***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Highflyer13

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

https://i.imgur.com/4xSXaCA.jpg

It's going to get harder and harder to defend the mob

I think that banner oversteps the mark tbf. Extremely distasteful but that's only one person. No doubt many of you will try and say that as being representative of all protesters.

Sweet Rose

Bambi wrote: »

I think they were from donegal, which would explain a lot :pac:

That's one person from Donegal who put the banner up, which is not representative of every last person from Donegal so don't generalise. I'm from Donegal and I think it was disgraceful too.

mickydoomsux

Sweet Rose wrote: »

To make up for mistakes which I blooming didn't well make, that's why!

The way a society works is that you share in the hardships as well as availing of the advantages.

keith16

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The way a society works is that you share in the hardships as well as availing of the advantages.

Laughable. You are so out of touch with reality.

When have huge Irish bank profits been soicalised in the same way their losses have been?

Little CuChulainn

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The way a society works is that you share in the hardships as well as availing of the advantages.

Exactly, I'd say people, in general, did as much to contribute to the boom as they did to contribute to the collapse. Happy to ride the waves they didn't create but looking for heads to roll when they fall off.

UCDVet

So - for fun - I compared the price of Irish Water to the price I used during my last trip to the United States.

Just for fun.

66,000m^3 of water/waste, with 1 adult, no children - €175.68
http://www.water.ie/customer-applications/charges/

The same amount of water/waste in the US - $44.11 (USD....so that's ~€35)

Blows my mind. As far as I know, water is pretty much water. I can't fathom why it should cost nearly five times as much here.

Curly Judge

Pwindedd wrote: »

I think this might be our case too. Last year there was a leak in our front garden. When the landlord finally got someone to fix it, we discovered we're on a shared feed with the neighbours, the water supply feeds next door first then us.

Only one meter has been installed outside between the 2 houses and I am yet to receive an application pack. We also had no communication from IW regarding the meter installation itself. It's like we don't exist. I am assuming that we will be on the flat rate charge, but not sure if I will contact IW or wait for them to contact me. Whilst I'm not vehemently against water charges, I will happily exploit a glitch in the system for a while (might put the money by just in case)

Hoping the neighbours don't get billed for our usage though. Does anyone know what the policy is for shared feeds. I would assume the fairest would be non-metered billing for both houses.

If I was you I'd move to have the situation regularised.
Your neighbor could end up paying for their own house and yours.
The way your supply was set up is not standard practice and could have arisen as a result of a bit of sharp practice on someones (I'm not saying your) part.
At the very least they were trying to avoid the connection fee back then.

Mrs Garth Brooks

Is there any way to get the water tested?

I've been suffering from migraines for 9 years. And just lately I found out that other neighbours also has migraines. Not just headaches and trying to sympathise with me, bla bla bla, but the real thing vomiting and everything associated with migraines.

I made a joke is there something in the water. But to hear of so many other neighbours too.

Sue the ass off Irish Water. I'll be rich.

mickydoomsux

UCDVet wrote: »

So - for fun - I compared the price of Irish Water to the price I used during my last trip to the United States.

Just for fun.

66,000m^3 of water/waste, with 1 adult, no children - €175.68
http://www.water.ie/customer-applications/charges/

The same amount of water/waste in the US - $44.11 (USD....so that's ~€35)

Blows my mind. As far as I know, water is pretty much water. I can't fathom why it should cost nearly five times as much here.

Where in the US? It sort of a big place and I sincerely doubt it costs the same country wide.

0byme75341jo28

Sweet Rose wrote: »

To make up for mistakes which I blooming didn't well make, that's why!

That doesn't change the fact that the government has to increase revenue.

Sweet Rose

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The way a society works is that you share in the hardships as well as availing of the advantages.

In theory but certainly not in practice. By this reasoning I also have a right to decide where my taxes are being used and how the finances of this country are accounted for. If my taxes have been flushed down the toilet, unevenly distributed or unfairly spent, then I am well within my rights to protest about this!!

In Lonesome Dove

Sweet Rose wrote: »

I think it's fantastic to see so many people out in force protesting over these endless charges. I'm so happy that Irish people are starting to get a bit of a back bone and exercising their right to protest. We are being bled dry no end and if the government think oh well they'll just lie down and roll over, then they'll never draw the line and keep charging us whatever charge/tax they can think of next.

C'mon Irish people. Let's stand up and fight back. Let's not be money making, tax raking robots for the government!

It been flown about for some time online that Ireland was the bold girl of europe, creating a construction bubble, and blowing it's economy up with an unsustainable tax base and here we are today with our problems of a deficit, debt, unemployment.

But can anybody answer me something. If this is the case, if we take the UK, our nearest neighbour, it appears they have many ingredients for a healthy economy with a broadened tax base. They have the council taxes, water taxes along with other taxes income tax, vat and all that. Social welfare and unemployment assistance is low to encourage people to take up work. Wages are lower to create conditions for employment.

But how come they have the same problems as us: deficit, debt, large lob losses and unemployment too.

Other countries too have the same. Spain for example. Their sw is next to nothing with many adults well into their 30s still living at home. They have a property tax and water charges too. Other European countries are in the same boat too. The USA has similar problems too.

The problem is going so much more deeper.

_Kaiser_

Macie Polite Ostrich wrote: »

Why do you think the government wants to take in this tax? They're not doing it just for the fun of it.

To maintain the status quo as long as they can - a status quo they and their hangers-on benefit most from, as well as being "good boys and girls" to their/our masters in Europe

I know that we seem to forgotten this in Ireland, but the government and its agencies (police, revenue and so on) works for the people - not the other way around. We, along with most of our counterparts on the continent, have been reduced to (expendable) assets in an economy rather than citizens in a country/community.

The government's role in tax terms is to take only enough as is needed to run the country and spend that money in a way that gives best value to the taxpayers. It's not intended to allow them to stuff their own pockets, create expensive unnecessary quangos as job creation schemes for the insider, or have us carry the can for the mistakes of the EU superstate that we've been sold into (and don't tell me we voted for it - voting in this country only counts if the "right" result is returned.. otherwise we can just do it again)

It's good to see that the ordinary citizen is starting to see this country for what it is, and those who are running it for the corrupt, incompetent wasters they are (whether it's FF, FG, LAB or the fringe extremists that make up our parliament). But marching down O'Connell Street is only part of the process - this needs to be followed-up in local and national elections and more immediately, through a unified resistance to the payment of IW bills.. something we've already paid for (or do the advocates really think the TD's did a whip-around every year to pay for it?).

TL;DR: Yesterday was a good start to getting the message that people have had enough out there, but whether the people will follow-through on this remains to be seen as it's the only way it might make a difference.

Little CuChulainn

Sweet Rose wrote: »

In theory but certainly not in practice. By this reasoning I also have a right to decide where my taxes are being used and how the finances of this country are accounted for. If my taxes have been flushed down the toilet, unevenly distributed or unfairly spent, then I am well within my rights to protest about this!!

You make that decision by electing representatives that will lobby for your view. That is what democracy is.

mickydoomsux

Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »

Is there any way to get the water tested?

I've been suffering from migraines for 9 years. And just lately I found out that other neighbours also has migraines. Not just headaches and trying to sympathise with me, bla bla bla, but the real thing vomiting and everything associated with migraines.

I made a joke is there something in the water. But to hear of so many other neighbours too.

Sue the ass off Irish Water. I'll be rich.

You forgot to wear your tinfoil hat so mobile phone masts/ pylons have fried your brain

Vinnie L

Why are people protesting now ? What an utter waste of time.
This was a done deal 4 years ago.
Typical clueless Irish public. No wonder they can have the wool pulled over their eyes so easily time and time again. Arse Holes.
Meanwhile the golden circle has long since moved on to enacting the next scam.

Iwasfrozen

I'd have more sympathy for the protesters if they'd stop waving disgusting flags.

Any decent people who were at the protest want to comment on this?

In Lonesome Dove

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Disgusting. You should post it on the protestors thread.



Did people say that? I'm pretty sure they were calling the people who were involved in trying to stop the meters as scumbags because that's what the videos showed. I'd love to see a post where someone called all anti-water meter people are scumbags if you can find one to back up your claim.



They didn't make them either.

Joan Burton a member of the government was baffled as to how protestors have phones. Probably assuming these people were all unemployed and how can they afford a phone.

Sweet Rose

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You make that decision by electing representatives that will lobby for your view. That is what democracy is.

I agree! Democracy is also freedom of speech and voting with your feet, which is what every single last person at the protest yesterday is entitled to do.

Highflyer13

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'd have more sympathy for the protesters if they'd stop waving disgusting flags.

Any decent people who were at the protest want to comment on this?

Yeah I do. Stop trying to say the disgusting banners are representative of the whole 100k ordinary decent men, women and children of Ireland that showed up to protest solely against these unjust charges and establishment of IW.

Xenji

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'd have more sympathy for the protesters if they'd stop waving disgusting flags.

Any decent people who were at the protest want to comment on this?

What is disgusting about it, it is a socialist symbol going back nearly 100 years, it is meant that a free Ireland would be free to control its future, people obviously feel that they are no longer free in their own country anymore, it has been used by the labour movement for decades as well including the Labour party.

Mrs Garth Brooks

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You forgot to wear your tinfoil hat so mobile phone masts/ pylons have fried your brain

I don't know about that.

I read a comment on facebook that someone drank water with human faeces in it. They tried to blame the doctor as a misdiagnosis and wouldn't test the water.

That alone would make anyone sick.

0byme75341jo28

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'd have more sympathy for the protesters if they'd stop waving disgusting flags.

Any decent people who were at the protest want to comment on this?

Excuse my ignorance, but what do those flags stand for? I presume it's some Irish nationalist thing, not too sure though.

I ended up at the protest yesterday by accident, didn't even know it was on before I went up but I was around the area so I saw it all happening but wasn't marching. To be honest most of it seemed very civil, I've no issues with people protesting as long as they go about it in the right way.

UCDVet

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Where in the US? It sort of a big place and I sincerely doubt it costs the same country wide.

Colorado - $2.53 per 1,000 Gallons (3,785 liters)

mickydoomsux

Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »

I don't know about that.

I read a comment on facebook that someone drank water with human faeces in it. They tried to blame the doctor as a misdiagnosis and wouldn't test the water.

That alone would make anyone sick.

Now if only there was some way to ensure that the water supply was clean and free of human faeces.

Perhaps we could set up some sort of company to do do........

Glock Lesnar

Happyman42 wrote: »

Fair enough...there where some idiots at the march. In a 100,000 or even 30,000 people gathered for anything, what do you think the chances of some of them being idiots would be?
Think, All-Ireland Final...Ulster Final...Ireland V Gibraltar etc.

I'm not sure if the Aviva offer the crowd cam feature anymore but I sincerely doubt any of the Irish fans' banners warned the Llanitos to think about there actions by claiming to speak for their collectively deceased mothers. There was a sinister element in the crowd that gathered yesterday, fuelled by misdirected anger and deep-seated unhappiness.

Xenji

Macie Polite Ostrich wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but what do those flags stand for? I presume it's some Irish nationalist thing, not too sure though.

I ended up at the protest yesterday by accident, didn't even know it was on before I went up but I was around the area so I saw it all happening but wasn't marching. To be honest most of it seemed very civil, I've no issues with people protesting as long as they go about it in the right way.

It was a flag first used by the Irish Citizen army 100 years ago, it was redesigned by the Republican Congress in the 30's who believed in Irish socialist republicanism and that a republic of a united Ireland will never be achieved except through a struggle which uproots capitalism on its way.

It has been used by the Labour Party, and various other labour movements, in recent times Sinn Fien and various other socialist parties have adopted it, it is hardly disgusting.

Iwasfrozen

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Yeah I do. Stop trying to say the disgusting banners are representative of the whole 100k ordinary decent men, women and children of Ireland that showed up to protest solely against these unjust charges and establishment of IW.

I'm not saying the flags represent all of the protesters, or even a minority but it would be nice if protesters could regulate themselves and ban these kinds of flags at demonstrations. It cheapens your whole cause and makes ordinary people less likely to take your side.

Sweet Rose

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Exactly, I'd say people, in general, did as much to contribute to the boom as they did to contribute to the collapse. Happy to ride the waves they didn't create but looking for heads to roll when they fall off.

Oh please, during the boom I had a mediocre salary doing a highly qualified job. Today, I earn an even more mediocre salary doing the same highly qualified job, while also trying to pay all the endless changes and extra taxes. Trying to squeeze water out of a bonedry rag.

Xenji

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm not saying the flags represent all of the protesters, or even a minority but it would be nice if protesters could regulate themselves and ban these kinds of flags at demonstrations. It cheapens your whole cause and makes ordinary people less likely to take your side.

Know what your flags are about first before you start referring to them as disgusting, might help.