***ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER CHARGE RELATED POST HERE***

Vinnie L

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

(1) At this time the state is still partly funding IW as it is only in its infancy however once it is properly established none of the tax take should be going towards them so you won't be paying twice.

So how much is general taxation going to be reduced by ?

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

(2) Presumably it's down to specialisation and expertise. Or if you want, corruption and nepotism.

Could you detail this specialism and expetise for us ? and exactly what the money was spend on ?

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

(3) They do.

For how long ? Untill enough public money has been plowed into it to make a killing for a private company ?

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

(4) Because 44% of our water is lost through leaky pipes. This is what happens when you try and control national water provision at local levels and the reason a company like IW was set up.

How does putting private meters at the end of the line, and charging us for the treatment of already leaked water, before we even get it, prevent mains leakage exactly ?

And if this is true why not put all Irish assets, roads, etc. into the hands of companies ?

cajonlardo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Summons the owner of the house. Presumably using details freely available in the register of electors and property registers.

Summons the owner of a house for what exactly?

I seriously doubt any clown can legally connect any foolish object their little hearts desire to my home and then have me summons for telling them to drop dead.

If that was true Sky wouldn't need to advertise , nor Eircom nor any other company.

Iwasfrozen

cajonlardo wrote: »

Summons the owner of a house for what exactly?

I seriously doubt any clown can legally connect any foolish object their little hearts desire to my home and then have me summons for telling them to drop dead.

If that was true Sky wouldn't need to advertise , nor Eircom nor any other company.

If can disconnect water from your house if you wish.

tayto lover

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

(1) At this time the state is still partly funding IW as it is only in its infancy however once it is properly established none of the tax take should be going towards them so you won't be paying twice.

(2) Presumably it's down to specialisation and expertise. Or if you want, corruption and nepotism.

(3) They do.

(4) Because 44% of our water is lost through leaky pipes. This is what happens when you try and control national water provision at local levels and the reason a company like IW was set up.



Summons the owner of the house. Presumably using details freely available in the register of electors and property registers.

Where's the contracts the owners signed?
Since when did the Register of Electors give the names of home-owners?

Iwasfrozen

My name is URL wrote: »

Bull****. You're just pathetically using the flags as a means of showing your contempt for those who protested because you can find no other reason for doing so.

Sad and pathetic, and completely transparent.

Actually no. I have no contempt for the protesters. I have contempt for militant symbols as any sane person should.

cajonlardo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If can disconnect water from your house if you wish.

Technically the can.

Legally Irish Water and numerous other sources have said they cannot. Either way it won't really affect most of us. We will just reconnect.Why do you post stuff when you know it is not true?

Beaner1

https://www.facebook.com/WorkersForWaterCharges

My name is URL

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Actually no. I have no contempt for the protesters. I have contempt for militant symbols as any sane person should.

They're both flags with a history going back far longer than when militants used them.

You have no idea if the people that had them at the protest did so to support militants, you're just assuming that they do.

Would you have the same issue with someone waving a Union Jack at a protest in the UK, given that so many militant and bigoted scumbags in the north also like to fly it?

If you want to be outraged by anything at the protest then it should be that disgusting banner that made reference to Enda Kenny's dead mother. That's something worth taking umbrage over.

dxhound2005

cajonlardo wrote: »

Technically the can.

Legally Irish Water and numerous other sources have said they cannot. Either way it won't really affect most of us. We will just reconnect.Why do you post stuff when you know it is not true?

Don't give out legal advice here, even if you are a legal professional. I suspect you are not, because legally IW can restrict the supply and this has been approved by the Regulator. Read the legislation. Numerous other sources are wrong, just like you are wrong.

And no legal professional would advise a client to interfere illegally with IW equipment.

Give us your advice on how to avoid paying the bill.

Iwasfrozen

cajonlardo wrote: »

Technically the can.

Legally Irish Water and numerous other sources have said they cannot. Either way it won't really affect most of us. We will just reconnect.Why do you post stuff when you know it is not true?

Iw can't disconnect your water for failing to pay but they can restrict supply and you can voluntarily disconnect your own water if you don't want to be billed.

cajonlardo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Don't give out legal advice here, even if you are a legal professional. I suspect you are not, because legally IW can restrict the supply and this has been approved by the Regulator. Read the legislation. Numerous other sources are wrong, just like you are wrong.

And no legal professional would advise a client to interfere illegally with IW equipment.

Give us your advice on how to avoid paying the bill.

A) Until you are Mod do not tell me what to post.

The lie the other poster stated was that I.W could DISCONNECT the supply. You , for some reason, have chosen to twist what I stated. Could you please explain why you felt the need to twist my words? This is typical of the lucozade you lot are posting over and over.

I never represented my self as a legal professional, can you please explain why you felt needed to make that up?

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Iw can't disconnect your water for failing to pay but they can restrict supply and you can voluntarily disconnect your own water if you don't want to be billed.

That is not what you posted.

Why do lot feel the need the lie so much?

Iwasfrozen

My name is URL wrote: »

They're both flags with a history going back far longer than when militants used them.

You have no idea if the people that had them at the protest did so to support militants, you're just assuming that they do.

Would you have the same issue with someone waving a Union Jack at a protest in the UK, given that so many militant and bigoted scumbags in the north also like to fly it?

If you want to be outraged by anything at the protest then it should be that disgusting banner that made reference to Enda Kenny's dead mother. That's something worth taking umbrage over.

They're flags that have been used by the IRA. Any sane person should avoid them like the plague but these people are consciously choosing to identify themselves with militant republicans.

Iwasfrozen

cajonlardo wrote: »

A) Until you are Mod do not tell me what to post.

The lie the other poster stated was that I.W could DISCONNECT the supply. You , for some reason, have chosen to twist what I stated. Could you please explain why you felt the need to twist my words? This is typical of the lucozade you lot are posting over and over.

I never represented my self as a legal professional, can you please explain why you felt needed to make that up?



That is not what you posted.

Why do lot feel the need the lie so much?

I never said Irish Water can disconnect supply. I wrote "if" can disconnect the supply which was a typo for "you" ...

Banjo String

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oh I forgot I'm on boards.ie, it's perfectly normal to fly militant flags at a peaceful demonstration...

Stop looking for any little reason to be outraged at tbh.

I was in Dublin yesterday, from 1pm to 8pm, never seen anyone flying them flags, obviously I didn't get to see every little flag and emblem from the 100k that took part in the protest, so that's not to say someone, somewhere had one.

I find it interesting that you linked to two digital images of the flags, rather than pictures of anyone at the protest carrying one though.

Any links?

UCDVet

dxhound2005 wrote: »

1.) Correct. The cost will still be subsidised from general taxation. Like train fares. The next time train fares go up don't expect a corresponding reduction in income tax.

2.) Partly correct. Borrowing is also being used to deliver "free" water to users. Because there is a shortfall between what is raised by taxation and what has to be spent on services, including water.

3.) Unless you can prove it you should't say that nobody or everybody wants X Y or Z. Some people may consider that as the end user of the service they should pay part of the cost of water directly, just as they do for the cost of a train ticket.

Re #3 -

In common conversation, it's understand that when talking about large groups of people, things aren't intended to be taken as literally true for each and every member of the group. If someone says, 'Irish are friendly folk...' they don't mean LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE IRISH PERSON....

When I said 'Nobody wants to pay more, while getting the same thing....' I mean that (almost) nobody wants to pay more, while getting the same thing. And if there is SOMEONE who does want to pay more - they always could have paid more, without needing to bring in a company/new billing system to 'force' people to pay. They could have just intentionally overpaid/not claimed benefits that they were entitled to/donate.

Iwasfrozen

Banjo String wrote: »

Stop looking for any little reason to be outraged at tbh.

I was in Dublin yesterday, from 1pm to 8pm, never seen anyone flying them flags, obviously I didn't get to see every little flag and emblem from the 100k that took part in the protest, so that's not to say someone, somewhere had one.

I find it interesting that you linked to two digital images of the flags, rather than pictures of anyone at the protest carrying one though.

Any links?

Both flags were in the interview video posted a while ago.

Fair enough that most people wouldn't carry them. Most people are decent.

My name is URL

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're flags that have been used by the IRA. Any sane person should avoid them like the plague but these people are consciously choosing to identify themselves with militant republicans.

So because a terrorist organisation once usurped a flag / symbol which otherwise has a longstanding history in the country, nobody else should ever use that flag / symbol again?

Talk about letting the terrorists win :pac:

Should Ulster cease using the Red Hand or St Patrick's Saltire in its flag.. the UVF used them after all. By your own reckoning both should be avoided like the plague.

Happyman42

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

I'm not sure if the Aviva offer the crowd cam feature anymore but I sincerely doubt any of the Irish fans' banners warned the Llanitos to think about there actions by claiming to speak for their collectively deceased mothers. There was a sinister element in the crowd that gathered yesterday, fuelled by misdirected anger and deep-seated unhappiness.

No, I think all you can say is that there where elements at the march who hadn't a whole pile of common sense and taste.

Iwasfrozen

My name is URL wrote: »

So because a terrorist organisation once usurped a flag / symbol which otherwise has a longstanding history in the country, nobody else should ever use that flag / symbol again?

Talk about letting the terrorists win :pac:

Should Ulster cease using the Red Hand or St Patrick's Saltire in its flag.. the UVF used them after all. By your own reckoning both should be avoided like the plague.

It's not a matter of letting terrorists win. They've already failed in every objective they set out to achieve. It's a matter of who you as a group want to be associated with and how you want the general public to view your goals and methods of achieving those goals. Advertising is very important for any movement and republican symbols in any form are marketing poison.

flutered

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

They're flags that have been used by the IRA. Any sane person should avoid them like the plague but these people are consciously choosing to identify themselves with militant republicans.

how can the above post be taken without a pinch of salt, the mentality of it alone is breath talking.

Happyman42

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's not a matter of letting terrorists win. They've already failed in every objective they set out to achieve. It's a matter of who you as a group want to be associated with and how you want the general public to view your goals and methods of achieving those goals. Advertising is very important for any movement and republican symbols in any form are marketing poison.

Terrorists used toilet paper (allegedly). Are we supposed to stop using that too?
Ridiculous nonsense again in fairness Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen

Happyman42 wrote: »

Terrorists used toilet paper (allegedly). Are we supposed to stop using that too?
Ridiculous nonsense again in fairness Iwasfrozen

Unless toilet paper was a symbol of militant republicans (and it might as well have been since their ideology was ****) your logic doesn't carry.

DamagedTrax

Originally Posted by Glock Lesnar
I'm not sure if the Aviva offer the crowd cam feature anymore but I sincerely doubt any of the Irish fans' banners warned the Llanitos to think about there actions by claiming to speak for their collectively deceased mothers. There was a sinister element in the crowd that gathered yesterday, fuelled by misdirected anger and deep-seated unhappiness.

and yet not 1 arrest :eek:

the sinister element must have been having a slow day yesterday.

Conall Cernach

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'd have more sympathy for the protesters if they'd stop waving disgusting flags.

Any decent people who were at the protest want to comment on this?

You're complaining that some people had a Fianna Éireann flag? They're a scouting organisation.

Little CuChulainn

Vinnie L wrote: »

So how much is general taxation going to be reduced by ?

How should I know? Budget is in 2 days.

Vinnie L wrote: »

Could you detail this specialism and expetise for us ? and exactly what the money was spend on ?

The poster asked why consultants where hired instead of idle public sector workers. My point is that different jobs require different qualifications and skills. You can't just swap people around and expect them to do a new job. The government was planning for a new national water infrastrucure. It makes sense to hire people with knowledge that would add to it.

Vinnie L wrote: »

For how long ? Untill enough public money has been plowed into it to make a killing for a private company ?

Don't see that happening. There's certainly nothing to indicate it.

Vinnie L wrote: »

How does putting private meters at the end of the line, and charging us for the treatment of already leaked water, before we even get it, prevent mains leakage exactly ?

The money you pay goes towards repairs. The repairs reduce the leaks which, in turn, reduces the cost of pumping water to your house. Lower costs generally lead to lower prices.

Vinnie L wrote: »

And if this is true why not put all Irish assets, roads, etc. into the hands of companies ?

Companies like Eircom, Bord Gais and ESB? Or do you mean the companies that run the motorways?

cajonlardo wrote: »

Summons the owner of a house for what exactly?

I seriously doubt any clown can legally connect any foolish object their little hearts desire to my home and then have me summons for telling them to drop dead.

If that was true Sky wouldn't need to advertise , nor Eircom nor any other company.

The legislation allows for Irish Water to do it. And the summons would be a civil one for failing to pay a debt. Same as if you did a job for someone and they didn;t pay.

tayto lover wrote: »

Where's the contracts the owners signed?
Since when did the Register of Electors give the names of home-owners?

The legislation allows for Irish Water to do it. No contracts necessary. The legislation also allows for an occupier, not a home owner, to be held responsible so anyone at the home can be billed. You can get that info in a phone book.

wendell borton

It looks like the water charges will be a big election issue. When you see protest parties losing out to anti charges candidates, the future of labour looks bleak.

DamagedTrax

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You can get that info in a phone book.

since im ex-directory i wont be paying. grand so.

cajonlardo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The legislation allows for Irish Water to do it. And the summons would be a civil one for failing to pay a debt. Same as if you did a job for someone and they didn;t pay.

When I provide my services I get a written agreement from my client engaging me to complete a task. This agreement is the contract and if my client fails to pay the bill is pursued by legal means. Now if I waltz up to a persons home and connect a gadget and then start billing them they would rightly tell me to get lost.

Irish Water know this. You know this. Unless that agreement is signed there is no contract. I do believe they can legally reduce pressure. That is grand. Most of us have that part figured out.

dxhound2005

wendell borton wrote: »

It looks like the water charges will be a big election issue. When you see protest parties losing out to anti charges candidates, the future of labour looks bleak.

It won't be for me. I expect to pay nothing or maybe €10 a quarter. I was always careful with water usage.

I would have to examine the economic policies of the parties. There are much bigger financial issues than water charges which could affect me. I won't vote for any candidate who wants to return the full burden for water to general taxation, because I am a PAYE taxpayer. Neither will I vote for anyone who wants to abolish property tax putting that money back into the hands of the rich with their big houses.

My name is URL

News of the protest is one of the top submissions on Reddit right now. Actually higher than the story about the nurse with Ebola in Texas :pac:

http://www.reddit.com/