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    #422
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Who are these plenty of other service providers you keep writing about? Do any of them use meters? Do any of them have to give an allowance rather than use the meter figure?

    Your dishonest friends may claim for loads of people not living at their address but the cross checking will ensure that if those people get the allowance at that address they won't get it anywhere else.

    The ESB for one, Phone and Broadband for another.
    What dishonest friends ? are you getting that desperate now ?


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    #423
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ogham wrote: »
    1 Other service provviders just send out bills - they aren't too bothered exactly who you are as long as they have a name and address and they get paid. They have their own reference numbers etc etc. They don't have to be able to potentially cross check with welfare or revenue to see if a person exists.

    2 - The free allowance is ONE per house not 1 per person. If someone had 2 homes and they said their adult son lived in the second home (but he is really overseas) and gave his PPS number - then there is a chance they might get the free allowance. BUT - they would have to lie on the form obviously and say he lived there all the time. That would be fraud - and it will happen but using PPS will help reduce it.

    (This is My last reply )

    Farewell. We are dealing here with professional legal practitioners (at least in one case) as well as amateur lawyers. It was much the same for the Household Charge discussions but a lot of people who swore they would never pay (including some TD's) probably did pay in the end.


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    #424
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    EunanMac wrote: »
    The ESB for one, Phone and Broadband for another.
    What dishonest friends ? are you getting that desperate now ?

    The ones you said would claim for people not living at the address. If there aren't any of them it won't be an issue. I pay whatever is on the bill for my phone and ESB. There could be one person or twenty people using their service, they don't need to adjust the bill.


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    #425
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The ones you said would claim for people not living at the address. If there aren't any of them it won't be an issue. I pay whatever is on the bill for my phone and ESB. There could be one person or twenty people using their service, they don't need to adjust the bill.

    You claimed I had dishonest friends, why are you lying ?


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    #426
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I thought all you guys were on the same side.

    I actually was logging on to post the same quote and source as dx, but kudos to him he saved me the bother.

    Let me point it out to you......

    If you do not have a PPS number, you can contact your local social welfare office for details on how to apply for one, or a bank may accept a copy of your birth certificate instead.

    Or, long story short, you don't need a pps no in order to open a bank account. It may be handier to give one, but it's not a necessity.

    And that's not me saying that, that's taken from http://www.consumerhelp.ie/opening-an-account

    Thank you for your advice. But as a lawyer what is your interpretation of the word "may" in this context? Could it possibly mean that a bank also may not accept a birth cert. I know all financial institutions have a space for the PPS number on their account opening forms so it may be that they expect this to be provided as the default position. In legal speak the word "will" should have been used there if that is what the banks have agreed to.


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    #427
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    srsly78 wrote: »
    The Irish public debt, incurred because everyone went full retard on property.

    How many unregistered landlords are gonna get caught out by this pps number thing I wonder?
    Theres an interesting point. Id like to see the figures re: actual unpaid mortgages vs bondholders losses etc.


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    #428
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    You only need pps number for an interest paying account. Not for a normal current account.


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    #429
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    srsly78 wrote: »
    You only need pps number for an interest paying account. Not for a normal current account.

    Why is that?


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    #430
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Because there are tax implications: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/dirt/


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    #431
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Because there are tax implications: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/dirt/

    Thank you. Would you have any concerns about data protection in providing your PPS number to a private company like a bank or Irish Water?


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    #432
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Just dropping in to see is dxhound rooting for the establishment as usual .. and yep he's at it again. The lads in power can do no wrong.


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    #433
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Just dropping in to see is dxhound rooting for the establishment as usual .. and yep he's at it again. The lads in power can do no wrong.

    Have you started building that house yet? Any recent developments up at FG HQ?


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    #434
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Thank you. Would you have any concerns about data protection in providing your PPS number to a private company like a bank or Irish Water?

    No concerns. Providing your details for stuff is pretty normal, and required by law in many circumstances. We have data protection legislation for this purpose.


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    #435
    Wailin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Vincent Round Sunglasses wrote: »
    Just for the record, I am pro water charges and feel we should have had them years ago but I am not a FG supporter - doesn't mean I won't vote for one of them sometime if I like what they are doing as I'm fickle that way and a real floating voter. Trying to label posters because of their views is a poor argument.


    Just out of curiosity, why are you pro water charges? Are you actually naive enough to think it will improve water quality? It's just another tax that the government can raise at budgets and make normal living for a high percentage of people in this country extremely unbearable. Were you pro property tax too?


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    #436
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Wailin wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, why are you pro water charges? Are you actually naive enough to think it will improve water quality? It's just another tax that the government can raise at budgets and make normal living for a high percentage of people in this country extremely unbearable. Were you pro property tax too?

    How high is that percentage?


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    #437
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Nobody likes paying tax. Some people seem to be pro-deficit however.


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    #438
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Because there are tax implications: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/dirt/

    More info here too http://www.moneyguideireland.com/should-banks-be-asking-for-pps-numbers.html


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    #439
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Nobody likes paying tax. Some people seem to be pro-deficit however.

    Pro who's deficit ?


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    #440
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Ogham wrote: »
    More info here too http://www.moneyguideireland.com/should-banks-be-asking-for-pps-numbers.html

    So you were lying as well


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    #441
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Have you started building that house yet? Any recent developments up at FG HQ?

    No all is quiet around there, havnt enough posters collected to build the house.

    Give us a sip of some of that power when the boys in FG finally reward you for your years of hard work defending them in the online world


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    #442
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Thank you. Would you have any concerns about data protection in providing your PPS number to a private company like a bank or Irish Water?

    Irish Water are 100% state owned - not a private company in the way I think you mean. They are not the same as a bank (then again the state own a fair bit of them too!)


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    #443
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    EunanMac wrote: »
    So you were lying as well

    :confused:


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    #444
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    No all is quiet around there, havnt enough posters collected to build the house.

    Give us a sip of some of that power when the boys in FG finally reward you for your years of hard work defending them in the online world

    I fear that nobody noticed except yourself so it has been a bit of a fools errand. Especially when they will be turfed out and all the anti austerity people will be undoing what I fought so hard for.


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    #445
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Ogham wrote: »
    :confused:

    You claimed it was your last post


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    #446
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    :D
    EunanMac wrote: »
    You claimed it was your last post
    :D


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    #447
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I'll pay the water charge only after irish water give me a functioning stopcock and a waste pipe from our bathroom that doesn't require unblocking by a drain company every two months on the dot.

    The pipe is a public one and is unblocked by the council fir me. They know the problem with it, they also know the stopcock is broken but i've been told to wait for irish water to be in charge, as 'they'll have the money'.
    So i've no way of turning off water to my home if they're an emergency and a waste pipe that needs replacing.

    I have no fairh that this company is going to do anything worthwhile.
    And when they're part of a tribunal in years to come i, for one, won't be surprised


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    #448
    Wailin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭Wailin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    How high is that percentage?


    That statement wasn't directed at you, but I am sure you know the figures well enough being a pawn for FG.


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    #449
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Thank you for your advice. But as a lawyer what is your interpretation of the word "may" in this context? Could it possibly mean that a bank also may not accept a birth cert. I know all financial institutions have a space for the PPS number on their account opening forms so it may be that they expect this to be provided as the default position. In legal speak the word "will" should have been used there if that is what the banks have agreed to.

    Personally, I would think the killer word in there would be "instead"
    srsly78 wrote: »
    You only need pps number for an interest paying account. Not for a normal current account.
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Why is that?

    It is to do with DIRT, so tied with revenue/tax payments.

    Did you even read the details in the link you provided, because from where I'm sitting, it doesn't look like it.


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    #450
    EunanMac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭EunanMac


    Ogham wrote: »
    :D
    :D

    and now you're a proven liar


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    #451
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Wailin wrote: »
    That statement wasn't directed at you, but I am sure you know the figures well enough being a pawn for FG.

    What percentage though?


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