, stating that they would not be making an estimate."

Muir wrote: »

AGS on Twitter are saying "no figures available im afraid."

Says it all.

KERSPLAT!

keith16 wrote: »

Says it all.

Says that they aren't releasing figures. What do you think it says?

Cantona's Collars

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Says that they aren't releasing figures. What do you think it says?

It was said before the protest that if a huge crowd turned out,then the usual (RTE & AGS) wouldn't comment on numbers.

There's a few here that are gutted so many turned out.

KERSPLAT!

zerks wrote: »

It was said before the protest that if a huge crowd turned out,then the usual (RTE & AGS) wouldn't comment on numbers.

There's a few here that are gutted so many turned out.

Could there be other reasons why they'd hold back the info? Genuinely interested. As I said before, I wasn't there but more power to the people that were

DamagedTrax

zerks wrote: »

There's a few here that are gutted so many turned out.

and for no reason at all to do with the charges, purely so they can feel vindicated in their derision of others standing up for what they believe in.

zanador

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Says that they aren't releasing figures. What do you think it says?

Why do YOU think they're not?

Edit: just saw you asking the same of someone else above!

padma

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i was at the protest...i dont take drugs...i work 6 days a week and pay my taxes...and i protested today against the water charges....i had every right to do so as well. but you just pigeon holed me as a drug taking tax dodger.... i have more than 1 friend who is currently having their homes repossessed. homes that they where very easily paying for before the debt of anglo was put on the citizens of ireland. and im not talking about big fancy mansions. im talking about low standard housing in not so great areas...and guess what...they worked hard and dont take drugs either

so to try rubbish what happened today with comments like yours is sickening.

Me too...was at the protest...first weekend ive had off since early August. Comments like you quoted show the brainwashing and fantasy land some people live in.. no respect for Irish people at all in our wonderful demographic.

mrsbyrne

Bongalongherb wrote: »

He lives with his wife just the two of them. I asked him there was he on the household benefits package and he said he doesn't know. I'll print out the information regarding this package for him so.

Bongalong as he is over 70 hes entitled to €35 per month towards his light bill, a free tv license, free travel for him and a companion aged over 16 and next year €100 towards his water bill. He may also be entitled to €20 per week fuel allowance and a medical card unless he snd his wife have more than €900 per week income. If he wants the €100 water money he will have to complete the applocation form.

Cantona's Collars

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Could there be other reasons why they'd hold back the info? Genuinely interested. As I said before, I wasn't there but more power to the people that were

Toeing the government line imo.The govt. will do anything to downplay the opposition to this charge.

keith16

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Says that they aren't releasing figures. What do you think it says?

Exactly this:

zerks wrote: »

It was said before the protest that if a huge crowd turned out,then the usual (RTE & AGS) wouldn't comment on numbers.

There's a few here that are gutted so many turned out.

zanador

zerks wrote: »

Toeing the government line imo.The govt. will do anything to downplay the opposition to this charge.

Perhaps rather than toe the line and under count they abstained?

Highflyer13

Looking forward to the November 1st national day of protest when this movement sweeps through the land. Upcoming Budget might take some spark out of it but hopefully people can see past the sweeteners whatever they may be.

In Lonesome Dove

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Great turnout today by people from all walks of life and from all corners of the country. Not just people playing to the tune of the lefties as some would say. If this crowd stay true to their word the plan to charge people for will fail.

Well done to all who got out and marched. The pro Irish water lads can pipe down a bit with their confidence that only a minority don't support the water charges. There are many more who couldn't make it to Dublin today for all sorts of reasons. Momentum is gathering and no doubt FG and Labour are worried this evening.

I wanted to be there today and well done to all who came out. I hope there's more of it.

I'm sitting on the fence in the middle in relation to water charges. I would have been able to swallow a flat rate for water so much more easier than metering. The reason for these water charges is to close the deficit. I think going about setting up a quango and installing meters was just jobs for the boys type of thing when the country is supposed to be broke.

The water charges is a measure brought in to close the deficit. With many more countries like uk, and some other european countries and the usa with similar problems to us like sovereign debt, deficits, large unemployment, the problem is so deep and goes back to the way money is made creating boom and bust cycles.

KERSPLAT!

I'll watch the news at 9 with interest. It should get plenty of air time, we'll see.

Reformed Character

From the RTE website
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1011/651606-water-charges/
Organisers estimated that up to 100,000 people took part.
It is understood gardaí estimated the attendance at up to 30,000.

Looks to me like the militant subversive left are up to their usual tricks, with their claims being 300% out , in their favour.
The usual "something for nothing" brigade blocking the capitals main street and causing traffic mayhem.

In Lonesome Dove

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Looking forward to the November 1st national day of protest when this movement sweeps through the land. Upcoming Budget might take some spark out of it but hopefully people can see past the sweeteners whatever they may be.

I wish this protest day would be brought forward a week with cut off point for signing up being the 31st of this month.

Bongalongherb

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Bongalong as he is over 70 hes entitled to €35 per month towards his light bill, a free tv license, free travel for him and a companion aged over 16 and next year €100 towards his water bill. He may also be entitled to €20 per week fuel allowance and a medical card unless he snd his wife have more than €900 per week income. If he wants the €100 water money he will have to complete the applocation form.

Thanks mrsbyrne I asked him again was he getting these entitlements, and he said he was. So he's on the household benefits package. He's not great with the memory but he understands now so all good. I told him the situation regarding the €100 towards his water bill.

Cheers.

Cantona's Collars

Revenue got involved with the LPT and dipped into people's wages,this is different.People have had enough. The USC was meant to be temporary & we see no sign of it going.LPT was meant to go on services,so far I've seen zero change despite the fancy brochure that came through my letterbox.
Water charges which just seem to be there to pay the set up & wages plus bonuses of IW staff. Not a penny seems to be going to actually provide decent drinking water - ask the residents of Galway,Roscommon & South Wexford.

The population is broke yet the govt. blindly see them as a cash cow to be milked again & again.This time thousands upon thousands stood up & said no.

DamagedTrax

Reformed Character wrote: »

Looks to me like the militant subversive left are up to their usual tricks, with their claims being 300% out , in their favour.
The usual "something for nothing" brigade blocking the capitals main street and causing traffic mayhem.

HOW DARE THESE PROLES VOICE THEIR OPINION ON SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT THEIR FUTURE GENERATIONS :eek::eek::eek:

In other news today: 50,000 protesters had an iphone 6 despite an estimated turnout of 12 people.